I want a GM that fields a competitive team now and can set up the team for the future as well.
Speculation: Fire Glen Sather
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I want a GM that fields a competitive team now and can set up the team for the future as well.
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Singn'...
I'll always say Sather long ago should have been fired and my opinion on that will never change.
I'll always say Sather long ago should have been fired and my opinion on that will never change.
- Jul 20, 2005
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It would be hard to argue otherwise.
What the team does going forward has no impact on his standing in the past.
NickyFotiu
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- Sep 29, 2011
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That shows your mind set. Its not about the team. Its about you.
All this talk of Slats trading away our first round picks. In his 13-14 years I think he has traded 2 or 3 first round picks and acquired 1. That is hardly a dramatic net amount for a professional team.
Yeah, well, trading those 2 or 3 picks are amplified when you pick mostly franchise players such as Al Montoya and Hugh Jessiman with the remaining ones..
That would be a salvation. Sadly, I fear we will be saddled with Jackass for many more years.
The bigger issue is over a three year period (last year's draft, this year's, and next years) Sather will have traded away so many early draft picks the Rangers will have only one first round and one second round pick over a three consecutive year period. The haul for those draft picks was Rick Nash, Ryan Clowe and Martin St Louis.
And hopefully after tonight that will turn into zero first round draft picks and two second round draft picks in a three year period.
No pain at the moment, but this can affect the organization in a big way somewhere down the road. While drafting is an inexact science and there is always a chance you'll draft anywhere from a superstar to a bust, one thing I'm sure we can all agree on is the fact that every draft pick you trade away cannot be either a superstar or a bust. They're gone.
Singn' wants the single most debilitating factor of the New York Rangers for the last 14 years gone, but its not about the team, its about him.
Thats logic in a bubble for ya.
Everyone would be happy if the Rangers win the cup. Some more pragmatic thinkers might start getting upset this summer that the 71 year old GM sacrificed a lot going forward in order to do it.
Bluenote13
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It's a realistic fear.
Slats good buddy Harry Sinden stepped down from his GM post at 74. Slats is 70. 4 more years ?
not sure how it's all about Singn'. So, his opinion is he doesn't agree with how this team has been constructed and that Slats' strategy isn't always long-term and building in nature, and perhaps certain trades made are not made from a strength and don't always fully address a weakness. I'm guessing he wants to enjoy the product on ice, year-in and year-out, and if that product is going south, he has confidence in the one person who can really alter its course and turn it around. Everyone doesn't have to agree with his view, but I think it's about the Rangers product on the ice year-in and year-out.
It'll be four 1st rounders if we win tonight. That's not really the point though. It's who he deals them for as much as it is the fact that he dealt them away. MSL likely doesn't have that many years left in the tank. Nash is a head-case. Bure had no knees. Multiple picks for Clowe who had major concussion issues.
Of our top-two round picks from 2013 to 2015, Sather has traded 4 of 6 while netting a guy who is nearly 40, a guy who played 13 games with us, and a guy who has scored 1 goal in 25 post season games as a Ranger. Kind of dramatic when you acknowledge the time frame in which he's dealt all of these high picks.
Not to mention the fact that in the Nash and St Louis trades, Sather gave up more than just draft picks for these guys.
If we win tonight we're 4 wins from the SFC. Without MSL, we aren't in this situation, period.
Is it ideal? No
But I'll live with it
So is the idea that Sather is so bad that even if we win a cup he should still be fired.
He should have been fired but if we win the cup than looking a the past 5 years it would be fact that he figured it out, got the right combo of players and contributed to staving off another 54 year nightmare. Arguably...to your point...with a better GM we would have already won another one...of course THAT'S subjective too and may be incorrect. You're defending subjective arguments by pointing out the counter is subjective.
The idea is that his entire body of work is so horrific that he should be dismissed, despite what happens. The reason for the Rangers overall mediocrity rests squarely on him.
krei...
as Trxjw says, stating this team wins because MSL is here vs. Cally is speculative. One can make an argument that even though he hasn't been overly productive, he's made an impact. One can say that this team got into the playoffs, and past Philly, despite him (looking at production) as opposed to because of him and Cally's abilities may have had the Rangers finishing off Philly earlier and perhaps be better rested for PITT and maybe finished them off earlier. Further, if the Rangers win the Cup, perhaps the stars were aligned and all was good, but that doesn't mean one would want Sather to see this team through into the future. Perhaps he tries to make a MSL trade again and the Rangers miss the playoffs, further putting a hole into the future. I believe some with a fire Sather even if they win attitude still would not want to see him because of that. It's a fair criticism, and some have been consistent about Sather for 14 years - a Cup win wouldn't make it all go away.
as Trxjw says, stating this team wins because MSL is here vs. Cally is speculative. One can make an argument that even though he hasn't been overly productive, he's made an impact. One can say that this team got into the playoffs, and past Philly, despite him (looking at production) as opposed to because of him and Cally's abilities may have had the Rangers finishing off Philly earlier and perhaps be better rested for PITT and maybe finished them off earlier. Further, if the Rangers win the Cup, perhaps the stars were aligned and all was good, but that doesn't mean one would want Sather to see this team through into the future. Perhaps he tries to make a MSL trade again and the Rangers miss the playoffs, further putting a hole into the future. I believe some with a fire Sather even if they win attitude still would not want to see him because of that. It's a fair criticism, and some have been consistent about Sather for 14 years - a Cup win wouldn't make it all go away.
Probably best to have this discussion if/when Sather ACTUALLY wins the Stanley Cup with the Rangers. Until then the whole concept is somewhere between conjecture and fantasy.
Honestly, this thread, right now, while we're 1 win away from the ECF is simply an exercise in cynicism.
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Winning the Stanley Cup is a monumental task. Many say, the hardest championship to win in all of sports.
Building an NHL dynasty? uh yeah, even harder.
I say WIN NOW. WIN NOW!
This thing is up for grabs. The team we have feared most in the ECF may not even make it there, and even if they do it's been shown they are beatable.
Why not us?
WIN NOW.
Building an NHL dynasty? uh yeah, even harder.
I say WIN NOW. WIN NOW!
This thing is up for grabs. The team we have feared most in the ECF may not even make it there, and even if they do it's been shown they are beatable.
Why not us?
WIN NOW.
And if we don't win this year, the best course of action at the trade deadline next year is probably to trade our first and second round draft picks in 2016 to San Jose for Joe Thornton.
WIN NOW
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