Fire Ken Holland: 2022-2023 edition

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

When you can't succeed with the best player on the planet, you're a failure. Get out and take the entire front office with you.

 

[McDrai]

When you can't succeed with the best player on the planet, you're a failure. Get out and take the entire front office with you.

But he hasn’t had the chance to make some desperation trades that really screw us over for years to come. Then and only then can we fire him.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

But he hasn’t had the chance to make some desperation trades that really screw us over for years to come. Then and only then can we fire him.

The Nurse and Campbell contracts alone are franchise cripplers.

 

[Louis Cypher]

I'm curious where all the people who were pining for a GM like Florida's went? They are doing worse than us.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I'm curious where all the people who were pining for a GM like Florida's went? They are doing worse than us.

Hes posting right above you.

 

[Paralyzer008]

I'm curious where all the people who were pining for a GM like Florida's went? They are doing worse than us.

I mean they have two less points than the Oilers and are missing Connor McDavid.

I hated the move Zito made to get Chiarot, which is the exact move rumored around here to get Edmundson.

The big Florida issue they can't get around is they're stuck with that awful albatross Bobrovsky deal that Dale Tallon signed, which is what any future Oilers GM would have to deal with to work with the albatross Nurse and Campbell deals.

Considering Florida went from a bum team to a high-octane team with an identity, it's not the worst management around. I dislike what they did with their D, and the Bob deal is the Achilles heel. The Oilers though considering they have the best player in the world, and another Hart nominee to boot, should not be plain "mid" and being a "mid" team puts Holland way down the list of GMs for me.

I want to see what Gretzky can do or Staios or Brad Holland who seems much more in tune with the now than his dad, get a crack at it. Maybe all three are being held back by the guy who took Broberg over Zegras, Caufield, and Boldy. It's possible.

 

[Spawn]

Wish we could see this for every team easily

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How could this man have any defenders left?

They’re waiting for someone else’s brother to be available.

So many on this forum tried to defend signing Brad Holland to be the assistant GM in the summer as something other than blind nepotism. As if he was some sort of guru at pro scouting rather than a guy whose biggest claim to success prior to joining the Oilers was booking hotels for the Maple Leafs.

 

[SwedishFire]

This moron was set to retire on his golden red wings embossed parachute, but then Katz like a moron and in fine Oilers tradition, swoops in to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and offers this befuddled idiot $5 million a year. For this. As usual, bush league display from a bush league run organization.

Every little contract can blow up in the face in a cap world. Holland has signed a lot of good contracts. The only without food value are probably 5 million Campbell, and Yamamoto, still only at 3.1. A defender at Barries caliber is 4 millions. The problem with Barrie is if he doesnt produce, he doesnt hold any value.
Skinner saves Hollands as a bit, but defender construction is the achilles heal. Holland probably wants playing and skating Ds, bot heavy and physichal. He is the yang of Brian Burkes ying, they would end up being perfect together.

Ceci is the only towering defensive D in oilers. Thrn there is the three offensive musceteers that needs backup home, from Kulak. They need one more defensive D with good positioning. I wish Jonas Brodin could be avaliable.

But aim at Gavrikov, if you have no other options - Edmundson could cover up Bouchard on 3rd pair, or if you can ofC Erik Karlsson he is a world class player- and have to kick out Barrie, our maybe Ceci to have caproom.

In all, maybe Edmundson would come cheapest, at a 2nd rounder. Holland needs just - one - more - defender. Thats it!

The fans already has their opinoin set.
Nost yes to Gavrikiv, 2nd seems to be Chuchryn, 3rd seems to be E Karlsson if possible, 4th Edmundson, and absolutly No to Klingberg.

3 of them above are more of what Oilers already has. Offensive defensmen with weak defence..

In my world, roll with 7 strobg D in this defensive needed NHL.
Nurse - New cover up D
Kulak - Barrie
Broberg - Ceci
Bouchard

And 11 forwards
Kane McD Hyman
Fogele MacLeod Draisaitl
Järnmark Nuge Yamamoto
Holloway Ryan

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I mean they have two less points than the Oilers and are missing Connor McDavid.

I hated the move Zito made to get Chiarot, which is the exact move rumored around here to get Edmundson.

The big Florida issue they can't get around is they're stuck with that awful albatross Bobrovsky deal that Dale Tallon signed, which is what any future Oilers GM would have to deal with to work with the albatross Nurse and Campbell deals.

Considering Florida went from a bum team to a high-octane team with an identity, it's not the worst management around. I dislike what they did with their D, and the Bob deal is the Achilles heel. The Oilers though considering they have the best player in the world, and another Hart nominee to boot, should not be plain "mid" and being a "mid" team puts Holland way down the list of GMs for me.

I want to see what Gretzky can do or Staios or Brad Holland who seems much more in tune with the now than his dad, get a crack at it. Maybe all three are being held back by the guy who took Broberg over Zegras, Caufield, and Boldy. It's possible.

