Fire Ken Holland: 2022-2023 edition

[SwedishFire]

I’d like to see him be a little more proactive trying to upgrade on Pulju and Yammi. It’s quite clear those guys have plateaued and in the case of Yammi, can’t produce despite playing with star players.

It’s pretty simple as far as dissecting the team - we’re set down the middle (McD, Drai, McLeod/Nuge), and our top prospects are all wingers (Holloway, Borgault, Schaefer) which will be areas of need moving forward, this draft is stacked but the only positional need for the pipeline is D and that will be 2-3 years to develop, so why not tag a 1st or 2nd to Pulju or Yammi and see what’s out there for rentals/upgrades? I’m tired of watching plays die on these guy’s sticks.

Yama cant produce in top 6 here. Try him at 3rd line as a defensive player. He should redo himself as a player.
Puljujärvi is the better overall toolkit,but he doesnt just have that personality to him to be a powerforward. Having a hard time to hit the puck.
Fogele is Ok. But the least talent.
I would try to dangle Yamamoto and Puljujärvi firstly. The risk is that yamamoto cant be a defensive player, then he is just what he is.

Nuge McDavid Hyman
Kane Leon new player
Fogele MacLeod Holloway
Järnmark Ryan Kostin

Saving around 3-4 m$ in cap.

Nurse Ceci
Kulak Bouchard
new player Barrie
Neimilainen could fill in there instead, if it takes two trades for picks >> package the picks for one good right winger to Leon
Pulju for a 2nd 2023 and Yamamoto for 2nd rounder 2024.
2nd roundwr 2023 and 22nd rounder 2023 for some RW that could be a tad overpriced now with cap gone (has to be a good player, and all NHL players are to high paid.)

5 million RW somewhere in the league you could catch?

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I am going to wait a bit, but yeah, our bottom 6, not great D overall, and who knows about the goaltending, will be our downfall.

They have to build a team, that when they erase McDavid off of the whiteboard, they still say "You know what, we could sneak into the bottom few spots of the playoffs".

THAT is when we will be a contender.

Give me a MotherF*****g productive third line. That is all I ask. Get a top 4 D.

Stop hoarding 1st round picks FFS. I make fun of him, but at least TO had the "Go for it" mentality. They already traded 4. We can't seem to let even one of them go while wasting two of the greatest players year after year

Yeah, I am sure those 1st rounders will all pan out and bring us to the promised land once McDrai retire or are a shell of themselves on our 2nd line. Woo hoo


Broberg is a bust man. Just forget about him. He can't stay healthy. made of glass. Absolutely atrocious draft pick.

I'm actually of the belief that a well run org with great scouting should use every high draft pick and always pick BPA even if you're a contender. You can get prospects for higher than slot value and then trade those prospects for a bigger haul. For instance, Bourgault would probably go ~15th overall in a redraft which is higher than the 22nd overall pick we originally selected him with and would fetch more in a trade than a late 1st. The problem is the Oilers have not proven themselves to be a well run org with great scouting and certainly have not cashed in on any of these prospects for a good top 4 D.

 

[Beerfish]

His biggest issue has been signing so so players for too much money for too long of term.

He did it with Kassian he did it with foegle and he did it with kulak, did it with puli, did it with yamo.

The reason this team wins is the same reason it was before he came on board, due to mcdavid and draisital, that is it. Those guys do not walk away from a game with 3 or 4 points we lose.

 

[CycloneSweep]

The only real failure he has made, well there is two.

We had an average at best defence to end the year last year and it needed to be upgraded. We lost our 3/4 best defender and didn’t replace or improve on that spot.

Also it’s early but Campbell is looking like a massive mistake and our goaltending so far looks like a wash at best unless Skinner becomes Smith good for the whole year. We were hoping Campbell would at least be consistent without the highs and lows of Smith and so far he is just consistently low.

This team on paper is worse than it was last year and for a team trying to win a cup, that’s a terrible sign.

