Prospect Info: Filip Mesar

[26Mats]

Perron > Pacioretty.

Another prevalent HF-Habsism 1 year post draft.

Is there a past example of a prospect that produced so little in his d+1 year in the OHL and went in to have a top 6 NHL career? Pacioretty was only producing so much, but in the NCAA.

I'm not writing Mesar off, just wondering.

 

[Vachon23]

Perron > Pacioretty.

Another prevalent HF-Habsism 1 year post draft.

Most of us had Kulich way before Mesar in their list and we where disappointed we didn't take him.

And Kulich D1 was really solid playing awesome in both the AHL and the WJC, so I think it's normal we will see comparaison

 

[WeThreeKings]

Is there a past example of a prospect that produced so little in his d+1 year in the OHL and went in to have a top 6 NHL career? Pacioretty was only producing so much, but in the NCAA.

I'm not writing Mesar off, just wondering.

I'm sure there are but the examples are going to be limited since it's not super common for players to come from Europe to NA after their draft year, most come from the import prior to, and do their adjustment earlier.

Most of us had Kulich way before Mesar in their list and we where disappointed we didn't take him.

And Kulich D1 was really solid playing awesome in both the AHL and the WJC, so I think it's normal we will see comparaison

Yeah it's a normal comparison, but the wrist slitting doesn't need to happen every day and maybe some people can sit on it and wait for way more data on it.

It's entirely possible that Mesar's progression goes on a steep upward curve and Kulich is maximized and is just a really good AHL scorer.

There's so much runway left that it isn't worth lamenting at this point. Breathe.

 

[26Mats]

I'm sure there are but the examples are going to be limited since it's not super common for players to come from Europe to NA after their draft year, most come from the import prior to, and do their adjustment earlier.

If you ever come across one, please share.

 

[jaffy27]

Perron > Pacioretty.

Another prevalent HF-Habsism 1 year post draft.

Veilleux>Subban
Esposito>McDonaugh

The list is long….

 

[WeThreeKings]

Veilleux>Subban
Esposito>McDonaugh

The list is long….

It's long and I just find it funny a bit.

Poehling is mediocre everywhere and has a big WJC, people vote him over Suzuki as our best prospect.

Mesar has a really good pre-season, and starts off his OHL career with a bang, and has a really good WJC.. but then the fact that he didn't obliterate a PPG pace in his first OHL season, means he's a bust.

People will always look for one data point to be overwhelmingly negative on a player and ignore anything else that might be contrary to that negative view.

Now if his D+2 year is a similar struggle, then I'd get some of the concerns, but as of right now, we've had multiple data points of high skill level and being able to show that skill level against top tier competition.. and we have plenty of reasons to understand why the adaptation process might not be easy for him - he thought he should start in the AHL, he's away from Europe and his family for the first time and has a cultural adaptation to make, the Kitchener coaching situation was a disaster for awhile.

 

[Habs Icing]

Veilleux>Subban
Esposito>McDonaugh

The list is long….

How long, Johnny?
As long as a pickpocket's arm.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Is there a past example of a prospect that produced so little in his d+1 year in the OHL and went in to have a top 6 NHL career? Pacioretty was only producing so much, but in the NCAA.

I'm not writing Mesar off, just wondering.

JT Miller, Debrusk, Rakell, Cirelli, etc.

 

[26Mats]

JT Miller, Debrusk, Rakell, Cirelli, etc.

Thanks for sharing. Good examples.

 

[muzion]

This dude who talks about prospects on JiC, mentioned a couple months ago that Mesar and Beck were traded to the worst situations in the OHL, according to a scout. I'm guessing someone posted it in the thread. All types of in-fighting among other things are happenning on these teams, especially Kitchener during the regular season. That would explain the lack of production, so people need to chill and wait for next year.

 

[danyhabsfan]

It's long and I just find it funny a bit.

Poehling is mediocre everywhere and has a big WJC, people vote him over Suzuki as our best prospect.

Mesar has a really good pre-season, and starts off his OHL career with a bang, and has a really good WJC.. but then the fact that he didn't obliterate a PPG pace in his first OHL season, means he's a bust.

People will always look for one data point to be overwhelmingly negative on a player and ignore anything else that might be contrary to that negative view.

Now if his D+2 year is a similar struggle, then I'd get some of the concerns, but as of right now, we've had multiple data points of high skill level and being able to show that skill level against top tier competition.. and we have plenty of reasons to understand why the adaptation process might not be easy for him - he thought he should start in the AHL, he's away from Europe and his family for the first time and has a cultural adaptation to make, the Kitchener coaching situation was a disaster for awhile.

really?