I was going to say, the worst mistakes Florida has made have been Hockey Man mistakes. Valuing the wrong things like the Staunch Defender Ben Chiarot trade and overvaluing Matt Tkachuk/undervaluing Weegar.

Considering how many people on here still say that Ken Holland has been somewhat hamstrung by Pete Chiarelli's deals and contracts, I'm surprised the same courtesy isn't extended to Bill Zito, who inherited arguably the worst contract in the NHL.

 

[Soundwave]

I was going to say, the worst mistakes Florida has made have been Hockey Man mistakes. Valuing the wrong things like the Staunch Defender Ben Chiarot trade and overvaluing Matt Tkachuk/undervaluing Weegar.

Considering how many people on here still say that Ken Holland has been somewhat hamstrung by Pete Chiarelli's deals and contracts, I'm surprised the same courtesy isn't extended to Bill Zito, who inherited arguably the worst contract in the NHL.

Zito would still be probably a heavy upgrade on Holland. He was right on the money about Tkachuk, dude is a franchise winger and Huberdeau and Weegar are badly overrated and would've crippled Florida had they signed them to big money extensions as they're comign into their 30s. That trade will pay dividends for Florida in the long term.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I'm curious where all the people who were pining for a GM like Florida's went? They are doing worse than us.

Right here. He built a better defense and forward depth than the Oilers with largely waivers pickups, reclamation contracts, and late round draft picks, despite inheriting the Bobrovsky albatross which is much worse than the Lucic contract ever was, and didn't get to start off with a McDavid, closest is their Draisaitl in Barkov. Oh also conned a team into giving him Matt Tkachuk for Jonathan Huberdeau and Mackenzie Weegar lmfao.

 

[Stoneman89]

Every little contract can blow up in the face in a cap world. Holland has signed a lot of good contracts. The only without food value are probably 5 million Campbell, and Yamamoto, still only at 3.1. A defender at Barries caliber is 4 millions. The problem with Barrie is if he doesnt produce, he doesnt hold any value.
Skinner saves Hollands as a bit, but defender construction is the achilles heal. Holland probably wants playing and skating Ds, bot heavy and physichal. He is the yang of Brian Burkes ying, they would end up being perfect together.

Ceci is the only towering defensive D in oilers. Thrn there is the three offensive musceteers that needs backup home, from Kulak. They need one more defensive D with good positioning. I wish Jonas Brodin could be avaliable.

But aim at Gavrikov, if you have no other options - Edmundson could cover up Bouchard on 3rd pair, or if you can ofC Erik Karlsson he is a world class player- and have to kick out Barrie, our maybe Ceci to have caproom.

In all, maybe Edmundson would come cheapest, at a 2nd rounder. Holland needs just - one - more - defender. Thats it!

The fans already has their opinoin set.
Nost yes to Gavrikiv, 2nd seems to be Chuchryn, 3rd seems to be E Karlsson if possible, 4th Edmundson, and absolutly No to Klingberg.

3 of them above are more of what Oilers already has. Offensive defensmen with weak defence..

In my world, roll with 7 strobg D in this defensive needed NHL.
Nurse - New cover up D
Kulak - Barrie
Broberg - Ceci
Bouchard

And 11 forwards
Kane McD Hyman
Fogele MacLeod Draisaitl
Järnmark Nuge Yamamoto
Holloway Ryan

"Ceci is the only towering defensive D in oilers."

Ceci has completely gone into the tank this year. The top pairing minutes have caught up to him and there's no going back.

 

[SwedishFire]

"Ceci is the only towering defensive D in oilers."

Ceci has completely gone into the tank this year. The top pairing minutes have caught up to him and there's no going back.

Im curious about a Broberg - Ceci pairing. I might think that could work.

But Ceci is looking to be the piece coming back in a trade.

But Im leaning towards a 7D lineup. I think thats the killermove. Why have 4 lines, when 7Ds strikes harder.

 

[Rengorlex]

fire this f***ing moron. goes to year 8 of mcdavid with an AHL defence. f***ing Pejorative Slur

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

That Nurse contract continues to age like cheese in the sun.

Please fire him and everyone around him. Leave no stone unscorched.

 

[BlackDogg]

Bedard trending in Oilers country

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Bedard trending in Oilers country

This will be the one year Holland trades a 1st and it will be an unprotected pick for Joel Edmundson.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I mean they have two less points than the Oilers and are missing Connor McDavid.

I hated the move Zito made to get Chiarot, which is the exact move rumored around here to get Edmundson.

The big Florida issue they can't get around is they're stuck with that awful albatross Bobrovsky deal that Dale Tallon signed, which is what any future Oilers GM would have to deal with to work with the albatross Nurse and Campbell deals.