To his defence they banked a metric ton on Broberg and Holloway and Holloway looks decent but he definitely isn’t fully ready. Broberg is no where close to ready and can’t even stay healthy. Yamamoto and Pulju have both taken large steps back. At least Foegele looks like a player but still no offence.

The defence is the biggest issue and that needs to be addressed before Christmas, not the deadline.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

Honestly I'm not gushing over any of these guys.

For the amount of draft capital the Oilers have had the last 10 years, they should have a lot better of roster depth and impact players than what they have. None of these guys really makes a big difference in actual winning or losing hockey games.

Even Holloway ... is he another Yamamoto tier player? Maybe McLeod tier in a year or two?

Mcleod is going to be pretty good.
I think making any, and I mean any negative pronouncements about what Holloway is or isnt going to be at this juncture is frankly idiotic (& I dont mean you on that btw). Its just far, far too early. Particularly with how his pro career has started with the injuries and all.

 

[CycloneSweep]

His biggest issue has been signing so so players for too much money for too long of term.

He did it with Kassian he did it with foegle and he did it with kulak, did it with puli, did it with yamo.

The reason this team wins is the same reason it was before he came on board, due to mcdavid and draisital, that is it. Those guys do not walk away from a game with 3 or 4 points we lose.

At least we have Hyman and Nuge looking like improved versions of themselves from last year. This year could be a great opportunity to push but there is some very key moves Holland needs to make here relatively fast.

 

[Soundwave]

Mcleod is going to be pretty good.
I think making any, and I mean any negative pronouncements about what Holloway is or isnt going to be at this juncture is frankly idiotic (& I dont mean you on that btw). Its just far, far too early. Particularly with how his pro career has started with the injuries and all.

Every team has a McLeod type prospect/player in their pool, there's nothing that special about that.

The fact of the matter is the Oilers overall draft pool outside of like the top 8 picks they were gifted for bombing seasons as a whole bring almost dick all to the table on many, many nights here.

I guess we're gonna have to wait now 4 years to see if like Reid Schafer is any better than Jesse Puljujarvi who's no better than Magnus Paajarvi years before him and on and on and on. At some point, you gotta start trading these picks for tangiable players who actually help McDavid and Draisaitl.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Honestly I'm not gushing over any of these guys.

For the amount of draft capital the Oilers have had the last 10 years, they should have a lot better of roster depth and impact players than what they have. None of these guys really makes a big difference in actual winning or losing hockey games.

Even Holloway ... is he another Yamamoto tier player? Maybe McLeod tier in a year or two?

The issue with all our prospects is it seems like they simply can’t make the jump to the NHL and keep progressing. So many prospects look great in junior and the AHL and the moment they hit the NHL they are no longer good prospects. So many first round picks are busting for us and we simply don’t land on any guys outside of the first.

We hit on Marino and we lost him. McLeod looks like he will be a good bottom 6 contributer. And that’s it in the last decade.
Skinner looks like he will at worst be a Brossoit level goalie.

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

Its amazing to me that so many of the geniuses who were gushing over Holloway are calling Broberg a bust, when they were drafted all of one year apart. When its almost universally acknowledged that D-men generally take alot, and I mean alot , longer to develop.

How do you develop when you are made of glass and constantly injured?

 

[CycloneSweep]

How do you develop when you are made of glass and constantly injured?

Super hyped, played a few pre season games and looked like a completely different player whose skating sucks. Missed the start of the AHL season. Played one game and had missed the last 3. Klefbom 2.0 but without being good in the nhl first.

He is the defender version of Tyler Benson

 

[GOilers88]

Should have just used the old thread. It's just gonna be the same posters posting the same thing another 1000 times anyways. Also slightly amusing as OP made a big deal about no longer supporting the team if they brought in Evander Kane.

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

Super hyped, played a few pre season games and looked like a completely different player whose skating sucks. Missed the start of the AHL season. Played one game and had missed the last 3. Klefbom 2.0 but without being good in the nhl first.

