Confirmed with Link: Finnish Aho signs offer sheet from Finnish Montreal (5 years, $8.54M AAV) - Part 2 (Mod warning #1)

[Runner77]

Most of their contracts pre-date their current owner or come from other teams tho.

Except that the previous owner who worked that way, still holds a sizeable percentage of the team right now.

 

[Habby Gilmore]

Worst is, Subban refused a Philly OS that same summer.

I thought MB QO’d Subban so he couldn’t be offer sheeted that year?

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Sign and trade means a team signs a player with the intent of trading him. The intent. You cannot enter into a contract with team A provisional on whether you can trade him to team C. That's not how it works.

If your word is not good ( or is provisionally good) then being a GM isn't for you.

A GM who teaches on a deal is not trustworthy.

That kind of stink doesn't dissipate.

I know what a sign and trade is lol..... But the new deal with the player can be conditional to the trade and worded in the trade to take into effect all at once. I don't know the exact mechanics because I'm not a NHL/team lawyer and neither are you.

And once again, all it takes is one GM who's at the end of the road who doesn't care and once again a sign and trade is a completely different situation in terms of emotional stakes between all parties involved as an offer sheet.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I don't know if I would call the below the opposite of what I said and even if it were, it was in 1997 and much has changed, clearly not even close to the same CBA.


https://thehockeywriters.com/rfas-and-offer-sheets-a-look-back/

That's not the point AT ALL.

You said the two GMs wouldnt trust each other after an OS.

The example I gave you shows you this is false. The compensation trade was even done after the signing was not matched. No matter the CBA.

 

[Runner77]

Interesting OS seems like a starting offer at that point strange way to try and start a deal

Too bad we don’t have more in what was said during that morning convo.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I thought MB QO’d Subban so he couldn’t be offer sheeted that year?

Thats the bridge year

 

[sandysan]

I thought MB QO’d Subban so he couldn’t be offer sheeted that year?

You and me both
Perhaps we are both wrong?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Maybe it was a little harsh but it’s not like hockey is much of a big deal there, free tickets and discounted seats galore and after game gimmicks just to try and get people interested. I blame Bettman for trying to make it work in some of the markets in the states and not the fans.

It is silly to blame Bettman as he doesn't decide where teams go. He works for the owners and simply does whatever the board of governors asks him to do.

Never understood the "blame Bettman" silliness. He doesn't arbitrarily make changes to the game, he is just there to actualize, consolidate and expedite the plans of the Board.

 

[Habby Gilmore]

Thats the bridge year

Ah, my bad. Thanks for the correction.

 

[OnTheRun]

Except that the previous owner who worked that way, still holds a sizeable percentage of the team right now.

Less than 40%. Still can't attribute what happened before Dundon to Dundon.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

That's not the point AT ALL.

You said the two GMs wouldnt trust each other after an OS.

The example I gave you shows you this is false. The compensation trade was even done after the signing was not matched. No matter the CBA.

You are the one who is missing the point. I'm talking about a deal where the two GM would make a side deal to sweeten the pot to entice Carolina to accept not to match. This implies trust on one side to follow through on the promise made if it it's not written in the deal. Not talking about the two same GMs later making a deal not conditional to anything.

And it's not because 2 GMs did it one day that it would be the same for all GMs. Brian Burke for example was FURIOUS about an OS made to one his player. Perhaps he would not have made a deal with the same GM after. Not every case is the same.

 

[OldCraig71]

It's in every RFA's self interest to sign so they're UFA as young as possible. Matthews did it, and by all accounts he loves Toronto.

The Leafs are now possibly facing the same type of demands from Marner and I think it has them in a tough situation.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You are the one who is missing the point. I'm talking about a deal where the two GM would make a side deal to sweeten the pot to entice Carolina to accept not to match. This implies trust on one side to follow through on the promise made if it it's not written in the deal. Not talking about the two same GMs later making a deal not conditional to anything.

That's EXACTLY what happened in the Gratton case

 

[Runner77]

Going through their board, I sensed some not happy with Canes' front offices, some not happy with Aho, a lot of them not happy with Montreal.

But almost everyone is confident they will match.

I’ve read them and it looked to me that very few blamed the player. They put it mostly on the owner for not having come to terms with Aho.

 

[JoelWarlord]

I wouldn't want to give up 4 first rounders for any 1 player.

You wouldn't trade Caufield, Kotkaniemi, Poehling, and Sergachev for Connor McDavid? What about Beaulieu, McCarron, Scherbak, and Juulsen?

 

[OldCraig71]

It is silly to blame Bettman as he doesn't decide where teams go. He works for the owners and simply does whatever the board of governors asks him to do.

Never understood the "blame Bettman" silliness. He doesn't arbitrarily make changes to the game, he is just there to actualize, consolidate and expedite the plans of the Board.

He seems to be well loved around the league by fans of all 31 teams.

 

[The Great Weal]

Out of curiosity, does anybody know how long it took other teams with previous offersheets? We know Nashville with Weber, buy what about the others?

 

[Justin11]

Too bad we don’t have more in what was said during that morning convo.

Pretty sure Bergevin gave him a heads up of his intentions and probably asked what was the asking price for Aho, and when he didn’t like Wadell’s response, he followed with an OS.

 

[Le Tricolore]

Continue here: Confirmed with Link: - Habs sign Canes' Aho to offer sheet (8 years, $8.54 AAV) - Ahope they don't match

 

[MarkovsKnee]

At the moment I'm writing this post... we have exactly the same number of messages.Which is weird.

This post broke the equality.Your response will bring it back.

Lol. Cool. I joined in 2007 and you joined in 2010 tho.