Proposal: Fire DJ Smith

Should the Sens fire DJ Smith?


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Micklebot

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So we agree our defence is still bad ?
I think we've taken some steps forward on the backend and steps back up front,

Losing Norris all year is imo a big part of the problem as he was a good two way center and his absence resulted in Pinto being slotted too high all year, but we also sacrificed by trading Brown, Paul and not having Formenton.

On the flip side, Sanderson and Hamonic is a substantial improvement over Zaitsev with Holden who were our 2nd pair most of last year. Brannstrom has also really improved his defensive play.


Batherson has been bafflingly bad though,


Edit: I think how we struggle defensively has changed, we don't give away the puck as much or in the same way this year, but we've cheated a lot offensively, we've changed the forcheck to be more aggressive and are getting on the wrong side of the puck more often,
 
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Bileur

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Exactly. People have this bizarre notion that defending DJ from terrible braindead takes means wanting to keep him forever and ever and wanting him to win a Jack Adams.

I blame the polarization of politics and the "if you're not with me, you're against me" mentality.

You don’t think saying things like “terrible braindead takes” could have something to do with polarization?
 

Ice-Tray

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1) Are the Sens truly better? Their record in their final 62 games last season was 29-27-6. Their record this year so far : 33-29-4 . If you think they are so much better then you have set a really low bar.

2) Are they truly in the playoff hunt? Or are they hanging around like 3-4 other teams and have less than a 10% chance of making them.

You can paint a glowing picture all you want but the team is only marginally better than last year and with a lot more talent added. I 'm glad you think they are awesome but in reality they've underachieved.
Lol, love how painting a ‘glowing picture’ is saying they’re better than last year. Never change HFSens!

Anyhooo, I’ll just wish you luck with your perspective and leave it at that.
 

Ice-Tray

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Yeah, I don’t consider these meaningful games late in the season.

We’re at the point now where we at just waiting to be mathematically eliminated with nearly 1/4 of the season left, while having the 2nd easiest schedule through the first 3/4 of the season. 3 losses basically does that.
lol, three games ago I didn’t see you posting this crap.
 

Sun God Nika

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I am really curious how this gets handled.

Comes down to new owners, and if Pierre is still here. Even if Pierre gets a year tryout is he going to risk it by keeping DJ on or try swinging for a established coach with new financial muscles in ownership?
 

Gil Gunderson

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I am really curious how this gets handled.

Comes down to new owners, and if Pierre is still here. Even if Pierre gets a year tryout is he going to risk it by keeping DJ on or try swinging for a established coach with new financial muscles in ownership?
I’ll be absolutely shocked if he’s still here, regardless of who’s in charge.
 

Union2017

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I am really curious how this gets handled.

Comes down to new owners, and if Pierre is still here. Even if Pierre gets a year tryout is he going to risk it by keeping DJ on or try swinging for a established coach with new financial muscles in ownership?
If they keep Pierre for one year, he is nuts if he doesn’t hire an established coach.
 

Rals

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I mean he's a goner anyway so give a coach looking for a short term deal a chance anyway.

Dead cat bounce🫰

I'm sure BB would be thinking something similar.
 

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Just give him more time. Eventually we’ll understand what his system is.

System is pretty easy to understand. 2-3 forecheck in OZ. 1-1-3 in NZ. Box+1 in DZ. That's the meat and potatoes of how they play off the puck. All systems have their nuances and heavily rely on players to read and react. Opposition and game flow will also have tweaks but that's the basis of what they work off of. You may not like what they utilize. I'm not very fond of some set breakouts, specifically how frequently they look to get the the wingers high in the NZ but it can work and plays to the skillset of a player like Stutzle, who is a primary play driver.

I don't understand the talk of no system, no structure etc. It's so shallow and for me doesn't get to the root of the problem. I don't care if DJ is fired, I have no allegiance to him. I would agree that it's time for a someone else behind the bench but I don't think any coach walks in with same cards dealt to him a plays a much better hand. The players need to be better, so many issues from this season arise from decision making rather than the system.

Take this game sealing goal for example.



Maybe Pinto is a little too high and gets taken out of the play with a nicely drawn up and executed pick. G should have stuck with his man better but what the hell is Brannstrom doing conceding so much space inside his blueline. You are defending your blueline, you can't give up that much space. Force a play at the blueline rather than trying to pick off a play inside the zone. This isn't an example of bad coaching or bad systems, it's simply a player not executing. Far too common of an occurrence.

Here's a closer example of what it should look like, though execution is still poor



Stutzle who has the middle lane, steps up and forces a play. He isn't able to break up the play but Zub who had the outside lane has dropped in support and is able to recover. In the end it doesn't matter because a high risk play by Stutzle results in chasing because that's what turnover frequently do.
 
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Tuna99

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Feeling last night going into the game was we would probably lose. And we did lose and lost in the classic loser way (early goal against, late period goal against, lots of penalties, bag giveaways and ugly D zone play, weak goaltending, not much pushback)
 

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The team is poorly constructed AND the coaching has been terrible.
The games they win they have to play with a playoff level of intensity (ie Detroit) and thats not sustainable (hence the boom/bust cycles).
Hopefully they bring in an experienced GM and coach and begin the process of assessing the core issues.
They have a lot of skill but the collective team IQ is horrible. Goaltending will be challenging to sort out as neither Soogard or Forsberg are # 1s.
Their bottom 3 forwards and bottom 2 defence are not NHLers.
On the positive side, Norris will be back and I think Sanderson will be a beast next year.
 
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DueDiligence

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Lol, love how painting a ‘glowing picture’ is saying they’re better than last year. Never change HFSens!

Anyhooo, I’ll just wish you luck with your perspective and leave it at that.
Here are your exact words:
We are so much better than we were last year, and have finally reached the middle ground where challenging for the playoffs is a realistic expectation going forward. To me that’s awesome to see.

I'd call that painting a "glowing picture" but maybe you are easily impressed.
 

Loach

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The rebuild is getting a retool. By Christmas this won't be the same team at all. Dorion and DJ fcked things up. Ahhh. This team is anything but boring.
 

BondraTime

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lol, three games ago I didn’t see you posting this crap.
3 games ago we had a 13% chance to make the playoffs

We now have a 5% chance.

If you think these 3 games really charged my opinion on what meaningful games are, not to sure what to tell you, but I assure you, I don’t consider a <15% chance at playoffs with 1/4 of the season remaining, while having played the 2nd easiest schedule in the league, meaningful games.

If all that we have to do to have “meaningful” games is not be mathematically eliminated with 15+ games remaining, well, those are embarrassingly low standards.
 
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