He is the defender version of Tyler Benson

lol basically this

 

[JustNapalmIt]

n/m

 

[TheNumber4]

Alternative universe Holland / Hindsight 20/20 Oilers 22/23:

Don’t sign Campbell (Save 5M)
Don’t sign Janmark (Save 1.25M)
Trade Puljujaarvi for a 3rd Rd Pick (Save 3M)
Trade Foegele+2nd for Ghostisbere@50% retained (Save 500K)
Sign Comrie - 2Mx2yrs
Sign Kubalik - 2.75Mx2Yrs
Sign Kessel - 2Mx1Yr
Net Cap Difference = Save 3M which then allows us to Run a Full 23 man Roster.

Kane-McD-Kubalik
Hyman-Drai-Yamo
Holloway-Nuge-Kessel
Shore-Mcleod-Ryan

Nurse-Ceci
Ghostisbere-Bouchard
Kulak-Barrie
Murray

Comrie
Skinner

What this does for us: Gives McD a pure sniper to work with finally, improves bottom 6 scoring depth, gets rid of our 2 worst players in the playoffs in Foegele and Pool, let’s us run a Value goalie tandem that can still get the job done, pushes Kulak to the 3rd pair and upgrades our D’s mobility and puck moving to compete with the Avs. Gives us 3M cap space to work with at the trade deadline so we can further improve the team after assessing what we need during the season.

 

[TheNumber4]

Foegele needs to go retire. I called for Duncan Keiths retirement as the first round against LA started and thankfully that plug did retire!

Also trade these ex maple leafs already we need GRIT and players who want to contribute to a winning team and Holland has failed ever since he got in to do so. Campbell is a LOLcow at this point and buying him out is a great idea.

Poolparty should have been traded for Chychrun in a package deal at least 2 years ago when he was being a whiny bitch. Yamamoto talked shit at the draft like hes a big deal only to start sucking when he got a contract. Also trade Nurse already he is not worth that contract at all. Fire Holland. Hire me.


Improve on Derek Ryan too hes a plug that cant do anything with the time hes given and this is almost perfect! Kessel would be great on the second line since Yamo needs time to develop (like at least 7 more years should do it) and we need to get rid of Barrie and falling-down-Kulak already as well.

I would have before the season started. He struggled in in the playoffs as well. He did recently score 2 goals though. The good thing with this plan is that it’s a net savings of 3M so if we find an upgrade on Ryan or elsewhere in the line up, we can afford to do something about it.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Every team has a McLeod type prospect/player in their pool, there's nothing that special about that.

The fact of the matter is the Oilers overall draft pool outside of like the top 8 picks they were gifted for bombing seasons as a whole bring almost dick all to the table on many, many nights here.

I guess we're gonna have to wait now 4 years to see if like Reid Schafer is any better than Jesse Puljujarvi who's no better than Magnus Paajarvi years before him and on and on and on. At some point, you gotta start trading these picks for tangiable players who actually help McDavid and Draisaitl.

Puljujarvi wasn't a "reach" pick...he's a massive disappointment in terms of production and you could argue they should trade him...but then people would be saying to fire Holland because they'll get very little for him

Yamamoto scored 20 goals last season...not sure what you're expecting for a complimentary player drafted at #22....tough start to this year sure, but it's 12 games...trading him when his value is lowest doesn't accomplish much

Bouchard is a gem...full stop

FAR too early to write off Broberg...he had better stats in the AHL then Klefbom did last year...yes, needs to play but the Conders have only played 9 games

Holloway looks like a good player, needs more playing time IMO...that or send him down to the AHL to play monster minutes

not sure what you're expecting

 

[Soundwave]

Puljujarvi wasn't a "reach" pick...he's a massive disappointment in terms of production and you could argue they should trade him...but then people would be saying to fire Holland because they'll get very little for him

Yamamoto scored 20 goals last season...not sure what you're expecting for a complimentary player drafted at #22....tough start to this year sure, but it's 12 games...trading him when his value is lowest doesn't accomplish much

Bouchard is a gem...full stop

FAR too early to write off Broberg...he had better stats in the AHL then Klefbom did last year...yes, needs to play but the Conders have only played 9 games

Holloway looks like a good player, needs more playing time IMO...that or send him down to the AHL to play monster minutes

not sure what you're expecting

I expect more players that make a difference in winning and losing actual NHL games, the bottom line is the Oilers draft picks dont do dick all for far too many nights and a guy like Broberg can’t even make a weak blue line.

