Speculation: Fire Glen Sather
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SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
He hasn't been as bad as many here suggest but he 100% is more than bad enough to where he should be fired....4 or 5 years ago. At this point it's all a bit of a farce. He built a team with more than enough talent. Unfortunately the talent is choking...hard. The story of MSL is enraging. For him to do what he did all year in TB and then the very same week he comes here it all dissipates. He isn't even making rudimentary hockey plays out there in the very same year where he was a 70-80 pt guy in TB. McD, Girardi, Stepan Nash, MSL, Zuke, Brassard all choking in the 1st and/or 2nd round (some guys choked both rounds some only choked 1 round).
If even three of those guys were performing and scoring at even half their regular season pace in this 2nd round we'd be fine. But nope...big zilches across the board.
If even three of those guys were performing and scoring at even half their regular season pace in this 2nd round we'd be fine. But nope...big zilches across the board.
I wish Sather would coast. The team would be better off if it was able to grow together for a few years.
The Nash and MSL deals are typical Sather. Mr. Big Shot GM bringing in the established guys that will put his team over the top. In a way, its poetic justice that this method continues to blow up in his face.
Its the same refrain season after season. "Oh the team is fine, if only these guys would play up to their potential!"
How long before you realize these imports never play as well as they used to with other teams due to the systemic roster construction flaws?
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Yes except that everytime it blows up in his face we suffer and Glen doesn't flinch.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
+1. Though it may feel like it at times, the Garden ice isn't made of Kryptonite. The majority of Rangers teams over the last 15 years have been a poorly assembled collection of former stars. No coherence, year over year consistency, or thought given to creating and solving specific roles. Not to mention the human side of the game...mental fortitude, leadership, resiliency. In his tenure Sather blindly stumbled ass backwards into a team for one brief, tantalizing stretch. Only to completely dismantle it for more of the same over the course of 1.5 years.
Yup. Not to mention no 1C or PMD in what seems like forever.
...and people wonder why the powerplay is historically bad.
Wamsutta
I'm Glen Sather IRL
Nothing left in the system, no draft picks, garbage down the middle, and 3/4 of the roster gets rotated out every single July. No consistency, no chance of cohesion amongst players, just "let me throw $50m at this summer's top UFA real quick and then get back to my cigars".
The worst organization.
The worst organization.
yrrebbor
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On paper MSL should have been three times the player Cally was, but he was the heart of this team. Still conflicted knowing how much he asked for.
Jim Morrison
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Probably because they didn't expect the leading players to cave in the second round already. I take that risk again judging by MSLs play in TBL. NOBODY could've predicted what would happen. Derek Stepan, Rick Nash, Martin St. Louis, Henrik Lundqvist and Ryan McDonagh... They've stunk it up big time and put this organization at stake because of the risk they took with the MSL trade and the draft picks included.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
Really? Nobody? When was the last time the Rangers made a blockbuster deal for an aging star and it worked out?
Jim Morrison
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But seriously. Martin St. Louis. Won the Art Ross last season. Playing incredibly well this season with TBL. Scores and scores. Wants out. Callahan is looking for WAY too much money. We lose him after this year or we get something for him. MSL has not exactly been labeled a choker in his career. He's been the norm of consistency. I make that trade again, because we get a top5 player in the league for a player that we lose anyways. But sure, you can take the easy way out and chose the "blockbuster-trade" part.
yrrebbor
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E-Train
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Chris Stewart and the Oilers 2nd rounder not looking too bad about now. Same outcome with either Callahan deal.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
Messier was 9 years younger than St. Louis. And you picked one (not even in Sather's regime) 23 years ago. The answer is probably Jagr, but the Rangers didn't give up anything to get him
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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E-Train
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Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Seeing as a.) the results of the trade are still a long time from being determined and b.) it has been argued to death since March 5th, it's not shocking to see anyone attempt to further justify the trade while MSL is not playing well. He had a good first round and a poor second round that is technically not even over yet. What more is there to say? The results of this series do not rest upon one player or trade. It is always pretty quiet from one side or the other when things aren't playing out as they predicted. Thanks for pointing out the obvious, however.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
I know a lot of people who we skeptical. Not just HF either. The "silent majority" in the office and in bars. The reason being that:
1. Betting on a 39 y/o to keep up his production in a new environment is a risky proposition.
2. For as good as he is, he's redundant. I Eat Crow spelled it out exactly. The Flyers took away East-West passing plays, Rangers can't create any other way. Pens took away blue line, Rangers can't execute a dump and chase to enter the zone.
