Proposal: Fire DJ Smith

[Alf Silfversson]

I could see it being as simple as Joseph was late to a group session going over video/preparing for the game tonight and DJ decided to scratch him for it. People are constantly talking about how the guys aren't ready to play/missing details during games and DJ is making an example out of him.

The trade idea makes less sense to me because if something was that close I feel like they'd let the player know and he wouldn't invite 50 family members for the game.

I think this is probably it. But man, scratching him in a game 50 friends and family are attending is questionable.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Why are we jumping to locker room drama as the culprit?

Actual GF/GA aren't compelling evidence when samples are under 200 mins, even at 200 mins you're not really getting great predictability for future results, but the numbers are zero goals for and zero against away from Chabot, so even in about 100 mins away from Chabot.

Chabot doing better with Zub makes sense, Zub is easily our best RHD. He also tends to get the more offensive deployment in terms of being out there with the top 6.

You don't need to use one or the other. When you use them in conjunction with expected rates, it gives you a broader sense of what's actually happening. Case in point, the Sanderson-Hamonic pairing's xGF/xGA vs actual GF/GA.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Did DJ not make a comment a few days ago when Joseph was still getting close , not the Blues game.. that it was not a sure thing Joseph would come right in or something like that?

 

[BondraTime]

About 3 years too late, just need to get to the point of new owners.

Until then, we're stuck him

Did DJ not make a comment a few days ago when Joseph was still getting close , not the Blues game.. that it was not a sure thing Joseph would come right in or something like that?

Yeah, Sens bottom 6 has been killer lately, can't guarantee a spot in that crowded position.

 

[BankStreetParade]

I think this is probably it. But man, scratching him in a game 50 friends and family are attending is questionable.

It might or it might not be but if it was something like that and DJ has a choice to send a message or let it slide, what would you want him to do in this case?

 

[BondraTime]

"Kelly, Watson and Gambrell are doing everything we ask of them, without question, and without an ounce of hesitation. THAT'S what the Ottawa Senators are about. They have earned their spots in the lineup"...

Probably something as stupid as this, knowing Smith

 

[Viletho]

Joseph probably did something dumb, if not DJ is a bozo.

Or he did or said something bright. To bright for DJ to understand.

Maybe he was entering the Ozone in practice while maintening possession and DJ wanted him to dump it no matter what

 

[Micklebot]

You don't need to use one or the other. When you use them in conjunction with expected rates, it gives you a broader sense of what's actually happening. Case in point, the Sanderson-Hamonic pairing's xGF/xGA vs actual GF/GA.

Not with small samples, that's the point. With only 100 mins away from Chabot, it's really difficult to draw any conclusions from goal stats.

I mean, what conclusion do you draw from zero goals against in 100 mins away from Chabot? The answer should be nothing, the sample is far too small, you can't really use that information to draw any meaningful conclusions. Underlying stats are far more helpful at that type of sample size, even if they aren't perfect by any means.

 

[Alex1234]

Yeah send a message when the season is lost like a boss he is

Pathetic

 

[Alf Silfversson]

It might or it might not be but if it was something like that and DJ has a choice to send a message or let it slide, what would you want him to do in this case?

You find a non-public way to punish the guy. Let him play the game and then deal with it.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

You find a non-public way to punish the guy. Let him play the game and then deal with it.

Or, you say, "look, we are excited to have Matty back and were excited for him to play in front of family, but rules and rules and we set a bad example if we let this slide. It happens and the timing is unfortunate but we know he'll be back and playing good hockey for us very soon".

 

[DaveMatthew]

It might or it might not be but if it was something like that and DJ has a choice to send a message or let it slide, what would you want him to do in this case?

I'd like him to be consistent.

If Joseph was late to a meeting or something like that (which is the most reasonable explanation), and DJ wants to send a message, that's fine. (Personally, considering the importance of this game for his family, I still think it's a dick move and has a better chance of backfiring than working, but whatever.)

But when Thomas Chabot goes out and plays with the urgency of a sloth and makes giveaway after giveaway, maybe sit him for a few shifts to send a message too?

DJ seems to operate with the mantra: "Accountability... except for those guys."

 

[bert]

I'd like him to be consistent.

If Joseph was late to a meeting or something like that (which is the most reasonable explanation), and DJ wants to send a message, that's fine. (Personally, considering the importance of this game for his family, I still think it's a dick move and has a better chance of backfiring than working, but whatever.)

But when Thomas Chabot goes out and plays with the urgency of a sloth and makes giveaway after giveaway, maybe sit him for a few shifts to send a message too?

DJ seems to operate with the mantra: "Accountability... except for those guys."

Bullshit. There is absolutely no way this is the situation dont say it like its a fact.

 

[otown]

Geez if anyone is going to be motivated to put pucks in the net it would be Joseph! There has to be more to the story but this will just lead to resentment!

 

[DaveMatthew]

Bullshit. There is absolutely no way this is the situation dont say it like its a fact.

What's the situation then?

1. Joseph is not yet fully recovered from his injury/doesn't have his conditioning up to the point of playing - why not say it? That's exactly what he said when Zub, Zaitsev, etc were almost back.
2. Joseph is on the brink of being traded on they're keeping him out to protect his health - seems unlikely.

