Speculation: Fire Glen Sather

[Riverdale]

Considering these guys weren't home grown players, and they were brought in to don the Blueshirt and excel and lead us to wins, and they haven't done that, makes this team a VERY easy team to detest. It's why the negativity on the board, and in the Garden is so rampant.

I was SHOCKED how easy it was for me to root against Nash in the Olympics, this, my favorite non-Rangers player in the NHL before we traded for him. Now? Can't stand the guy.

Partly the reason I was willing to give Dubinsky a break when a lot of others were not.

Seemed like with that 2012 team there was no country club atmosphere to be found. Despite their faults they at the very least battled for their wins. Nash came in and turned it around completely, for the worst.

 

[FOD]

First of all, signing Cally may have been worse. But what gets overlooked is the opportunity cost of Cally as well. It's a SJ pick prospect (Tierney +2nd lets say), 2015 first, 2014 2nd for a 39 y/o redundant MSL. No I don't make that trade. If the Rangers were the Anaheim Ducks, St Louis Blues, a team actually on the verge? Sure.

Sather thinks we are on the verge.

 

[qwertyaas]

Picks are always sexy. Especially on a board called Hockey's Future. But I definitely thought we had a shot this year. I was wrong, obviously, but hey as I said, to each his own.

But yeah, Sather have to go.

Compared to the legit contenders, we had almost no shot. I can't see any situation where the rangers would top Chicago, LAK or Ducks in a 7 game series. That's assuming if they beat the Pens and they could even move passed MTL or BOS.

It's just being realistic. No where close to the talent depth of the remaining teams.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Compared to the legit contenders, we had almost no shot. I can't see any situation where the rangers would top Chicago, LAK or Ducks in a 7 game series. That's assuming of they beat the pens they could even move passed MTL or BOS.

It's just being realistic. No where close to the talent depth of the remaining teams.

The calculus changes if you're a 71 year old has-been looking for 1 more shot at glory.

 

[Trxjw]

They did.

Still do? Disagree.

Bingo. The front office ripped the engine out of the car so they could add some racing stripes to the hood.

 

[qwertyaas]

The calculus changes if you're a 71 year old has-been looking for 1 more shot at glory.

Or all that matters to your boss is some playoff revenue and ridding you off all accountability as long as $$$ comes in.

 

[Swept In Seven]

Sather thinks we are on the verge.

Sather has thought that we were on the verge for over a decade now. Hence acquiring over the hill free agents above market value in hope to "push the team over the top" yet it blows up in his face consistently. Finally he started doing it right, built a homegrown team then he blew it the **** up for the new shiny toy, **** Sather he blew up the best thing that the Rangers had in a very long time

 

[BroadwayBlues]

Oh my goodness, I forgot Nash also specifically demanded to be traded to the Rangers. Perhaps Sather should put a moratorium in bringing in these guys who only want to come here. Could be that word around the league is this is a nice place to retire.

That would be hypercritical, considering he's here also, to retire.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Or all that matters to your boss is some playoff revenue and ridding you off all accountability as long as $$$ comes in.

"Oh and about that playoff revenue, Im gonna need it to buy out the last 6 years of Brad Richards' deal"

 

[RangerBoy]

There are some on this board who thought the Rangers were legitimate contenders so Slats wasn't alone in his warped view of the team. Anything can happen. The team has been 3rd or 4th best team since Christmas. More drivel. Marcel St Louis brings them closer according to the old goat. If they lose tomorrow, back to back second round losses.

 

[haveandare]

There are some on this board who thought the Rangers were legitimate contenders so Slats wasn't alone in his warped view of the team. Anything can happen. The team has been 3rd or 4th best team since Christmas. More drivel. Marcel St Louis brings them closer according to the old goat. If they lose tomorrow, back to back second round losses.

People had faith in their team. Good for them. That's kind of the point of following, though you'd never know it from this board, where the point of following a team is to have something to wallow about as you smack down other people for a perceived inability to grasp a fairly simple game of odds.

Back to back second round losses isn't good, but it's not horrible either. STL was supposed to win and they didn't make the second round. Same for SJ. But they're okay because their future looks good because...well...because they're not the Rangers.

