Proposal: Fire DJ Smith

[DylanSensFan]

DeBrincat is closer to 10 than 1 on our best players list.

If we speaking only about offensive output. He needs to work harder at other parts of his game. Yesterday he was more tenacious and actually didn't just let opposing players strip the puck from him and skate away with it. That is more of the play I want to see, where he is dogged for pucks.

 

[BondraTime]

If we speaking only about offensive output. He needs to work harder at other parts of his game. Yesterday he was more tenacious and actually didn't just let opposing players strip the puck from him and skate away with it. That is more of the play I want to see, where he is dogged for pucks.

I’m talking in general, there are always going to be 4-6 players better than him on the Sens.

Chabot, Sanderson, Tkachuk, Stutzle, Bath/Norris.

There is no metric, outside of possibly goals, where he’s the Sens best player.

 

[GCK]

Last year he drew 1.38 penalties per 60 at 5v5, this year he's at 3.37
Last year he threw 19.81 hits per 60 at 5v5 this year he's at 18.3, not a significant difference
Last year he got about 55 seconds of PK, this year he's around 2 mins a game
He's giving the puck away about half as much as last year, while keeping about the same rate of takeaways.

He is blocking fewer shots per 60 but that's not always a bad thing.

To me the biggest difference in his game is on the offensive side, he's not getting as many shots through.

Again, I haven't been happy with him, I'd rather Kastelic in the lineup myself.

He’s not taking Kastelic’s spot. Kastelic is dealing with back pain so he’s missed a few games.

 

[SensontheRush]

I’m talking in general, there are always going to be 4-6 players better than him on the Sens.

Chabot, Sanderson, Tkachuk, Stutzle, Bath/Norris.

There is no metric, outside of possibly goals, where he’s the Sens best player.

Is Chabot better? Sanderson is better only 20 games in? IMO, I'd say DbC is better than Bath and Norris, but not by much, though you have to admit that our current system is much more conducive to players like Tkachuk and Batherson than DbC.

 

[BondraTime]

Is Chabot better? Sanderson is better only 20 games in? IMO, I'd say DbC is better than Bath and Norris, but not by much, though you have to admit that our current system is much more conducive to players like Tkachuk and Batherson than DbC.

I said prior to the trade I don’t even consider DBC to be a top 50 forward in the league, and I still believe that to be the case.

Norris and Bath are definitely on par, give or take, with him. That’s why I said 4-6., can easily argue for him over either guy.

Sanderson is undoubtedly a better player in my eyes, and that will only grow.

Chabot is definitely better in my eyes as well, regardless of the season.

I’d definitely agree he’s our best shooter and goal scorer.

I also think Giroux is better this year, but will obviously trend towards DBC

 

[Micklebot]

He’s not taking Kastelic’s spot. Kastelic is dealing with back pain so he’s missed a few games.

They also play different positions so there's that too. I figured Kastelic was likely nursing something, but expect Gambrell to be the one coming out when he's healthy even though I'd take out Kelly.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Last year he drew 1.38 penalties per 60 at 5v5, this year he's at 3.37
Last year he threw 19.81 hits per 60 at 5v5 this year he's at 18.3, not a significant difference
Last year he got about 55 seconds of PK, this year he's around 2 mins a game
He's giving the puck away about half as much as last year, while keeping about the same rate of takeaways.

He is blocking fewer shots per 60 but that's not always a bad thing.

To me the biggest difference in his game is on the offensive side, he's not getting as many shots through.

Again, I haven't been happy with him, I'd rather Kastelic in the lineup myself.

I thought Kastelic is injured.

 

[Micklebot]

I thought Kastelic is injured.

Apparently but he hasn't been officially listed as injured that I can find.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Apparently but he hasn't been officially listed as injured that I can find.

Ya odd, I remember healthy scratch, but then thought he was injured shortly after.

 

[Micklebot]

Ya odd, I remember healthy scratch, but then thought he was injured shortly after.

There was a game where he got hit and it looked it caused him some issues, I don't think he has played since

 

[Bileur]

What about his offensive play so far has made you think he's earned more of a look on the PP?

Just for context, Sanderson, at 20 games in to his career, is already 4 points away from matching Brannstrom's entire PP production for his whole career as a Senator.

What about my post suggested Brannstrom should supplant Sanderson?

I think with Norris out we should have 2 D on the second unit and double shift DeBrincat less often.

We have been going with 2 D looks more often and I think the puck moves around laterally way better with that look.

 

[Golden_Jet]

There was a game where he got hit and it looked it caused him some issues, I don't think he has played since

Thanks, I recall that, now you bring it up.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I just don't see the point in firing DJ at this point. Not with the ownership change looming overhead.

I actually hope that ownership puts a hold on making any major changes to the staff or roster, and we just let things run thier course this season.

Maybe Dorion and DJ pull a rabbit out their hats and save the season (and possibly their careers). Doubtful, but knowing they are both 100% gone unless the team massively overachieves for the rest of the season - lts good enough for me to let them have their final stand together.

We already lost all hope this season, all hype is cold and dead. And we can't get any more disappointed as fans. If we were in last place right now I can't say I would be any less optimistic than being in second last place.

So its only positives from here on out for us to look forward to. Either we see a miracle run of sorts, or we get a great pick in stacked draft + a brand new GM and coaching staff. probably high profile people that our previous owner was not able to entice.

