Speculation: Fire Glen Sather

[HatTrick Swayze]

Just always so easy in hindsight. People ignore the fact that we were making a cup run and Callahan was asking for too much money. That contract would've crippled us if anything. So, you have this info on Cally and the offer is on the table. Cup-run and everything in thought, you don't take the deal? I still do. Because we get the player TODAY for the cuprun TODAY. And we get something for Cally, instead of nothing. But of course, we gave alot. Alot of mystery boxes.

First of all, signing Cally may have been worse. But what gets overlooked is the opportunity cost of Cally as well. It's a SJ pick prospect (Tierney +2nd lets say), 2015 first, 2014 2nd for a 39 y/o redundant MSL. No I don't make that trade. If the Rangers were the Anaheim Ducks, St Louis Blues, a team actually on the verge? Sure.

 

[Crazed Beaver]

Knowing sather, It's almost a foregone conclusion that stastny will be a ranger next yr. Dolan wants a consistent playoff team, probably feels 6 home games is great season considering how pathetic the Knicks are. Viewed in that light, Dolan will prob give sather a raise this yr. We see how we matchup against the elite and its ugly. Our top six has been atrocious and our low paid best line will all be free agents soon. Sounds about right doesn't it? What truly Required to be a legit contender isn't possible when the quick fix is the engine driving this flawed organization.

I don't know what goes on behind closed doors but I certainly don't see a front office with an eye on the future. We need a young gm with new ideas and a fresh approach. Sather is as flawed as the roster he assembled.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

First of all, signing Cally may have been worse. But what gets overlooked is the opportunity cost of Cally as well. It's a SJ pick prospect (Tierney +2nd lets say), 2015 first, 2014 2nd for a 39 y/o redundant MSL. No I don't make that trade. If the Rangers were the Anaheim Ducks, St Louis Blues, a team actually on the verge? Sure.

The point about MSL being a redundant player (in style) is a good one. And one that I never considered.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The point about MSL being a redundant player (in style) is a good one. And one that I never considered.

Its wild how far the pendulum has swung in 2 short years.

I think the '11-12 team was awfully redundant as well, but what they had - in my opinion - is tougher to achieve as a team compared to the positive attributes of the current team.

 

[qwertyaas]

We weren't a MSL away from the cup. We are much further away. And killing any chance at picking a gamebreaker in the draft yet again by trading for what turned out to be non factors.

Sather has no plan for this team. Just pick up what's shiny, regardless of the fit.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

We weren't a MSL away from the cup. We are much further away. And killing any chance at picking a gamebreaker in the draft yet again by trading for what turned out to be non factors.

Sather has no plan for this team. Just pick up what's shiny, regardless of the fit.

sadly, I think its more that Sather knows he only has a few years left, so he'd rather throw crap at the wall with fading vets than put together a solid future for the team. Unfortunately Dolan will let it happen. Think this team is bad now? Give it 3 years when they are still stuck with an unproductive Nash and the fading vets Slats traded away our future for to surround him with...

 

[Jim Morrison]

Giving up picks wasn't the only way to "get something for Cally." There were other options. Not necessarily sexier options, but probably smarter options.

I respect you and your opinion about not being ready for a cup run. That's all fine and good. To each his own. But I still think it's a risk worth taking. Teams come together. You can't predict a playoff run. You just can't. And when you're in it, you make sure you get the best chance of winning. Getting the reigning Art Ross trophy winner for Callahan gives you a better chance. And yes, those picks could end up being great in a couple of years.

Glen Sather should be fired. But for a hell alot of other reasons than this trade.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

sadly, I think its more that Sather knows he only has a few years left, so he'd rather throw crap at the wall with fading vets than put together a solid future for the team. Unfortunately Dolan will let it happen. Think this team is bad now? Give it 3 years when they are still stuck with an unproductive Nash and the fading vets Slats traded away our future for to surround him with...

The abysmal state of the Knicks since 2000 has shielded Sather to a great degree as well. He'll probably get a pat on the back for the 5 revenue generating home playoff games this season, even though hes ripping apart what once was a really good team.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Glen Sather should be fired. But for a hell alot of other reasons than this trade.

I think we can all agree on that.

 

[Jersey Girl]

I respect you and your opinion about not being ready for a cup run. That's all fine and good. To each his own. But I still think it's a risk worth taking. Teams come together. You can't predict a playoff run. You just can't. And when you're in it, you make sure you get the best chance of winning.

