Proposal: Fire DJ Smith

[Mingus Dew]

Need line and PP shuffling stat. The latter moreso.

I think this team needs someone who isn't a player's coach like DJ. We don't need to go full Sutter necessarily but someone that kicks these guys in the ass is needed. We are past the fun times.

 

[Bileur]

For sure.


This team is constantly hampered with injuries and a rotation of new players. It's not that easy.

All teams face injuries, professionals can’t use that as an excuse.

Who knows, maybe we’ll have Norris back next season but Chych or Sandy will go down. Maybe it will be Stutzle or Tkachuk. You have to overcome.

 

[Tuna99]

All teams face injuries, professionals can’t use that as an excuse.

Who knows, maybe we’ll have Norris back next season but Chych or Sandy will go down. Maybe it will be Stutzle or Tkachuk. You have to overcome.

If there’s a key injury last year do we just right off the season? Colorado won a Cup with Peter Forsberg, Giants won a SB without Phil Sims, Oilers won a Cup without #99.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

All teams face injuries, professionals can’t use that as an excuse.

Who knows, maybe we’ll have Norris back next season but Chych or Sandy will go down. Maybe it will be Stutzle or Tkachuk. You have to overcome.

Norris (season)
Zub (twice multiple weeks)
Talbot (twice multiple weeks)
Forsberg (twice multiple weeks)
Stutzle (2 weeks)

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[Tuna99]

Norris (season)
Zub (twice multiple weeks)
Talbot (twice multiple weeks)
Forsberg (twice multiple weeks)
Stutzle (2 weeks)

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Remember when Chara wasn’t available for a playoffs against the Leafs - in the words of Owen Nolan - “Boo-Hoo”

 

[Cosmix]

Need line and PP shuffling stat. The latter moreso.

I think this team needs someone who isn't a player's coach like DJ. We don't need to go full Sutter necessarily but someone that kicks these guys in the ass is needed. We are past the fun times.

A new GM and coaching staff are the priorities for me after new ownership is in place.
Too bad Trotz has signed as GM elsewhere.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

You can’t coach nerves.

I’ll say this ,as a coaching thread (not just firing DJ), but he has to do something about the PP. In key situations, he should have tinkered with it while they were losing. He can be stubborn.

Given that they are suddenly being almost outscored on the PP as of late, I would go Giroux Stutzle Tkachuk on PP1, with Chych and Chabby.

PP2 would be the Pinto line with Sanderson and Brass on the points

No but you can coach a system that makes player comfortable when things aren’t going their way. We have two modes. Working our asses off and carrying play ..and being a disaster defensively and getting slaughtered.

Coaching should fill in the gap. Where you know things aren’t working , but we are solid defensively not giving up odd man rushes and keeping teams to the outside while we find our feet.

 

[bert]

When your goal is to not make the playoffs, and also not to be in last place - that’s not a goal, it’s an excuse. The goal is mediocrity

If you actually think thats the goal you are beyond lost.

 

[Bileur]

Norris (season)
Zub (twice multiple weeks)
Talbot (twice multiple weeks)
Forsberg (twice multiple weeks)
Stutzle (2 weeks)

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I am aware of the Sens injuries. Excuses are for losers.

Smith: Excuses are for losers

Sens head coach DJ Smith addresses the media following Sunday morning's practice as the team readies for their return to play tomorrow night in Denver.

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[ksens]

Norris (season)
Zub (twice multiple weeks)
Talbot (twice multiple weeks)
Forsberg (twice multiple weeks)
Stutzle (2 weeks)

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This is the same excuse festival we got for the Sens last spring - "oh it is the injuries".

Then when you look at the league numbers you realize that is some BS:

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Norris (season)
Zub (twice multiple weeks)
Talbot (twice multiple weeks)
Forsberg (twice multiple weeks)
Stutzle (2 weeks)

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This shouldn't negate the fact that he needs to adjust. Powerplays has been abysmal lately but he's letting time figure it out on its own..