These are two exciting scenarios and we already know how to take a punch, so what the hell is one more as far as I'm concerned. I finally feel like see can see an end to humiliation though one way or another. It stops after this season.

No man, not every has lost hope, and while the hype is dead in here, that’s no surprise.

We don’t need rival fans, we’re our own worst enemies.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Zub isn’t deaf either, he heard Dorion say that Zub’s 2 year deal correlates with JBD and Thomson stepping into the top 4.

“Dorion said he talked about multiple scenarios with Zub’s agent. The club wanted to go two years with Zub because they want to make room for Jacob Bernard-Docker and Lassi Thomson plus the Senators have No. 5 pick Jake Sanderson coming out of the University of North Dakota after next season.”

Naw, no one is that thin skinned.

We’ve been having a look at the kids and doing our due diligence. We’ve also had a chance to watch Zub blossom into more of a complete defender.

It’s important to sign Zub, but he’s not moping with hurt feelings, nor is it fair to assume that they wanted a long term deal and PD dissed him.

Far more likely is that Zub’s camp had a game plan of hitting FA to maximize his value, and PD had to try and save face in the media about giving the kids a look.

These are pros, and Ottawa loves Zub. If the money is right, and he wants to stay, a deal will get done. There is nothing else in the mix here.

To me, you simply have to pay the man. He’s exactly what we need two of at RD and he costs nothing but cap space.

 

[NB613]

One day… farther now?

 

[HSF]

nice to know ottawa does not have the spine to fire DJ

Who cares that he won two games against an avg team and a terrible team.

Look at the records of Toronto (without Reilly Muzzin Brodie), Detroit and NJD and tell me that coaching does not play a huge part in how a team responds on the ice.

This team will not be turned around with the current staff

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

nice to know ottawa does not have the spine to fire DJ

Who cares that he won two games against an avg team and a terrible team.

Look at the records of Toronto (without Reilly Muzzin Brodie), Detroit and NJD and tell me that coaching does not play a huge part in how a team responds on the ice.

This team will not be turned around with the current staff

You're probably right on the bolded. But I don't know why we'd act surprised that he's still here. If he wasn't fired after a losing streak, he sure as hell wouldn't be fired after a couple of wins.

 

[HSF]

You're probably right on the bolded. But I don't know why we'd act surprised that he's still here. If he wasn't fired after a losing streak, he sure as hell wouldn't be fired after a couple of wins.

back from road trip was the thinking

pretty pathetic on behalf of the ownership and management of this team to let this go on. ALl the talk in the summer was about increased expectations and how a slow start would not be tolerated.

Seeing this train wreck over and over again is also not good for the important players we need to sign.

The right msg needs to be sent that losing this much should not be tolerated

 

[Golden_Jet]

back from road trip was the thinking

pretty pathetic on behalf of the ownership and management of this team to let this go on. ALl the talk in the summer was about increased expectations and how a slow start would not be tolerated.

Seeing this train wreck over and over again is also not good for the important players we need to sign.

The right msg needs to be sent that losing this much should not be tolerated

As much as you want it, not happening with team being sold, unless you want Cappy to take over as interim. Surpring you don’t realize that tbh.

 

[LevelingSolo]

Safe to say he's not getting fired this year

 

[Big Muddy]

As much as you want it, not happening with team being sold, unless you want Cappy to take over as interim. Surpring you don’t realize that tbh.

Ya, seems logical they just go with an internal replacement as an interim coach. The new owner will hire a new GM who will ultimately make the decision on the new coach.

 

[Micklebot]

nice to know ottawa does not have the spine to fire DJ

Who cares that he won two games against an avg team and a terrible team.

Look at the records of Toronto (without Reilly Muzzin Brodie), Detroit and NJD and tell me that coaching does not play a huge part in how a team responds on the ice.

This team will not be turned around with the current staff

Has nothing to do with that, we are pending a sale after which a overhaul starting at the GM is likely to occur.

We can't realistically hire a proper replacement until a sale is finalized, so firing him accomplishes nothing unless you really believe in Capuano, which I don't think anyone does.

 

[HSF]

As much as you want it, not happening with team being sold, unless you want Cappy to take over as interim. Surpring you don’t realize that tbh.

Has nothing to do with that, we are pending a sale after which a overhaul starting at the GM is likely to occur.

We can't realistically hire a proper replacement until a sale is finalized, so firing him accomplishes nothing unless you really believe in Capuano, which I don't think anyone does.

Promote Mann to take over or Jack. Make some sort of change to atleast get the attention of the players

DJ has to go. The msg needs to be clear that this is unacceptable. Also I find it hard to believe that Dorion is allowed to make a trade move million dollar assets around but can't bring in a new coach to finish the year off

 

[Silencio]

If he wasn't fired after a losing streak, he sure as hell wouldn't be fired after a couple of wins.

Paul Maclean was, if I remember correctly.

 

[Micklebot]

Promote Mann to take over or Jack. Make some sort of change to atleast get the attention of the players

DJ has to go. The msg needs to be clear that this is unacceptable. Also I find it hard to believe that Dorion is allowed to make a trade move million dollar assets around but can't bring in a new coach to finish the year off

Then you likely lose Mann from the org altogether when new ownership cleans the slate. seems short sighted if you like Mann as your AHL coach.

Firing DJ now is reactionary and doesn't really accomplish much if anything. We aren't salvaging this season, we aren't finding a long term replacement without new ownership in place, better off just waiting it out and doing it right the first time.