Glen Sather should be fired. But for a hell alot of other reasons than this trade.

I say he should be fired for a hell of a lot of reasons including this trade, which is just one more example of horrible asset management.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I say he should be fired for a hell of a lot of reasons including this trade, which is just one more example of horrible asset management.

Picks are always sexy. Especially on a board called Hockey's Future. But I definitely thought we had a shot this year. I was wrong, obviously, but hey as I said, to each his own.

But yeah, Sather have to go.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Picks are always sexy. Especially on a board called Hockey's Future. But I definitely thought we had a shot this year. I was wrong, obviously, but hey as I said, to each his own.

But yeah, Sather have to go.

I'm not completely against the concept of trading draft picks. It definitely has it's place. But Sather sacrificing so many high draft picks in a three year period is the kind of asset management that can set a franchise back for a while.

From last year to this year to next year we will have a grand total of one first round and one second round draft pick, total, in a three consecutive year time period. I agree that drafting is an inexact science, and nothing is guaranteed, but there is in fact one absolute guarantee regarding draft picks - if you don't have picks, you won't be drafting anyone in that round who could help you in the future.

If that sacrifice is made for a real Cup run, I get it. When that sacrifice is made to help you solidify a playoff position, or put you in better position to win one playoff round - it can hurt.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I'm not completely against the concept of trading draft picks. It definitely has it's place. But Sather sacrificing so many high draft picks in a three year period is the kind of asset management that can set a franchise back for a while.

Especially with a system that is particularly thin right now and especially in a salary cap world.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The Rangers have scored 5 goals in 4 games this series. Lets take a look at the 3 imports that were supposed to put the team "over the top" offensively:

Brad Richards: Embarrassed himself during the lockout season, has a one way ticket out of NY at the end of this season

Martin St. Louis: Going on 39 years old. Demanded a trade to NY after a hissy fit about the Olympic selection because he has a house in CT. Best days look to be behind him.

Rick Nash: Can't and/or refuses to elevate/alter his play to any degree. 1 goal in 24 playoff games as a Ranger. Also demanded out to come to the Rangers.

What reason do any of these guys have to lay it all on the line for this team?

 

[Jim Morrison]

I'm not completely against the concept of trading draft picks. It definitely has it's place. But Sather sacrificing so many high draft picks in a three year period is the kind of asset management that can set a franchise back for a while.

From last year to this year to next year we will have a grand total of one first round and one second round draft pick, total, in a three consecutive year time period. I agree that drafting is an inexact science, and nothing is guaranteed, but there is in fact one absolute guarantee regarding draft picks - if you don't have picks, you won't be drafting anyone in that round who could help you in the future.

If that sacrifice is made for a real Cup run, I get it. When that sacrifice is made to help you solidify a playoff position, or put you in better position to win one playoff round - it can hurt.

It's not the early 2000s anymore. This trade will not set us back years, I promise you. The future is not grim. We have a great, young, core in this team. Draft picks can still be had. Nothing is written in stone. There are alot of positives in this club, not only bad things.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It's not the early 2000s anymore. This trade will not set us back years, I promise you. The future is not grim. We have a great, young, core in this team. Draft picks can still be had. Nothing is written in stone. There are alot of positives in this club, not only bad things.

They did.

Still do? Disagree.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Martin St. Louis: Going on 39 years old. Demanded a trade to NY after a hissy fit about the Olympic selection because he has a house in CT. Best days look to be behind him.

Rick Nash: Can't and/or refuses to elevate/alter his play to any degree. 1 goal in 24 playoff games as a Ranger. Also demanded out to come to the Rangers.

Oh my goodness, I forgot Nash also specifically demanded to be traded to the Rangers. Perhaps Sather should put a moratorium in bringing in these guys who only want to come here. Could be that word around the league is this is a nice place to retire.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Brad Richards: Embarrassed himself during the lockout season, has a one way ticket out of NY at the end of this season

What's scary is he's supposed to be a large part of the leadership on this team.

 

[Riverdale]

The Rangers have scored 5 goals in 4 games this series. Lets take a look at the 3 imports that were supposed to put the team "over the top" offensively:

Brad Richards: Embarrassed himself during the lockout season, has a one way ticket out of NY at the end of this season

Martin St. Louis: Going on 39 years old. Demanded a trade to NY after a hissy fit about the Olympic selection because he has a house in CT. Best days look to be behind him.