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Carolina injuries

Pacioretty - whole season
Kase - season
Andersen - 2 months
Aho - 2 weeks
Teravainen - 3 weeks
Pesce - opening week
Slavin - 3 weeks

Somehow still 2nd in NHL.

 

[Bileur]

Carolina injuries

Pacioretty - whole season
Kase - season
Andersen - 2 months
Aho - 2 weeks
Teravainen - 3 weeks
Pesce - opening week
Slavin - 3 weeks

Somehow still 2nd in NHL.

Colorado

Landeskog - whole season
Byram >50% of season
Manson >50% of season
Nichushkin - several weeks
Mackinnon - several weeks
Makar - several weeks

Still in a playoff position. Excuses are for losers.

 

[Micklebot]

All teams face injuries, professionals can’t use that as an excuse.

Who knows, maybe we’ll have Norris back next season but Chych or Sandy will go down. Maybe it will be Stutzle or Tkachuk. You have to overcome.

I think it's pretty naive to act like injuries don't have a significant impact on team performance, any professional needs to understand that impact, not overstate or understate it.

We were expecting to be a bubble team, we are having a season that has been impacted by injuries more than the average team, that's going to cost us spots in the standings, and as a bubble team, it doesn't take much to be the difference. Meanwhile, the teams we're fighting for that final Wild card spot have all had significantly healthier seasons than us. That's life, it happens, you can't count on being healthy, or the opposition struggling with injuries, but ignoring the impact team health has isn't how you figure out what needs addressing, you have to account for it, otherwise you'll end up going down the wrong path.

 

[Micklebot]

Colorado

Landeskog - whole season
Byram >50% of season
Manson >50% of season
Nichushkin - several weeks
Mackinnon - several weeks
Makar - several weeks

Still in a playoff position. Excuses are for losers.

Wow, the SC champs overcame injuries and is pacing to hold on to a playoff spot, despite pacing at about 20 fewer pts than last year

It's almost as though you were trying to prove how big an impact injuries can have...

 

[Bileur]

I think it's pretty naive to act like injuries don't have a significant impact on team performance, any professional needs to understand that impact, not overstate or understate it.

We were expecting to be a bubble team, we are having a season that has been impacted by injuries more than the average team, that's going to cost us spots in the standings, and as a bubble team, it doesn't take much to be the difference. Meanwhile, the teams we're fighting for that final Wild card spot have all had significantly healthier seasons than us. That's life, it happens, you can't count on being healthy, or the opposition struggling with injuries, but ignoring the impact team health has isn't how you figure out what needs addressing, you have to account for it, otherwise you'll end up going down the wrong path.

Nobody is ignoring the impact. There is a difference between acknowledging an impact and taking appropriate measures to remedy that impact and making excuses. Making excuses is for losers. This is elementary knowledge in all pro sports, and in life in general.

Everyone knows injuries have an impact, they obviously make it more difficult to achieve your objectives. Using them as an excuse for not achieving results is another matter and is a sign of a loser mindset.

Saying “ injuries are the problem otherwise we’d be in a playoff position” is making excuses and is a loser move. It is not “addressing” anything other than trying to avoid accountability.

Saying something closer to “we’ve been affected by long term injuries at centre two years in a row, we should acquire additional centre depth to be able to sustain success in spite of potential injuries” or “injuries have highlighted our lack of depth at centre” on the other hand is addressing the issue, being accountable, and ensuring your team is prepared for success.

You’re also factually incorrect, Washington has similar man games lost to the Sens, to players as important, and are also in the thick of it.

 

[Bileur]

Wow, the SC champs overcame injuries and is pacing to hold on to a playoff spot, despite pacing at about 20 fewer pts than last year

It's almost as though you were trying to prove how big an impact injuries can have...

Interesting take, the point is that you have to be prepared to face challenges and adversity and not rest on excuses.

