Speculation: Fire Glen Sather
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When you said "Days?" I thought for sure you were going to ask if he was sure that it wasn't hours, or even minutes.
BBKers
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Good and telling points as usual RB. But we got Kenny G. And we got winners too. Sather won a line of cups - right? (Only when Ronald Reagan held the briefcase with the secret codes to ignite Armageddon.)
A losing culture and environment develops losers. I see that every day in my work too
You nailed it.
But is Gorton really your alter ego or am I just stuck in a comic book world?
free0717
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Sather should just retire, Bring Mess in as the President, Gorton as the GM. Gotta give AV more leash.
Poor drafting, largely poor trades and poor UFA choices aren't a problem that he created?
Tearing down a team that was one of the youngest and hardest working teams that just went to the ECF and replacing the core with the core of Columbus is not a problem that he created? Replacing a coach who got each ounce of success that he could from his players and replacing one that does not seem to be able to function unless he has the Sedins playing for him, is not a problem that he created?
"I've seen the future, and it is our past"
So appropriate here. Ranger management needs a cleansing - no Sather cronies, no Sather protégés, no Sather assistants. We need a fresh start...or we'll never get a fresh start.
I do not get the feeling that AV is held back from anything. What else would you have him get power over?
As for the rest, the more things change........
pld459666
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Anyone that has this mess as a team after 13 years on the job CREATED THE PROBLEM.
there's no way on God's green Earth that anything that affects the Rangers today are the cayse of another GM from a life time ago.
Sather has been an absolute failure as a GM here. Today's problems are ALL ON SATHER
there's no way on God's green Earth that anything that affects the Rangers today are the cayse of another GM from a life time ago.
Sather has been an absolute failure as a GM here. Today's problems are ALL ON SATHER
Well, that is the main problem. It all starts and finishes with TLB. And main problem being over 95% of the issue.
Let's try to realistic here.
First, I'm 100% for replacing Sather. It has nothing to do with his age: I've been a Ranger fan for well over 50 years so you can guess my age. There are plenty of bad "young" GMs and plenty of "good" older ones. In a success oriented business, right now Sather should not be looked at as an old GM that the game has passed by, whatever that means, but simply as a "bad" GM. He needs to be replaced.
But let's give the guy some credit. When he first came here from Edmonton, where he had made comments about how if he, as Oilers GM, could have carte-blanche to spend as much a possible, he could easily build a Cup winner (or some comments like that). He fit easily into the Ranger tradition of spending freely in the non-cap era,
That method failed, as it does in most sports, most of the time.
Sather reevaluated and started to dismantle the team right before lockout #1. He had a new plan: build with young talent drafted and developed, when they had success on the NHL level, supplement with high end talent (Gaborik, Richards, Nash), bring in a proven coach who could maximize the talen (Torts) and take a serious run at the cup,
You know...it almost worked. I know we barely beat two teams we should have easily beaten on our way to the conference finals but in the playoffs you take series wins any way you can get them.
Last year was supposed to be our year. Lots of things happened: injuries, Richards prematurely aging, Torts brief window for success before players revolted lasting a year or so less than hoped, the lockout, underestimating what Dubinsky and Anisimov, and Prust meant to the team on many levels.
And now we are left to deal with the aftermath of the plan's failure.
We can easily coast along as we are for many years: a middling team that can squeeze into the playoffs, perhaps win a round...but never seriously contend.
In many ways, we need to start Sather's plan again: but with a different man in charge. All GMs make good and bad trades, have good and bad drafts. That is why there is such a high turnover in GMs in all sports.
Its time for a new GM: old, young, I don't care.....just "good."
But let's give Sather some credit. I think we'll all look back at the Torts years with nostalgia and a time of success (as well as arguing about the Nash trade for decades).
But let's think about something else: the Dolan factor. Do we really want him interfering with the Rangers as he does with the Knicks? Are we not sometimes better off with a GM who Dolan likes and respects (on a "good ole boy" basis) and leaves alone rather than a younger more inexperienced GM that he could intimidate? Just something for us to gnaw on.
But yeah, it's time for Sather to go. But, why do I get the feeling he will only go when he wants to? Not a good thought or one we can influence in any way.
First, I'm 100% for replacing Sather. It has nothing to do with his age: I've been a Ranger fan for well over 50 years so you can guess my age. There are plenty of bad "young" GMs and plenty of "good" older ones. In a success oriented business, right now Sather should not be looked at as an old GM that the game has passed by, whatever that means, but simply as a "bad" GM. He needs to be replaced.
But let's give the guy some credit. When he first came here from Edmonton, where he had made comments about how if he, as Oilers GM, could have carte-blanche to spend as much a possible, he could easily build a Cup winner (or some comments like that). He fit easily into the Ranger tradition of spending freely in the non-cap era,
That method failed, as it does in most sports, most of the time.