Rick Nash: Can't and/or refuses to elevate/alter his play to any degree. 1 goal in 24 playoff games as a Ranger. Also demanded out to come to the Rangers.

What reason do any of these guys have to lay it all on the line for this team?

No reason.
These guys came to NY for a reason, and it was not to win a cup.


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1 Goal in 24 playoff games and people are trying to say that Nash has been good. I literally can't believe that. If that is good what the heck is bad?

MSL's trade was a failure from day 1 and a few of us said so. This guy is helping the Penguins more than the Rangers.

Richards needs to learn how to shut his mouth. So sick of his post game remarks.

I don't think I have hated 3 Rangers this much in a long, long time.

 

[GAGLine]

Seeing as a.) the results of the trade are still a long time from being determined and b.) it has been argued to death since March 5th, it's not shocking to see anyone attempt to further justify the trade while MSL is not playing well. He had a good first round and a poor second round that is technically not even over yet. What more is there to say? The results of this series do not rest upon one player or trade. It is always pretty quiet from one side or the other when things aren't playing out as they predicted. Thanks for pointing out the obvious, however.

When you trade a 29 year old player and 1st and 2nd round picks for a soon to be 39 year old player, yeah, it kinda does. With that trade, we are officially in win-now mode. If we don't win now (meaning while MSL is here), then the trade can't be viewed as anything other than a failure.

We still have a slim chance to win this series, but do you honestly think this team is good enough to beat the likes of Boston, LA, Chicago, Anaheim or even Montreal? Do you foresee this team being good enough to win the cup next year? Richards will most likely be bought out. MSL will be on the last year of his contract and could decide to retire or leave after it's done. Then what? Overpay for another aging superstar who won't perform here?

 

[Jersey Girl]

It's not the early 2000s anymore. This trade will not set us back years, I promise you. The future is not grim. We have a great, young, core in this team. Draft picks can still be had. Nothing is written in stone. There are alot of positives in this club, not only bad things.

I didn't say there were only bad things with this club. I said a grand total of one first round and one second round draft pick in a three consecutive year period, given away in trades that have not put us over that hump Sather was talking about, is a bad thing.

Not sure how anyone can argue with that.

 

[Swept In Seven]

Fire Sather? Yeah right, this guy has a job for life and none of his indiscretions will trigger a firing. Every year we call for it, every year we got the great Oilers dynasty gm running the show

 

[silverfish]

I don't think I have hated 3 Rangers this much in a long, long time.

Considering these guys weren't home grown players, and they were brought in to don the Blueshirt and excel and lead us to wins, and they haven't done that, makes this team a VERY easy team to detest. It's why the negativity on the board, and in the Garden is so rampant.

I was SHOCKED how easy it was for me to root against Nash in the Olympics, this, my favorite non-Rangers player in the NHL before we traded for him. Now? Can't stand the guy.

 

[GAGLine]

Just always so easy in hindsight. People ignore the fact that we were making a cup run and Callahan was asking for too much money. That contract would've crippled us if anything. So, you have this info on Cally and the offer is on the table. Cup-run and everything in thought, you don't take the deal? I still do. Because we get the player TODAY for the cuprun TODAY. And we get something for Cally, instead of nothing. But of course, we gave alot. Alot of mystery boxes.

No, I don't. I hated the deal when it happened and I was against trading for MSL before it happened because I knew he would cost too much and not be worth it. Go back and look at my posts if you don't believe me.

Speaking of hindsight though, how the hell else do you expect to judge the deal? GMs get paid to make the right moves to build a winning team. They make the moves and then we see if they were right or wrong. If they make too many wrong moves and don't progress toward building a winning team, they get fired. That's how sports works, unless your name is Glen Sather.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Oh my goodness, I forgot Nash also specifically demanded to be traded to the Rangers. Perhaps Sather should put a moratorium in bringing in these guys who only want to come here. Could be that word around the league is this is a nice place to retire.

I must admit I thought the demand to NYR was going to be a positive thing for these 2 guys. Figured it meant they'd come here and bleed for this team.

But the proof is in the pudding, and their play has indicated quite the opposite.