Fire Ken Holland: 2022-2023 edition

[LTIR]

I rather push in all the chips with prime McDrai and fail, then hoard picks/assets and watch us never get that close.

Just my opinion, obviously jury still out and Holland style may win out, but I have been of the mindset that we should have been and should be more aggressive in adding talent during the McDrai period.

I never let the tough times affect my thinking of Holland and I dont let this win-streak affect it either. I think hes a middling to good GM, whos often too patient. We will see how it turns out

McDrai period could be another decade with Oilers.

 

[LTIR]

Still here. Holland is still a shit GM. A team with prime McDavid and prime Draisaitl is 4 points up on 9th and Colorado has 3 games in hand.

This is a team that should be challenging for best in the league. Not fighting for their playoff lives.

Our core is intact and younger ones are improving.. what do you think Holland should have done?
Barrie, Nuge, Hyman and Kane signings are unexpectedly planning out. Campbell seems like a bust but time will tell... I was bashing Hyman this time last season too.

 

[SwedishFire]

Still here. Holland is still a shit GM. A team with prime McDavid and prime Draisaitl is 4 points up on 9th and Colorado has 3 games in hand.

This is a team that should be challenging for best in the league. Not fighting for their playoff lives.

Its also on the players. How good are the fprwards at defence? How much do they help out?

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

If we hadnt bridged Nurse its unlikely we could have signed Kane last year.
This is a fun game.

Nope, Nurse at 6.5 million+1 million dollar 4th line replacement for Kassian is actually less money than Nurse at 5.5 million+3.2 million for Kassian. The concept of math seems to elude many a Ken Holland fan.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

Nope, Nurse at 6.5 million+1 million dollar 4th line replacement for Kassian is actually less money than Nurse at 5.5 million+3.2 million for Kassian. The concept of math seems to elude many a Ken Holland fan.

You have zero idea what they would have bridged at. Or signed Kassians replacement.
The concept of logical thinking gets in the way of those who rage no matter what. Carry on. One of these days youll be correct about something (maybe).

Still here. Holland is still a shit GM. A team with prime McDavid and prime Draisaitl is 4 points up on 9th and Colorado has 3 games in hand.

This is a team that should be challenging for best in the league. Not fighting for their playoff lives.

Geez. And here I always thought it was the coaches fault. At least thats what the smart guys have always said.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Still here. Holland is still a shit GM. A team with prime McDavid and prime Draisaitl is 4 points up on 9th and Colorado has 3 games in hand.

This is a team that should be challenging for best in the league. Not fighting for their playoff lives.

They are also 4 points behind first in the division with a game in hand.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

They are also 4 points behind first in the division with a game in hand.

Games in hand only matter if you win them. They still have to leapfrog three teams.

Holland still blows. I noticed the toxic positivity crew was nowhere to be found a few weeks ago when they weren’t even in a playoff spot.

 

[Harry Curry]

I noticed the toxic positivity crew was nowhere to be found a few weeks ago when they weren’t even in a playoff spot

So I did my own research *cough* typed toxic positivity into google *cough*

Toxic positivity takes positive thinking to an extreme by not only putting optimism on a pedestal, but also, by denying human emotion. It can become a form of shaming as it sends a signal that our feelings are wrong. It can also cause guilt that somehow we are "broken" and need to "fix" how we are feeling.

Who hurt you Keith?

The Oilers are a hockey team. It's just a form of entertainment. Nothing that serious. What is with this psychobabble gobbledygook? If you feel shame because people call out your relentless negativity about the Oilers on a forum for Oilers fans ... maybe post fewer negative things about the Oilers?

The Oilers are on a six-game winning streak. Tied for the longest active winning streak in the league with the best team in the league and the reigning Stanley Cup champion. That's a pretty great position to be in. Nothing extreme about that.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

Games in hand only matter if you win them. They still have to leapfrog three teams.

Holland still blows. I noticed the toxic positivity crew was nowhere to be found a few weeks ago when they weren’t even in a playoff spot.

