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brentashton said:
I am in no way defending Dustin Schwartz. He is an abysmal failure as a goalie coach with the Oilers. As for being a pathetic human being, I don’t think that’s the case but I won’t even get involved in that discussion with you.

But, you do not have to have had an NHL career to even remotely qualify you to be a successful goalie coach. Mitch Korn, the Allaire brothers all parlayed a keen sense of how to use a combination of the team’s and the goalie’s strengths/weaknesses; knowledge of solid position fundamentals to develop a number of quality players at the position.

The problem with Schwartz is his CV indicates he can’t do this - multiple management structures where he has failed with the same middling results, a number of goalies he’s worked with and the same middling results.

This failure is on management to not assess the outputs of the coach and act accordingly. Who knows, maybe under a different coach Stu looks, plays and has different results. (I’m stretching there but trying to find a positive).
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Exactly! All for giving local talent a chance and before he got with the Oilers he coached in Spruce Grove and for the Oil Kings but its hard to say he made any impact beyond being a nice guy or something (whatever he brings to the table) but the fact that he has been around for so long and that players like Nuge have gone through so many coaches due to dumb GMs not addressing the key issues on the team for the 19th year in the row but getting bandaids (Ekholm for defense and we got extra "offense" in Arvy and J Skinner but look how much that helps) and hoping the win loss ratio isn't so crap by the middle of November or "well we had to let the coach go because idk what his problem was he should have made this team amazing, we made the finals you know?".

Doesn't cover up the fact that we have used up the talents of D Schwartz and we could have hired anyone else that is excited for a job in the NHL but this guy has been signed here longer than some Oilers draftees careers have lasted for (rip Poolparty and Yamamoto and more).
 
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Ritchie Valens said:
They actually fired Schwartz years ago but no one ever actually told him. Then during the last forensic audit it was discovered through a glitch in payroll, he was still getting paid the last several years. They fixed the payroll situation but now instead of asking him to return the money, they’re making him work for free. It’ll balance out eventually.

Kind of like what happened to this guy :D:

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Elon should send him an email asking him what he accomplished last week.
 
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5 Mins 4 Ftg said:
Elon should send him an email asking him what he accomplished last week.
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Sadly @Ritchie Valens story could very well be true. I mean the Phoenix payroll system mess did happen in this country. And still isn’t fixed, after a decade of the mess beginning. (I hear they are scoping a brand new system, that’s even more hysterical).
 
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FunkyChicken said:
The problem with trading for another goalie like Gibson, is what happens when Schwartz gets a hold of him? Does he then suck? There's a risk making trades because the goalie coach is so bad.
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I mean players put us on their no trade list for a reason! Either due to hearing about the coaching staff or the culture of hockey here being "yeah we got to the finals babyyyy" and with a team on the ice that hasn't produced a good home game in what seems like ages and with a depth F and D core that seems okay on paper but in the end spells disaster for the playoffs against stronger teams with way more hustle than what some of our top PAID players are PAID to do but they settled for "why play short game when long game on ice good?" to pump their TOI up to demand more money like how Nurse swindled whats his face due to Seth Jones getting paid and apparently we couldn't fathom offer sheeting the guy for a few days of free agency to test if anyone really wanted him (doubt it) so we weren't going to lose him for free and plus now his monster contract is a nightmare everyday. We need short term rental players added by the deadline 100% and a compliance buyout would be cool for each team around the league.
So yeah we can get Gibson but we really should be trying to get a guy like Freddie Anderson 2.46 GAA & .914 save % in the playoffs versus Stu's 2.83 GAA & .894 save % (so far and honestly we threw him to the wolves cause Campbell sucked so hard) and a real goalie who even played for Toronto with Hyman would be a perfect fit (besides injury scares I guess) but he is on the last year of a $3,400,000 contract so honestly not breaking the bank to get him over Gibson.
 
brentashton said:
Sadly @Ritchie Valens story could very well be true. I mean the Phoenix payroll system mess did happen in this country. And still isn’t fixed, after a decade of the mess beginning. (I hear they are scoping a brand new system, that’s even more hysterical).
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The new system is from Dayforce, one of the most respected payroll companies in the world
 
Apologize if this is had been posted already, but I re-read this article and it's pretty evident that Schwartz should have been fired a long time ago. No idea how someone so incompetent could stick around.