 

[Micklebot]

Nobody is ignoring the impact. There is a difference between acknowledging an impact and taking appropriate measures to remedy that impact and making excuses. Making excuses is for losers. This is elementary knowledge in all pro sports, and in life in general.

Everyone knows injuries have an impact, they obviously make it more difficult to achieve your objectives. Using them as an excuse for not achieving results is another matter and is a sign of a loser mindset.

Saying “ injuries are the problem otherwise we’d be in a playoff position” is making excuses and is a loser move. It is not “addressing” anything other than trying to avoid accountability.

Saying something closer to “we’ve been affected by long term injuries at centre two years in a row, we should acquire additional centre depth to be able to sustain success in spite of potential injuries” or “injuries have highlighted our lack of depth at centre” on the other hand is addressing the issue, being accountable, and ensuring your team is prepared for success.

Huh? You're conflating two separate issues. Identifying the problem, and how to address it.

Whether we chose to address the fact that above average injuries look like they will result in us not making the playoff by a) adding center depth, b) hoping for fewer injuries next time around, either way we've acknowledged injuries were the difference this year. That's not making excuses it's living in the real world where injuries are a risk you can chose to try and mitigate, or accept the risk.

You’re also factually incorrect, Washington has similar man games lost to the Sens, to players as important, and are also in the thick of it.

??? What am I factually incorrect about?

Washington had a 100 pts season last year and are behind the sens in pts percentage, what are you trying to prove by being them up? How are we any less in the thick of it that them? They are on pace to miss the playoffs despite having higher expectations than us going in.

 

[Micklebot]

Interesting take, the point is that you have to be prepared to face challenges and adversity and not rest on excuses.

Lol, so what your saying is everyone should put together a SC winning roster just in case injuries happen, that's living in the real world, excuses something something, losers something something...

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Colorado

Landeskog - whole season
Byram >50% of season
Manson >50% of season
Nichushkin - several weeks
Mackinnon - several weeks
Makar - several weeks

Still in a playoff position. Excuses are for losers.

which ones are the goalies?

 

[Bileur]

Huh? You're conflating two separate issues. Identifying the problem, and how to address it.

Whether we chose to address the fact that above average injuries look like they will result in us not making the playoff by a) adding center depth, b) hoping for fewer injuries next time around, either way we've acknowledged injuries were the difference this year. That's not making excuses it's living in the real world where injuries are a risk you can chose to try and mitigate, or accept the risk.


??? What am I factually incorrect about?

Washington had a 100 pts season last year and are behind the sens in pts percentage, what are you trying to prove by being them up? How are we any less in the thick of it that them? They are on pace to miss the playoffs despite having higher expectations than us going in.

I’m not conflating anything. There is a difference between recognizing injuries happen and using them as an excuse.

Blaming injuries for not making the playoffs is making an excuse.

If the team had better depth, or if the depth players played better, or if the team acquired a player to replace the injured player, injuries would not have been so detrimental and they could overcome the adversity.

Pro sports are a results oriented business. Teams can undertake the right process and still fail to achieve the results and that’s ultimately what they are judged on.

You were incorrect about this part:

Meanwhile, the teams we're fighting for that final Wild card spot have all had significantly healthier seasons than us.

Washington is fighting for a final wild card spot in the east.

Washington is not significantly healthier than us.

That statement was factually incorrect.

Why are you so testy? You’re not infallible.

 

[PatrickEaves]

What are adjustments btw?

 

[Bileur]

Lol, so what your saying is everyone should put together a SC winning roster just in case injuries happen, that's living in the real world, excuses something something, losers something something...

I didn’t think you’d have an objection to the objective of putting together a Stanley cup winning roster.

That’s definitely what I would guess most NHL teams are doing.

 

[Loach]

Get Andrew Brunette in the summer.

 

[Bileur]

which ones are the goalies?

None.