Having said all of that, yeah it's time for Glen to go and it has been for a long time.

 

[Doctyl]

Why are people acting like those picks in the MSL trade would pan out to be elite game breaking forwards? When was the last time we actually drafted anyone like that? Also what are the chances we even draft a forward in the late 1st round? Those picks were absolutely not a guaranteed anything. Sather didn't exactly trade away the future, he traded a pick which could become a good player or could be a complete bust.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Professional sports have always been a business. Rich owners paid for newly rich players to entertain fans so that they would listen to the radio, follow advertisements, and pay for the teams tickets. The thing is that although professional sports have always been a business, they are today mega-business. The NHL is a multi-billion dollar form of entertainment. For every star on the ice, there are super stars in suits running the teams, picking the commercial, relocating franchises, and playing for huge profits.

Hockey is a game. The NHL is a business. If the NHL ceased to exist, there would still be young boys and girls near the northern border as well as other areas of the world smacking a puck into a trashcan. You can't think of hockey and the NHL as the same thing.

The NHL is a form of entertainment that has 30 channels for 30 teams. As in any other program, heads start to roll when the program doesn't do well. Doing well does not mean its a quality program. Doing well means how much profit can be made from the program, so heads roll, when the show no longer profits.

The NHL is a form of televised entertainment, so what is more fitting for an owner of one of the channels than the owner of a billion dollar cable television/isp provider.

The point is there isn't one guy or one fix for this team. Heads will roll when this team doesn't profit, and it does profit, so nothing will change.

This is not the league of our fathers and grandfather, this is a mega-business.

The fact is that many of the posters on these boards are real fans. They watch the team, care about it, and may have watched for generations, so why don't many of you guys go to games anymore?

You were priced out! The league needed real fans when it was a league of real fans, now it is a completely different game.

We can piss and moan about all the changes we can think of, and I don't think anything will change. This team turns a big profit, we still keep the better optimum packages to watch MSG, and although the Garden is at times as stale as a morgue, there are ***** warming the seats.

See you in July for the next bump for season subscribers, free agent frenzy!

 

[free0717]

Face it. We are a pretty good team but we are not contenders. Nash is a big dissapointment. The St. Louis trade was a terrible trade for the log run and turning out not so great for the short term. Stepan is not really a no 1 center in the mold of a Crosby or Toews. We dont have a defenseman that is an offensive difference maker. We dont have that big shot from the point on the PP. We have flaws as most teams have flaws

That is why we are not contenders

 

[Whiplash27]

Why are people acting like those picks in the MSL trade would pan out to be elite game breaking forwards? When was the last time we actually drafted anyone like that? Also what are the chances we even draft a forward in the late 1st round? Those picks were absolutely not a guaranteed anything. Sather didn't exactly trade away the future, he traded a pick which could become a good player or could be a complete bust.

Even if there's a 2% chance that the player could end up being an elite player, it's better than 0% in exchange for garbage.

 

[Ail]

People had faith in their team. Good for them. That's kind of the point of following, though you'd never know it from this board, where the point of following a team is to have something to wallow about as you smack down other people for a perceived inability to grasp a fairly simple game of odds.

Back to back second round losses isn't good, but it's not horrible either. STL was supposed to win and they didn't make the second round. Same for SJ. But they're okay because their future looks good because...well...because they're not the Rangers.

Having said all of that, yeah it's time for Glen to go and it has been for a long time.

Literally actually this.

For once this team was one of the best in the league prior to the playoffs rather than floundering their way in or just playing poorly. All the data suggested this team was a lot better than what we've seen so I can't imagine why people want to take shots at us for having a little faith for once rather than riding on that tired, "same old Rangers" schtick which just makes for a miserable post-season experience from the beggining.

Kreider got hurt, McDonagh got hurt, teams adjusted, the Rangers haven't and they just didn't find ways to win games they were the better team in. **** happens, no excuses, but I expected more from this team.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Why are people acting like those picks in the MSL trade would pan out to be elite game breaking forwards? When was the last time we actually drafted anyone like that? Also what are the chances we even draft a forward in the late 1st round? Those picks were absolutely not a guaranteed anything. Sather didn't exactly trade away the future, he traded a pick which could become a good player or could be a complete bust.