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Thank god I voted for Caufield

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Why the impatience?

 

[danyhabsfan]

really?

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Thank god I voted for Caufield

 

[junyab]

This dude who talks about prospects on JiC, mentioned a couple months ago that Mesar and Beck were traded to the worst situations in the OHL, according to a scout. I'm guessing someone posted it in the thread. All types of in-fighting among other things are happenning on these teams, especially Kitchener during the regular season. That would explain the lack of production, so people need to chill and wait for next year.

I've mentioned the shit-show in Kitchener many times over the season. Problems everywhere.

That aside. I watched the Knights/Rangers game yesterday and Mesar looked dynamic on the PP. Great vision and offensive IQ. It could've easily been a 3pt night for him.

 

[Ozmodiar]

really?

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Thank god I voted for Caufield

LOL
Yikes

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I've mentioned the shit-show in Kitchener many times over the season. Problems everywhere.

That aside. I watched the Knights/Rangers game yesterday and Mesar looked dynamic on the PP. Great vision and offensive IQ. It could've easily been a 3pt night for him.

On the one power play he set up 2 teammates who failed to convert and missed 2 good chances himself.

 

[Seb]

I haven't watched or followed Mesar at all, is he comparable to Jan Buils?

 

[Film Noir]

On the one power play he set up 2 teammates who failed to convert and missed 2 good chances himself.

Sounds like Drouin.

 

[montreal]

I haven't watched or followed Mesar at all, is he comparable to Jan Buils?

lol, haven't heard that name in a while but no nothing alike. Mesar reminds me a bit of Reway but much quicker, better skater but perhaps not as good of a playmaker.

 

[jaffy27]

really?

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Thank god I voted for Caufield

I dont see my name in the Poehling column so good

 

[Bombshell11]

Ooofff, 1 goal in 20 shots for Filip, thats not good.
He definitely went on a bit of a slump after the Juniors.

Its gotta be a lack of motivation, poor training. He really needs to have a strong camp otherwise im afraid they'll send him to the OHL again and that might be the end for Mesar and the Habs.

I was not a fan of the pick initially but when i saw the skills in those videos, i understood why they picked him.. but these playoffs have raised some question marks for me. His shooting got worst over time... thats inexcusable.

Filip, wake the f up. No partying this off-season... only gym, gym and gym. You train at the gym, you sleep at the gym, you shower at the gym.

Smarten up

 

[MasterD]

Ooofff, 1 goal in 20 shots for Filip, thats not good.
He definitely went on a bit of a slump after the Juniors.

Its gotta be a lack of motivation, poor training. He really needs to have a strong camp otherwise im afraid they'll send him to the OHL again and that might be the end for Mesar and the Habs.

I was not a fan of the pick initially but when i saw the skills in those videos, i understood why they picked him.. but these playoffs have raised some question marks for me. His shooting got worst over time... thats inexcusable.

Filip, wake the f up. No partying this off-season... only gym, gym and gym. You train at the gym, you sleep at the gym, you shower at the gym.

Smarten up

That could be it.

But if you've ever worked in a bad work environment, then you know it could be the team. Your work productivity can take a plunge with no fault of your own, just environment and ambiance. Adn leadership (coach).

Look at Caufield under Ducharme...

 

[Pacciosoftie]

Ooofff, 1 goal in 20 shots for Filip, thats not good.
He definitely went on a bit of a slump after the Juniors.

Its gotta be a lack of motivation, poor training. He really needs to have a strong camp otherwise im afraid they'll send him to the OHL again and that might be the end for Mesar and the Habs.

I was not a fan of the pick initially but when i saw the skills in those videos, i understood why they picked him.. but these playoffs have raised some question marks for me. His shooting got worst over time... thats inexcusable.

Filip, wake the f up. No partying this off-season... only gym, gym and gym. You train at the gym, you sleep at the gym, you shower at the gym.

Smarten up

Damn, you know things are going bad for him when his biggest supporter and groupie starts bashing him…

But anyways, I actually think he’d do better in AHL. If he puts in the work this offseason, I can see him doing well on the Rocket. So many times this year he’d set up beautiful plays that his teammates couldn’t convert.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Is it a physical adjustment to North America hockey, or a mental adjustment?

Going from being one of the top hockey players for your country as a 17 year old vs being middle of the pack amongst your 16-18 year old peers must be a rude wake up call for his ego

 

[Natey]

I haven't watched or followed Mesar at all, is he comparable to Jan Buils?

Bulis was a f***ing great player until his dad gave him an ego lol