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Deep Dive: Dustin Schwartz

July 25, 2023 by Ryan Lotsberg Edmonton Oilers goalie coach Dustin Schwartz receives plenty of criticism. Consistently solid goaltending has been on the team’s wish list […]
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sure, the goalie coach should be gone, based on the Oiler's goaltending struggles over his tenure. But what about all the other people in this organization who had say in who they drafted for goalies, who they didn't draft? Who had a say in the Jack Campbell signing, who decided that this team didn't need any upgrade to our current tandem, both in the summer, and at the deadline. Schwartz is part of the issue, but not the only part, and to me, not even close to being the biggest issue with this team's goaltending issues.
 
unicornBLOOD said:
sure, the goalie coach should be gone, based on the Oiler's goaltending struggles over his tenure. But what about all the other people in this organization who had say in who they drafted for goalies, who they didn't draft? Who had a say in the Jack Campbell signing, who decided that this team didn't need any upgrade to our current tandem, both in the summer, and at the deadline. Schwartz is part of the issue, but not the only part, and to me, not even close to being the biggest issue with this team's goaltending issues.
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Schwartz scouted Jack Campbell. Is firing him going to magically fix everything? No but he should be gone all the same.
 
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KeithIsActuallyBad said:
Schwartz scouted Jack Campbell. Is firing him going to magically fix everything? No but he should be gone all the same.
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There isn't a single argument in favor of keeping him. Even his other prized pupil, Tristan Jarry, got sent down to the minors this season. Maybe it's a coincidence or maybe his coaching is actively harming their careers. I wish we could ask Jack Campbell what the answer is...
 
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jukon said:
Apologize if this is had been posted already, but I re-read this article and it's pretty evident that Schwartz should have been fired a long time ago. No idea how someone so incompetent could stick around.

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Deep Dive: Dustin Schwartz

July 25, 2023 by Ryan Lotsberg Edmonton Oilers goalie coach Dustin Schwartz receives plenty of criticism. Consistently solid goaltending has been on the team’s wish list […]
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For the longest time Schwartz had crutches from outside of the organization that kept him around.

Carter Hart's early success was making people think he knew what he was doing.

Then when he started to fail there was Tristan Jarry who was looking good.

But that's over, he has nothing within the organization doing well or outside the organization.

Even if for some reason there are people within the organization that think Schwartz is still a good goalie coach, it's clear that it's just not working anymore and that it's time to move on.
 
joestevens29 said:
For the longest time Schwartz had crutches from outside of the organization that kept him around.

Carter Hart's early success was making people think he knew what he was doing.

Then when he started to fail there was Tristan Jarry who was looking good.

But that's over, he has nothing within the organization doing well or outside the organization.

Even if for some reason there are people within the organization that think Schwartz is still a good goalie coach, it's clear that it's just not working anymore and that it's time to move on.
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Carter Hart was never as bad as Stool Skinner.
 
Pony up and hire Ian Clark. Pay him double what Vancouver is paying him. No biggie, it's better than offering $25M to the next flop goalie.
 
It's pretty easy to see that Skinner has not had to even work at improving his lateral mobility one iota; he's being taught to work around it. And this is on the coaching staff.

Over the last year and a half, you now see him lunging arm first at cross creases, or going down into that stomach frog splash to try and stop any type of east west play against him. I believe he's being actively trained to work around his deficiencies instead of actively improving them.

That right there, along with his inability to set himself properly and react as a pass across happens, should be enough evidence to show that this goalie coach is a massive detriment. You have not seen Skinner improve at all in his biggest weakness, just adapt and do unorthodox stuff to try and circumvent but still fail miserably.
 
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CrazyJoeDavola said:
It's pretty easy to see that Skinner has not had to even work at improving his lateral mobility one iota; he's being taught to work around it. And this is on the coaching staff.

Over the last year and a half, you now see him lunging arm first at cross creases, or going down into that stomach frog splash to try and stop any type of east west play against him. I believe he's being actively trained to work around his deficiencies instead of actively improving them.

That right there, along with his inability to set himself properly and react as a pass across happens, should be enough evidence to show that this goalie coach is a massive detriment. You have not seen Skinner improve at all in his biggest weakness, just adapt and do unorthodox stuff to try and circumvent but still fail miserably.
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Yea it definitely seems like they just gave up on it at some point. Now he usually just looks like Kris Russell doing his patented starfish maneuver any time the puck is around the crease.
 
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