All fair points.

The only guarantee regarding draft picks, and this cannot be argued, is that any draft pick you trade away cannot possibly amount to anything. They can't be a superstar, they can't be a bust, and they can't be anything in between.

 

[silverfish]

Even if there's a 2% chance that the player could end up being an elite player, it's better than 0% in exchange for garbage.

There is a difference between a player playing like garbage, and a player being garbage. MSL is certainly one of these things, and not the other.

That's a discussion for the MSL thread though.

 

[RangerBoy]

People had faith in their team. Good for them. That's kind of the point of following, though you'd never know it from this board, where the point of following a team is to have something to wallow about as you smack down other people for a perceived inability to grasp a fairly simple game of odds.

Back to back second round losses isn't good, but it's not horrible either. STL was supposed to win and they didn't make the second round. Same for SJ. But they're okay because their future looks good because...well...because they're not the Rangers.

Having said all of that, yeah it's time for Glen to go and it has been for a long time.

Faith? How about being realistic? Look at how the roster is constructed and look at the other teams. In a playoff series, it's different having to face the same team every game for two weeks. Sather said Marcel brings the Rangers closer. Lost to Boston in 5. On the verge of losing in 5 again. Wasted another season with the same garbage. The Garden sold their tickets. The players got paid their millions. 1 Cup in 74 years.

 

[Doctyl]

Even if there's a 2% chance that the player could end up being an elite player, it's better than 0% in exchange for garbage.

with our track record i would say the chance is a lot closer to 0% than it is to 2

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Literally actually this.

For once this team was one of the best in the league prior to the playoffs rather than floundering their way in or just playing poorly. All the data suggested this team was a lot better than what we've seen so I can't imagine why people want to take shots at us for having a little faith for once rather than riding on that tired, "same old Rangers" schtick which just makes for a miserable post-season experience from the beggining.

Kreider got hurt, McDonagh got hurt, teams adjusted, the Rangers haven't and they just didn't find ways to win games they were the better team in. **** happens, no excuses, but I expected more from this team.

They played a playoff team 10 times after the Olympic break and were 4-4-2.

Im glad that beating up on the dregs of the NHL gave you hope headed into these playoffs.

 

[Doctyl]

Faith? How about being realistic? Look at how the roster is constructed and look at the other teams. In a playoff series, it's different having to face the same team every game for two weeks. Sather said Marcel brings the Rangers closer. Lost to Boston in 5. On the verge of losing in 5 again. Wasted another season with the same garbage. The Garden sold their tickets. The players got paid their millions. 1 Cup in 74 years.

Look at the roster? okay

MSL-Stepan-Nash--> I see a legitimate first line
Kreider-Richards-Hags--> Up and coming winger, one of the top playmakers in the league and a speed demon
Pouliot-Brassard-Zucc--> great scoring depth line with incredible talent, but consistency issues
Carcillo/Dorsett-Moore-Boyle--> one of the best 4th lines in the league

McD-G-->Legit top pairing one of the best in the league
Staal-Stralman-->A #1 dman on the second pair and a solid partner
Moore-Klein-->Stable quiet 3rd pair

Lundqvist-->Elite goalie
Talbot--> Question mark heading into this year but a very good backup

On paper IDK how anyone can blame sather for putting this together. It looks like it should be a lot better than it is. Stars completely underperforming is a huge problem.

and to the bold: Hossa?

 

[AHB*]

Brad Richards is a top playmaker in the league?

And how anyone can have faith in this organization is beyond me. I love this team, I root for them, I destroy my social life to schedule around their regular season and playoffs, but lets be realistic, this team winning the cup was a pipe dream at best.

You don't win the cup without a true #1 center. You also don't win without a semblance of toughness. I'm not saying constant fights, but every team has gritty players. Who do we have, Zucc? You need those nasty guys that step up. Our stars actually step down in the playoffs and it's been that case for their careers.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Unfortunately the games are not played on paper

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

On paper IDK how anyone can blame sather for putting this together.

Because team's aren't built on paper.

And because saying that Brad Richards is "one of the top playmakers in the league" isn't true.

Because there's as a lot of puffery in your analysis.