Oh, they were here. But nice try.
Its the little kids that hide when things are not going their way & the Oilers are performing.. You of all people e know that.
It really is aggravating to some that the GM didn't trade guys like Holloway, Bouchard, Broberg and signed Nuge, Kane, Janmark, Kulak,, Hyman, Ceci Barrie ...etc..

 

[McShogun99]

If we had Holland as GM instead of Chia in 2015 we probably would have won a cup by now. It's like some people forgot how aggressive Chia was with trading to get better fast. Holland took over a non playoff team and got them in every year he's been here.

I think his plan when he took over was to build a solid foundation with the team along with some quality prospects before he starts going all in. We'll see rentals being added closer to the trade deadline this year.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

McDrai period could be another decade with Oilers.

It could also end in a few years depending on success. I wouldnt take it for granted.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Games in hand only matter if you win them. They still have to leapfrog three teams.

Holland still blows. I noticed the toxic positivity crew was nowhere to be found a few weeks ago when they weren’t even in a playoff spot.

And I noticed you are no where to be found when the Oilers are winning.

Hilarious that you say that.

I said games in hand because he brought up games in hand.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

And I noticed you are no where to be found when the Oilers are winning.

Hilarious that you say that.


And I noticed you are no where to be found where the Oilers are winning.

Hilarious that you say that.

I said games in hand because he said games in hand by the way.

Both sides of the spectrum are extremely annoying. The Holland doomers every time there is a slide and the positivity police in every thread after a winning streak. Reality is almost always some where in the middle.

If it was a spectrum I'd prob be slightly leaning towards that McDrai covers up a lot of the major blunders/non moves, while also acknowledging that Holland is pretty good at winning around the edges

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Both sides of the spectrum are extremely annoying. The Holland doomers every time there is a slide and the positivity police in every thread after a winning streak. Reality is almost always some where in the middle.

If it was a spectrum I'd prob be slightly leaning towards that McDrai covers up a lot of the major blunders/non moves, while also acknowledging that Holland is pretty good at winning around the edges

lol you would quote the post when it looks like a monkey humping a football.

Anyways yah I agree it definitely goes both ways.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

So I did my own research *cough* typed toxic positivity into google *cough*



Who hurt you Keith?

The Oilers are a hockey team. It's just a form of entertainment. Nothing that serious. What is with this psychobabble gobbledygook? If you feel shame because people call out your relentless negativity about the Oilers on a forum for Oilers fans ... maybe post fewer negative things about the Oilers?

The Oilers are on a six-game winning streak. Tied for the longest active winning streak in the league with the best team in the league and the reigning Stanley Cup champion. That's a pretty great position to be in. Nothing extreme about that.

If you think toxic positivity doesn’t exist with this fanbase I’m not sure you are watching closely enough. It’s great that they’re winning, hope they keep it up because they need every point they can get. Hopefully this is the end of their maddening inconsistency and that Jack Campbell has finally turned a corner because it was barely a month ago where that contract was among the worst in the league.

Here’s hoping they don’t look past their opponent tonight.

 

[Harry Curry]

If you think toxic positivity doesn’t exist with this fanbase I’m not sure you are watching closely enough.

I think toxic positivity is a ridiculous concept.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I think toxic positivity is a ridiculous concept.

How so? You don’t think shouting down any and all negative comments isn’t toxic? And then acting smug when things finally start to go right for the team? It’s just the other side of the toxic negativity coin. Not everything about the Oilers is substandard but I think believing that everything about the team is amazing is ridiculous.

 

[Harry Curry]

How so? You don’t think shouting down any and all negative comments isn’t toxic?

I think your posts are toxic. Your hyperbole is ridiculous.

No poster here is 100% positive all the time.

If someone is negative 95% of the time in their comments they are the problem.

 

[GOilers88]

Still here. Holland is still a shit GM. A team with prime McDavid and prime Draisaitl is 4 points up on 9th and Colorado has 3 games in hand.

This is a team that should be challenging for best in the league. Not fighting for their playoff lives.

I don't disagree in theory. But time and again the best in the league, or President's trophy winners don't win it all.

