Confirmed with Link: Finnish Aho signs offer sheet from Finnish Montreal (5 years, $8.54M AAV) - Part 2 (Mod warning #1)

[Le Tricolore]

Canes fans are very salty about this

Makes sense We wouldn't be happy either if it happened to the Habs.

 

[JuicyHam]

Well yeah I literally wrote that.

Yeah

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Sign and trades could be contractual, as in worded in the trade. I am not privy to the details and I doubt you are either. But even if sign and trades totally relied on the good faith of all parties involved, it's a completely different situation than an offer sheet. One involves parties which are mutually agreeing to something and have no reason to screw each others off. The other involves 2 parties who now have bad blood as a result of the offer sheet. It's completely different, so I don't need to come up with example of anything since that proves nothing regardless.

It's not schoolyard politics. There's even a precedent of the opposite of what you claim, look at the Chris Gratton offersheet.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I think he kinda made that clear, no?

Could of just seen a contract he liked from a team he wouldn't mind playing for. Avoids a long, drawn out negotiation.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Since I suck in financial stuff, Dundon is a 52% owner of the canes, wouldn't one of the other owners possibly step up cash wise?

Anything is possible. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some billionaire out there who really hates the Habs and puts up the funds.

 

[Runner77]

For what it’s worth, this just came out 15 minutes ago...

What signs? They’re either matching or they’re not. There is no need to be reading “signs” if it were a certainty.

They’re spitballin’.

 

[Habaneros]

Makes sense We wouldn't be happy either if it happened to the Habs.

that depends....2 -1st..or 4 1st....who knows..lol

 

[sandysan]

Sign and trades could be contractual, as in worded in the trade. I am not privy to the details and I doubt you are either. But even if sign and trades totally relied on the good faith of all parties involved, it's a completely different situation than an offer sheet. One involves parties which are mutually agreeing to something and have no reason to screw each others off. The other involves 2 parties who now have bad blood as a result of the offer sheet. It's completely different, so I don't need to come up with example of anything since that proves nothing regardless.

Sign and trade means a team signs a player with the intent of trading him. The intent. You cannot enter into a contract with team A provisional on whether you can trade him to team C. That's not how it works.

If your word is not good ( or is provisionally good) then being a GM isn't for you.

A GM who teaches on a deal is not trustworthy.

That kind of stink doesn't dissipate.

 

[Runner77]

This offer sheet will blow up in MB's face big time.

How so? Nothing ventured save for a non-existent relationship with Waddell.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Could of just seen a contract he liked from a team he wouldn't mind playing for. Avoids a long, drawn out negotiation.

If he signed with another team, it means he's prepared to play for another team. Reports also say he wasn't happy in Raleigh.

 

[sandysan]

Makes sense We wouldn't be happy either if it happened to the Habs.

If it did, we match.
No biggie.
But we don"t lowball young pending RFA's either.

 

[Captain Mountain]

He does want out which is why he refused to sign the 8 year deal.

You have to agree that even as good as he is, there HAS to be a deal where it is in the canes best interest to to not match?
Right?

Whether we have the assets to cross that line, I can't say. But we have 7 days to find out.

It's in every RFA's self interest to sign so they're UFA as young as possible. Matthews did it, and by all accounts he loves Toronto.

 

[Habaneros]

How so? Nothing ventured save for a non-existent relationship with Waddell.

Canes Habs never been big trade partners...nothing lost there.

 

[sandviper]

Can't wait for there to be some bad blood between the two teams next season. Getting Aho would definitely be retribution for Koivu's eye.

Although I think their franchise might actually fold after getting punked so hard.

Bad blood will be between the ownership and the management for the teams. Carolina players may skate over to the Habs bench and ask for MB to take them away as well.

 

[Dagistitsyn]

How so? Nothing ventured save for a non-existent relationship with Waddell.

Exactly. Who gives a shit, it's a business.

 

[Le Tricolore]

If it did, we match.
No biggie.
But we don"t lowball young pending RFA's either.

Bergevin literally did to Subban like five years ago. Molson had to interject to get the contract done.

 

[Runner77]

I also heard here that Karlsson would be a Habs today, 100% sure.

His wife is struggling to visit Ottawa on $92M.

 

[Licentia]

I think they would’ve matched anything but 4 1st-round picks going back.

Too bad this didn’t happen under Carolina’s old ownership

I wouldn't want to give up 4 first rounders for any 1 player.

 

[Captain Mountain]

If he signed with another team, it means he's prepared to play for another team. Reports also say he wasn't happy in Raleigh.

I know, we just have no definitive evidence he wants out. Only speculation and heresy.

Just because he'd be happy to play for the Habs doesn't mean he wants out of Carolina.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Bergevin literally did to Subban like five years ago. Molson had to interject to get the contract done.

Worst is, Subban refused a Philly OS that same summer.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

It's not schoolyard politics. There's even a precedent of the opposite of what you claim, look at the Chris Gratton offersheet.

I don't know if I would call the below the opposite of what I said and even if it were, it was in 1997 and much has changed, clearly not even close to the same CBA.

Prior to Dustin Penner, Chris Gratton was the last player to actually change teams as a result of an offer sheet. He was also nearly traded to a different team on the same day. On Aug. 12, 1997, the Tampa Bay Lightning and Chicago Blackhawks agreed to a trade that would send Gratton to the Windy City in return for a package that included center Steve Dubinsky, defenseman Keith Carney, and one of either Eric Daze or Ethan Moreau.
The problem? Earlier that day, Gratton received an offer sheet from the Philadelphia Flyers. Tampa GM Phil Esposito claimed that a smudge on the faxed offer sheet invalidated the offer sheet and that the trade should stand. Not surprisingly, an arbitrator ruled that the offer sheet was valid, and Tampa Bay was awarded draft picks as compensation. The Lightning immediately dealt those draft picks back to the Flyers for former Legion-of-Doom winger Mikael Renberg and defenseman Karl Dykhuis.
(Postscript: The following season, Gratton would be traded back to Tampa Bay, along with center Mike Sillinger. Going the other way? Daymond Langkow and Mikael Renberg.)

https://thehockeywriters.com/rfas-and-offer-sheets-a-look-back/

 

[sandysan]

Bergevin literally did to Subban like five years ago. Molson had to interject to get the contract done.

We gave them a bridge before they became restricted. That's fundamentally different, no?

 

[Habaneros]

Bergevin literally did to Subban like five years ago. Molson had to interject to get the contract done.

and Molsom traded Subban away soon after....for holding them over a barrel ...

Arbitration...and offersheets....or showing up your owners or GM...many times those playerS get shipped out of town...

 

[ForeverHabs97]

Bad blood will be between the ownership and the management for the teams. Carolina players may skate over to the Habs bench and ask for MB to take them away as well.

LOOOOL

Kinda like Django Unchained where he lets ths boys out to freedom.
Jokes aside Canes can't be that bad of a market to play in.

 

[sandysan]

I know, we just have no definitive evidence he wants out. Only speculation and heresy.

Just because he'd be happy to play for the Habs doesn't mean he wants out of Carolina.

By all accounts what he wants most is to become a UFA in 5 years. After that? Details.