Our drafting has been nowhere close to good enough.

 

[Oilslick941611]

oh my god. you people need professional help

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Hahahaha here we go!

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

I'm shocked!
We lost 2 in a row so wny is the GM not fired yet.
Should probably fire the entire coaching staff too. Okay, at least 1 after every loss. It will show accountability & will help to motivate them to be better.
The assistant equipment manager is obviously on thin ice as well since 1 of our players fell down due to, what I have to assume was, a bad skate sharpening job.
I'm also sure we can do better than that back-up zamboni driver or "Mr. not straight" as he's known around my house.
I hate to be picky but the anthem singer just didn't bring it & wasn't ready to perform from the start which, in turn, trickles down to the players bench. There, at least I have the guts to tell it like it is.

Hey, I'm not saying everybody should be fired for no reason. Saturday night was totally ruined for me so somebody has to be held accountable. If we don't act now we might lose another game this year & then my friend will text me to rub it in so time is of the essence to prevent this unfathomable tragedy.

Thanks for listening,

Richard & Karen Acouplekarens

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Already had to ignore a few bots in this thread already including this thing here

you conveniently made a profile today just to shit on Holland and Foegele...hmmmm

#troll

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I expect more players that make a difference in winning and losing actual NHL games, the bottom line is the Oilers draft picks dont do dick all for far too many nights and a guy like Broberg can’t even make a weak blue line.

Our drafting has been nowhere close to good enough.

our drafting has been much better than ever before...we are not drafting David Musils and Mitch Moroz's anymore

it's your expectations that are out of whack...impact players are rarely found outside the top 5

 

[Soundwave]

our drafting has been much better than ever before...we are not drafting David Musils and Mitch Moroz's anymore

it's your expectations that are out of whack...impact players are rarely found outside the top 5

Thats a very low bar. If this team has shown itself of drafting big impact players, picks should be traded for players who do actually contribute.

 

[Mr Kot]

Already had to ignore a few bots in this thread already including this thing here

Go back to Calgary puck

 

[CycloneSweep]

Alternative universe Holland / Hindsight 20/20 Oilers 22/23:

Don’t sign Campbell (Save 5M)
Don’t sign Janmark (Save 1.25M)
Trade Puljujaarvi for a 3rd Rd Pick (Save 3M)
Trade Foegele+2nd for Ghostisbere@50% retained (Save 500K)
Sign Comrie - 2Mx2yrs
Sign Kubalik - 2.75Mx2Yrs
Sign Kessel - 2Mx1Yr
Net Cap Difference = Save 3M which then allows us to Run a Full 23 man Roster.

Kane-McD-Kubalik
Hyman-Drai-Yamo
Holloway-Nuge-Kessel
Shore-Mcleod-Ryan

Nurse-Ceci
Ghostisbere-Bouchard
Kulak-Barrie
Murray

Comrie
Skinner

What this does for us: Gives McD a pure sniper to work with finally, improves bottom 6 scoring depth, gets rid of our 2 worst players in the playoffs in Foegele and Pool, let’s us run a Value goalie tandem that can still get the job done, pushes Kulak to the 3rd pair and upgrades our D’s mobility and puck moving to compete with the Avs. Gives us 3M cap space to work with at the trade deadline so we can further improve the team after assessing what we need during the season.

LOL most of that is okay except Ghostbear. Why are we trading for a 4th forward on defence? Guy can’t defend minor league guys let alone NHLers.