Again, too one dimensional. Not Marty but the entire build of the team. Can only play one way. You need diversity to win a Cup.
Jim Morrison
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Just always so easy in hindsight. People ignore the fact that we were making a cup run and Callahan was asking for too much money. That contract would've crippled us if anything. So, you have this info on Cally and the offer is on the table. Cup-run and everything in thought, you don't take the deal? I still do. Because we get the player TODAY for the cuprun TODAY. And we get something for Cally, instead of nothing. But of course, we gave alot. Alot of mystery boxes.
silverfish
got perma'd
I'm not going to change my stance on anything.
When the trades went down, I liked the Nash trade (despite losing Dubinsky, should've given up Callahan), and I LOVED the MSL trade.
Anyone saying they saw such a decline in MSL coming the second he put on a blueshirt is a straight up liar, and/or I want the mega millions and powerball numbers, please.
Fact of the matter is, Sather took a couple of risks to push for a championship here as his tenure comes to an end. Right now, they haven't paid off. Unfortunately for a lot of posters here, MSL and Nash will both be on this Rangers team next season. Richards will be bought out, and we'll have to spend that money wisely on a few RFAs we have, and a few guys on the FA market that will help the team. Avoid the "big name".
On another note, the Rangers are a country club retirement home because that's exactly what our GM is. The ideology and philosophy is built from the top down. Sather is here until he chooses not to be. The man has the best job security in the world.
And on another, another note, I don't foresee any scenario where the Rangers aren't in "win now" mode as long as Lundqvist is suiting up every day between the pipes. Henry has been such a blessing and a curse to this franchise. As long as Hank is here and playing at a top 5 goalie rate, we'll be going for it. I can't say I can blame the GM and FO for thinking that way.
We're not going to waste two or three years of Hank, as he comes up on what have proven to be "declining" years for goalies, trying to build from the bottom up.
It's wrong, but it's the life we need to realize as Rangers fans with that goalie.
When the trades went down, I liked the Nash trade (despite losing Dubinsky, should've given up Callahan), and I LOVED the MSL trade.
Anyone saying they saw such a decline in MSL coming the second he put on a blueshirt is a straight up liar, and/or I want the mega millions and powerball numbers, please.
Fact of the matter is, Sather took a couple of risks to push for a championship here as his tenure comes to an end. Right now, they haven't paid off. Unfortunately for a lot of posters here, MSL and Nash will both be on this Rangers team next season. Richards will be bought out, and we'll have to spend that money wisely on a few RFAs we have, and a few guys on the FA market that will help the team. Avoid the "big name".
On another note, the Rangers are a country club retirement home because that's exactly what our GM is. The ideology and philosophy is built from the top down. Sather is here until he chooses not to be. The man has the best job security in the world.
And on another, another note, I don't foresee any scenario where the Rangers aren't in "win now" mode as long as Lundqvist is suiting up every day between the pipes. Henry has been such a blessing and a curse to this franchise. As long as Hank is here and playing at a top 5 goalie rate, we'll be going for it. I can't say I can blame the GM and FO for thinking that way.
We're not going to waste two or three years of Hank, as he comes up on what have proven to be "declining" years for goalies, trying to build from the bottom up.
It's wrong, but it's the life we need to realize as Rangers fans with that goalie.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
Except it wasn't hindsighter.
I don't think anyone is/was ignoring that. If anything, people were ignoring the value of the picks the Rangers gave up.
I don't recall anyone saying to offer him that contract.
No, because I didn't see a team primed for a Cup run.
Giving up picks wasn't the only way to "get something for Cally." There were other options. Not necessarily sexier options, but probably smarter options.