Considering Florida went from a bum team to a high-octane team with an identity, it's not the worst management around. I dislike what they did with their D, and the Bob deal is the Achilles heel. The Oilers though considering they have the best player in the world, and another Hart nominee to boot, should not be plain "mid" and being a "mid" team puts Holland way down the list of GMs for me.

I want to see what Gretzky can do or Staios or Brad Holland who seems much more in tune with the now than his dad, get a crack at it. Maybe all three are being held back by the guy who took Broberg over Zegras, Caufield, and Boldy. It's possible.

Chiarot had the same number of playoff points as Weegar. The vaunted Florida PP went 1 for 31 in the playoffs. They were completely shutdown by a veteran Cup team that has elite goaltending and strong shutdown defending and a team committed to goal suppression. The Tampa Cup winning gm architect now in Detroit made Chiarot a day one free agent signing.

If you watch playoff hockey and conclude Chiarot was the difference in a Florida offensive team and Tampa Bay's ability to defend and goal suppression, I think you are misplaced with your critique.

A sputtering Oilers team described as up and down like a toilet seat has had one consistency, a complete inability and unwillingness to defend and focus on the goal suppression that defines great teams. Long marathon playoff series demand heavy, hard and fierce defending. Colorado evolved their defense with Manson and a healthy Johnson to move to next level competition. It closed out the Cup final being able to shut the door and defending.

Zito's epic mistake was betting all his chips on one playoff run with UFA's. The Oilers will ride the toilet seat until it invests to improve a well before deep playoff quality defense corp and a mindset throughout that it can outscore their problem area. See Florida Panthers playoff 2021-22 for case study.

 

[Stoneman89]

If any firsts get traded, they should be 2024 firsts, not this upcoming one with the apparent amount of talent available from all reports. Besides, the way we're playing this year, the first we give up could be a mid rounder.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

We have yet to see a big splash type of a trade that could take us over the top. Chychrun might be that player yet we are apparently allergic to the idea. The way that our salary structure is we cannot add a guy that makes $6 million or more at full cap. Chychrun is at a very reasonable cap hit for what he brings to the table. Holland needs to make a move to improve our defense and PK or this team is going nowhere.

 

[Soundwave]

We have yet to see a big splash type of a trade that could take us over the top. Chychrun might be that player yet we are apparently allergic to the idea. The way that our salary structure is we cannot add a guy that makes $6 million or more at full cap. Chychrun is at a very reasonable cap hit for what he brings to the table. Holland needs to make a move to improve our defense and PK or this team is going nowhere.

I don't think Holland can get it done. What was the last major trade he even made?

Like I'm looking at Detroit's trade history ... Todd Bertuzzi in 2008 maybe? He scored 18 goals for them (not exactly major) but by that point was a shell of the player he used to be.

In 2001, probably the biggest trade he made was sending a Kozlov plus a 1st round pick for Dominik Hasek. But that's 20+ years ago now, lol.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I don't think Holland can get it done. What was the last major trade he even made?

Like I'm looking at Detroit's trade history ... Todd Bertuzzi in 2008 maybe? He scored 18 goals for them (not exactly major) but by that point was a shell of the player he used to be.

In 2001, probably the biggest trade he made was sending a Kozlov plus a 1st round pick for Dominik Hasek. But that's 20+ years ago now, lol.

A moron could make a trade, it's not a matter of can't, it's a matter of "is he willing to".

 

[Soundwave]

A moron could make a trade, it's not a matter of can't, it's a matter of "is he willing to".

I don't think he can do it. Being good at trading is a skill, only certain GMs are good at it, Holland definitely is not in that group.

Sakic, Yzerman, have a knack for it. Even Lowe is better at trading than Holland and Lowe wasn't all world.

Sather was very good in the 90s for the Oilers, it's how we were able to build a playoff team that could kill goliath teams with 3x the payroll as us ... his trading was really amazing even if our drafting sucked. Weight, Guerin, Cujo, Marchant, Grier, Niinimma, Hamrlik all acquired via trade.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I don't think he can do it. Being good at trading is a skill, only certain GMs are good at it, Holland definitely is not in that group.

Sakic, Yzerman, have a knack for it. Even Lowe is better at trading than Holland and Lowe wasn't all world.

Sather was very good in the 90s for the Oilers, it's how we were able to build a playoff team that could kill goliath teams with 3x the payroll as us ... his trading was really amazing even if our drafting sucked. Weight, Guerin, Cujo, Marchant, Grier, Niinimma, Hamrlik all acquired via trade.

I never said anything about winning the trade, I just said anyone can make a big trade. I am not expecting a big win, but we are at the point that we need to go all in over the next 3 seasons and the clock is ticking. I'd love to see a big move made that will cover those potential 3 playoff runs and try to all but guarantee 3 playoff appearances than wait until next offseason and then be down to only 2 potential playoff runs.

 

[DaGap]

The team was screwed the moment Nurse got Bridged and then the moment 25 million in cap space was evaporated