Player Discussion Filip Chytil

[Gardner McKay]

Unimpressive probably due to an inflated ego thinking the 2C was his. Apparently took the demotion like a champ. Chytil is in the AHL now instead of Howden, Lias, McKegg, Smith or Haley. Which is insane. Howden had just as many points, Lias never has done anything production wise. The best players play.

Better to be the worse player on an NHL team hanging out with better players you can learn form than be a 20 year old on a team full of men that you skillfully embarrass every night and are leaps and bounds the best guy on the squad.

The bold... that right there is why he deserved to start in the AHL.

 

[MetalJaws]

Production is not how Quinn judges ice time. Nor should he.

MgKegg, Smith, haley are all 4t liners, not where anyone wants Chytil to be.

Quinn doesn't judge a top 6 player by production? Well we might have just found the issue with our lack of depth scoring.

I don't think Lias is a 4th liner. I also think Lias deserved to get a shot in the NHL and made the team with his effort. I think he's better on the NHL in a 4th line roll than in the AHL.

 

[MetalJaws]

The bold... that right there is why he deserved to start in the AHL.

Right, and how has he responded? Time for Quinn to put away the ego and bring em up. See if he can help in some capacity. Either stop the bleeding defensively or chip in Offensively.

 

[True Blue]

Being on a bus at 20, the best player on the team and constantly surrounded by a bunch of men who have a small chance of ever sniffing the NHL is not nearly as good as being on a plane, one of the youngest guys on the team being a sponge and learning from the best on how to handle assignments. Practice with the best, become better.

Wait, now developing in the minors is bad? Then why bother having an AHL at all? And further, there are others there now that are also considered long term in the Rangers plans. I mean seriously, if being in the minors is bad then why have it? Or why have other players keep playing in leagues that are abroad? Most of those players will never sniff the NHL? Or frankly why bother sending kids to play in college? Most of their teammates will never sniff the NHL.

Chytil isn't some 18 year old child. He has proven the AHL is not where he belongs. While others on the current team seem to be proven it is where they belong.

No, he is a 20 year old who has had a handful of good AHL games. That is called proving himself?

 

[True Blue]

Quinn doesn't judge a top 6 player by production? Well we might have just found the issue with our lack of depth scoring.

He pretty clearly stated last year and this year that there are non negotiable things. You an disagree with him all you want. And the lack of depth scoring is a byproduct of the personnel on the ice.

I don't think Lias is a 4th liner. I also think Lias deserved to get a shot in the NHL and made the team with his effort. I think he's better on the NHL in a 4th line roll than in the AHL.

Clearly the coaching staff and the management team think that Chytil is better off developing in at the AHL right now.

 

[ThirdEye]

He's accumulated 39 points in 52 AHL games so far... I would say that's proving yourself. Is it dominant though? Not really, but you can make a good case either way whether to being him up or not

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

He's accumulated 39 points in 52 AHL games so far... I would say that's proving yourself. Is it dominant though? Not really, but you can make a good case either way whether to being him up or not

I also think that what ultimately gets him called up may not be visible by his scoring numbers.

 

[Kovalev27]

There is a big difference between doubting him and wanting him to develop properly and having patience.

That is fine to have your belief. Others believe that he is not a center long-term. Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. This is a rebuilding team still. There is no desperate need to draft anyone other then the best player available.

Perform at that level for more than a handful of games.

so your comments about him at center is exactly what I said People doubting him here a lot. Doubting that he can be a top 6 centerman. That he should be a winger. I mean why? Because he performed at wing? He’s good. So of course he can look good on the wing. Mika would look good on the wing too. But he’s a center. Chytil is a stud 20 year old center prospect dominating the A. Just is.

go look at what he did as a center in 40 games as an 18 year old in the A. This isn’t a handful of games. Right now he’s dominating over a handful of games but he’s always produced when given those top center mins. He’s clearly too good to be playing there and if Howden and Lias can develop on the fly here while producing nothing I much rather give the actual 2C prospect those top 6 mins.

 

[Kovalev27]

I think we're all happy he's tearing up the AHL... that being said, if the coaches feel he's there to work on the things he needs in order to be a CENTER, then I have no issue with leaving him there until the staff feels he's ready. Which WILL occur at some point this yr (not season, this year).