Sather reevaluated and started to dismantle the team right before lockout #1. He had a new plan: build with young talent drafted and developed, when they had success on the NHL level, supplement with high end talent (Gaborik, Richards, Nash), bring in a proven coach who could maximize the talen (Torts) and take a serious run at the cup,
You know...it almost worked. I know we barely beat two teams we should have easily beaten on our way to the conference finals but in the playoffs you take series wins any way you can get them.
Last year was supposed to be our year. Lots of things happened: injuries, Richards prematurely aging, Torts brief window for success before players revolted lasting a year or so less than hoped, the lockout, underestimating what Dubinsky and Anisimov, and Prust meant to the team on many levels.
And now we are left to deal with the aftermath of the plan's failure.
We can easily coast along as we are for many years: a middling team that can squeeze into the playoffs, perhaps win a round...but never seriously contend.
In many ways, we need to start Sather's plan again: but with a different man in charge. All GMs make good and bad trades, have good and bad drafts. That is why there is such a high turnover in GMs in all sports.
Its time for a new GM: old, young, I don't care.....just "good."
But let's give Sather some credit. I think we'll all look back at the Torts years with nostalgia and a time of success (as well as arguing about the Nash trade for decades).
But let's think about something else: the Dolan factor. Do we really want him interfering with the Rangers as he does with the Knicks? Are we not sometimes better off with a GM who Dolan likes and respects (on a "good ole boy" basis) and leaves alone rather than a younger more inexperienced GM that he could intimidate? Just something for us to gnaw on.
But yeah, it's time for Sather to go. But, why do I get the feeling he will only go when he wants to? Not a good thought or one we can influence in any way.
Dolan does not interfere with hockey. It is a sport he knows nothing about. Dolan needs to hand the GM job over and not interfere again. The problem is that Dolan knows NOTHING about hockey. So he has no idea of where to turn. Or for whom to go to.
That is something that most of us will agree on. He is getting carried out of office. And when done, his track record as a GM will be among the worst of any GM in any sport in NA in the last 50 years.
I have also followed the Rangers for over 50 years, 35 of which were as a season ticket holder. Although I agree Sather should go, see my posts over the years, he deserves no credit. What exactly has he accomplished in fourteen years? One ECF? His record is pathetic. I finally gave up my tickets when Redden was signed. Although I still love the Rangers and I live and die with the results, I am a realist to know we will be mediocre until there is a real culture change.
danny hoy
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i diddent know where to post this,but..i know soccer slighly better than i know hockey, but my understanding is that making such drastic changes with the system and filosify takes times to adapt to...considering the changes( beeing right ofcouse) it will be a those who wait... kind of situation.... the key is patients... il take strugling this season and maybe next and being a legit contender the year after that, than being an average win one lose one team. year after year... ill take som pain to get that GAIN!! unsure of who to vote for,but whatching some of millers plays made me increase my confidence in hes future as a player...there are ofcourse more consistent players than him mut some of things he he does few on this team can do after him... with the right patients and development(like you wil find in europe esp sweden) he will be a star for us! sorry for the long post!
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Pavel Buchnevich
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I'm trying to get #firesather trending on twitter. In order for an upheaval of sorts to have a chance of happening, we need to go viral through social media. Big enough so that a few sports blogs and even local news picks up on it. Spamming twitter and tagging the beat writers and official twitter account is a decent start.
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The man is 70 years old with all that money, he has to call it quits soon, right? this hockey team is going nowhere, what's the point of staying on the job? I'm not convinced he genuinely cares about the Rangers or the game right now. Can't figure out why he's still the guy that has final say on big decisions, though.
Pride and hubris are a funny thing. I dont see him stepping down while the team is clearly regressing from the high point of his GM tenure 18 months ago (which is also pretty pathetic after 14 years).
The sorry state of the Knicks since 2000 also can't be understated. To a total dolt like Dolan, Sather's tenure must look like pure gold compared to the Garden's favorite child.
dedalus
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This makes me wonder whose hubris we're talking about. I recall about six years ago, someone posted a link to a story on James Dolan. It wasn't about basketball or hockey; it was from a business publication. In it, the writer said that Dolan was driven in many of his actions to prove that he wasn't merely a creation of his father: some poor little rich kid with no achievements that ultimately weren't attributable to Charles.
In short, another form of ego that may have everything to do with James' attitude about Sather. Sather is HIS choice, dammit! And when Sather finally has success (even if only by luck) Jimmy will get to crow show about just how RIGHT he was, and just how WRONG all those moronic critics were. He'll show EVERYONE.
LieutenantLackluster
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Does anyone actually like Sather and think hes doing a good job? Seriously how is he still employed?
This is a good start. There is not much us out of state fans can do, it needs to be you guys locally. Can a petition/website be started with signatures( and it would have to be large) and be sent to dolan to apply pressure? Eliminate potvin sucks chants and substitute with "fire sather" relentlessly? Quit going to games! Hurt dolan where he can feel it! Enough is enough!
It would take a huge well orchestrated effort, but I believe that is what it would take for sather to lose his crown.
Please everybody, we need a concerted effort to win this battle.
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