Personally I don't care if they finish 1st or grab a wildcard. So long as they make the playoffs (which they will again). I think it's better to not sleepwalk through the season then have to turn it on come playoff time. I'd rather see the boys fighting hard right to the end and walk it right into the playoffs. I think some people put too much emphasis on where they land in the regular season.

Games in hand only matter if you win them. They still have to leapfrog three teams.

Holland still blows. I noticed the toxic positivity crew was nowhere to be found a few weeks ago when they weren’t even in a playoff spot.

Because talking about playoff spots before the allstar break is pointless. People who do the "we're in! We're out!" thing with half a season to go don't warrant reasonable responses, imo.

 

[GOilers88]

If you think toxic positivity doesn’t exist with this fanbase I’m not sure you are watching closely enough. It’s great that they’re winning, hope they keep it up because they need every point they can get. Hopefully this is the end of their maddening inconsistency and that Jack Campbell has finally turned a corner because it was barely a month ago where that contract was among the worst in the league.

Here’s hoping they don’t look past their opponent tonight.

This is also why grading contracts while only having played 1/4 or half of a single season is another pointless and useless exercise. A contract doesn't become worst in the league because a player is struggling for a small portion of it. Just like it doesn't become a steal if the player plays well for a small portion.

You need to see a large chunk of the contract play out before anyone can reasonably assess or grade it. But we all know that's not how the majority of HF operates.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I don't disagree in theory. But time and again the best in the league, or President's trophy winners don't win it all.

Personally I don't care if they finish 1st or grab a wildcard. So long as they make the playoffs (which they will again). I think it's better to not sleepwalk through the season then have to turn it on come playoff time. I'd rather see the boys fighting hard right to the end and walk it right into the playoffs. I think some people put too much emphasis on where they land in the regular season.

The issue isn't so much the exact spot in the standings. Personally I'd actually rather finish 2nd/3rd in the division than 1st b/c I'd much rather deal with a team like Vegas/Seattle/Calgary/LA than the impending threat of wildcard seed Colorado with all their players coming back from injury right before playoffs. The issue is the team isn't playing up to standard against strong teams for the most part and once you're 1 or 2 rounds in the playoffs you'll almost certainly be up against powerhouse teams barring some Cinderella run carried by an opposing goalie.

The fact that for the first 3 months of the season the fanbase was copiuming about the easy January to February stretch of games is alarming in and of itself. The copium ended up working out with teams like the Ducks and Sharks spotting us some free wins, but a contender shouldn't need it in the first place. If you're truly a great team you're the reason that opposing team's schedules are hard, you shouldn't be the one circling the Anaheims/SJs/Arizonas/Chicagos on the clendar.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

How so? You don’t think shouting down any and all negative comments isn’t toxic? And then acting smug when things finally start to go right for the team? It’s just the other side of the toxic negativity coin. Not everything about the Oilers is substandard but I think believing that everything about the team is amazing is ridiculous.

It’s telling that you disappear when the Oilers play well. It was nice you showed yourself out during the playoffs last year though. I’m glad for your poor sake that you didn’t have to deal with all those positive vibes bringing you down.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It’s telling that you disappear when the Oilers play well. It was nice you showed yourself out during the playoffs last year though. I’m glad for your poor sake that you didn’t have to deal with all those positive vibes bringing you down.

Yeah I got a lengthy ban at that time.

This is also why grading contracts while only having played 1/4 or half of a single season is another pointless and useless exercise. A contract doesn't become worst in the league because a player is struggling for a small portion of it. Just like it doesn't become a steal if the player plays well for a small portion.

You need to see a large chunk of the contract play out before anyone can reasonably assess or grade it. But we all know that's not how the majority of HF operates.

By that same measure one winning streak doesn’t redeem Hollands body of work. If the team has another lengthy playoff run then we will reevaluate.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

I think your posts are toxic. Your hyperbole is ridiculous.

No poster here is 100% positive all the time.

If someone is negative 95% of the time in their comments they are the problem.

As someone who considers himself in the middle - there is def toxic positivity to go together with the negativity.

 

[Homesick]

Go browse through the Lightenings PGT after the Oilers game. Everyone was pissed at players, coaches, management. Hockey fans are just never happy except those few weeks after a team wins the cup