So the two likeliest ones are:

1. Joseph was late to something, said something, or dogged it in practice, and DJ is sending a message.
2. DJ thinks the bottom 6 is better off with Joseph.

Neither of those likely options are good.

And I don't think the two guys I mentioned, Chabot or Batherson, have been made accountable for their piss poor effort at all. DJ is soft like Charmin on them.

It's funny, because there are so many criticisms of there being a different set of rules for EK when he was here (which was true). Yet DJ has treated Chabot in the exact same way. You think the org would have learned. Chabot has been as sloppy, lazy and uninvested as Karlsson was back in 2017/18. And DJ keeps throwing him out there for 26+ minutes and the top PP unit.

 

[OD99]

I actually hope it is something serious or else it could backfire but what does DJ have to lose now?

Maybe Joseph wanted to save himself for the Pitt game and DJ didn't like that he put himself above the team?

 

[BankStreetParade]

I'd like him to be consistent.

If Joseph was late to a meeting or something like that (which is the most reasonable explanation), and DJ wants to send a message, that's fine. (Personally, considering the importance of this game for his family, I still think it's a dick move and has a better chance of backfiring than working, but whatever.)

But when Thomas Chabot goes out and plays with the urgency of a sloth and makes giveaway after giveaway, maybe sit him for a few shifts to send a message too?

DJ seems to operate with the mantra: "Accountability... except for those guys."

After the disaster of the Seattle game where he played 28:04, he played 24:31, 23:13 and 23:13 the next 3 games. So they're doing exactly what you're accusing them of not doing.

 

[bert]

What's the situation then?

1. Joseph is not yet fully recovered from his injury/doesn't have his conditioning up to the point of playing - why not say it? That's exactly what he said when Zub, Zaitsev, etc were almost back.
2. Joseph is on the brink of being traded on they're keeping him out to protect his health - seems unlikely.

So the two likeliest ones are:

1. Joseph was late to something, said something, or dogged it in practice, and DJ is sending a message.
2. DJ thinks the bottom 6 is better off with Joseph.

Neither of those likely options are good.

And I don't think the two guys I mentioned, Chabot or Batherson, have been made accountable for their piss poor effort at all. DJ is soft like Charmin on them.

It's funny, because there are so many criticisms of there being a different set of rules for EK when he was here (which was true). Yet DJ has treated Chabot in the exact same way. You think the org would have learned. Chabot has been as sloppy, lazy and uninvested as Karlsson was back in 2017/18. And DJ keeps throwing him out there for 26+ minutes and the top PP unit.

You dont know why he is being healthy scratched it could be a litany of things not exclusively to what you have suggested. Not only have you made that assumption but its lead you to another assumption which you are yet again stating as fact.

The only thing you know about is ice time distribution. Have you seen them bench anyone for a mistake all year?

Chabot isnt taking practices off. Another assumption.

Its ok to be upset but stop making things up as fact because its suits a narrative you're trying to push.

 

[DaveMatthew]

You dont know why he is being healthy scratched. Not only have you made that assumption but its lead you to another assumption which you are yet again stating as fact.

The only thing you know about is ice time distribution. Have you seen them bench anyone for a mistake all year?

Chabot isnt taking practices off. Another assumption.

Its ok to be upset but stop making things up as fact because its suits a narrative you're trying to push.

Huh? I'm not stating anything as fact.

DJ explicitly said that he wouldn't elaborate on why Joseph is scratched. So all we have are our assumptions.

So what do you think is most likely?

1. He's being scratched because he's not yet recovered from his injury
2. He's being scratched because he broke a team rule/was late to a meeting/dogged it in practice/etc.
3. He's being scratched to protect his health pending a trade
4. He's being scratched because DJ likes and doesn't want to change the lineup in the bottom 6

This is a forum where no one is privy to all the facts. So all we have are assumptions. If you're not willing to discuss them and speculate/reason which are/are not likely, then why are you here?

And yeah, I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that Drake Batherson has not been held accountable. The guy has decided he no longer gives an effort in his own end, yet he hasn't played less 16:53 in a game in two months. He's gotten 19+ minutes in 13 of the last 21 games. He's only been a + player once in those 21 games.

 

[coladin]

That's ridiculous.

Batherson is a top 6 winger in this league despite his troubles and Motte or Joseph in particular aren't pushing him down the lineup.

Yes, Batherson is a top 6 winger. But when a player is struggling, a healthy lineup will allow you to move him down a line or two. If Formenton, Joseph, Motte are healthy, you an bet your arse that DJ would have made him more accountable for his lackluster play. That is more my point

 

[Burrowsaurus]

 

[Union2017]

Joseph showed DJ's book of plays and strategies to his brother...

I knew he was a mole - sent to destroy our organization!

 

[Big Muddy]

Could be a potential trade, keeping him out to ensure he doesn't get hurt and scuttle Dorion's Joseph for Dumba deal...

That's what I was thinking. Just my suspicious mind at work.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sharing without comment for discussion purposes only. Don't @ME.

 

[Chabot84]

If we just won a couple more games when it mattered aka right now.. we would be in the playoff race right now

If we don’t beat Pitt tonight then it’s officially over honestly.

Already a fat chance but man like I said if we just won 2 more games then tonight would be like a playoff game