It's not tough to digest what's going on and how it is a very GOOD Thing.

I think theres the potential for him to be our 2C and hes showing great progress in the AHL, but just as he didnt earn it in the pre-season, there's always the potential for him to miss his potential. So people are saying draft another center, because that's our weakest position.

anyone that read my posts from cut day will tell you I was all in favor of sending him down. But to do what he’s just done and come back up when he’s proven he can crush that level. He’s done that. He’s done it while playing a two way game and getting his confidence back. Time to bring him up and send down Howden or Lias who both are struggling to make any kind of impact.

 

[duhmetreE]

anyone that read my posts from cut day will tell you I was all in favor of sending him down. But to do what he’s just done and come back up when he’s proven he can crush that level. He’s done that. He’s done it while playing a two way game and getting his confidence back. Time to bring him up and send down Howden or Lias who both are struggling to make any kind of impact.

Yes, lets swap Lias and Chytil so he can play with an ECHLer and a Defenseman.

It would be an actual upgrade for Lias.... sadly. Lias would get a shot at the 2C before they call up Chytil as the 2C IMO

 

[Kovalev27]

Yes, lets swap Lias and Chytil so he can play with an ECHLer and a Defenseman.

It would be an actual upgrade for Lias.... sadly. Lias would get a shot at the 2C before they call up Chytil as the 2C IMO

nobody wants Chytil on the 4th line obviously. You just need to send one down to make room.

 

[duhmetreE]

nobody wants Chytil on the 4th line obviously. You just need to send one down to make room.

I understand what's wanted around here but there's a difference with what would actually happen.

I really doubt Quinn just plugs him in at 2C

 

[True Blue]

so your comments about him at center is exactly what I said People doubting him here a lot. Doubting that he can be a top 6 centerman. That he should be a winger. I mean why? Because he performed at wing? He’s good. So of course he can look good on the wing. Mika would look good on the wing too. But he’s a center.

Chytil is a stud 20 year old center prospect dominating the A. Just is.

For a handful of games.

He’s clearly too good to be playing there and if Howden and Lias can develop on the fly here while producing nothing I much rather give the actual 2C prospect those top 6 mins.

That is not doubting. That is thinking of what long term success may be. [/QUOTE]
If he is that dominant, then let's see him continue to dominate. What does it tell you that management and coaches all think that he can benefit from more time there?

 

[Edge]

I'm fairly okay with Chytil spreading his wings and getting into a groove with Hartford before he comes back --- and I have no doubt he will be back.

That applies to a number of players in Hartford right now. I'm all for letting them get settled, get on a roll, and then bringing them up. As much as possible, I'd like to avoid the yo-yo approach. It may happen anyway, but I don't really see tremendous benefit at this particular point in time.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Is he really a stud prospect at this point? Do people think he ahs the same high ceiling they were saying when we drafted him?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Is he really a stud prospect at this point? Do people think he ahs the same high ceiling they were saying when we drafted him?

What’s changed? He wasn’t completely ready at 20 years old?

 

[rangersfansince08]

What’s changed? He wasn’t completely ready at 20 years old?

I personally think he is going to be a great 2C. But people have soured on him due to the 23 points last year and getting demoted. We keep on talking about drafting our 2C of the future when he is probably on the roster.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I personally think he is going to be a great 2C. But people have soured on him due to the 23 points last year and getting demoted. We keep on talking about drafting our 2C of the future when he is probably on the roster.

The summer has made a lot of people less patient

 

[ThirdEye]

From what I remember there were some questions about his fundamentals... Lots of flubbed passes and inability to hold on to the puck for any extended amount of time. There were legit concerns but also something that's not uncommon for players his age breaking into the league

 

[CasusBelli]

I'm fairly okay with Chytil spreading his wings and getting into a groove with Hartford before he comes back --- and I have no doubt he will be back.

That applies to a number of players in Hartford right now. I'm all for letting them get settled, get on a roll, and then bringing them up. As much as possible, I'd like to avoid the yo-yo approach. It may happen anyway, but I don't really see tremendous benefit at this particular point in time.

I’d be happy to keep him in the AHL until game 60–70. Let him dominate consistently. Then he’ll be a 2/3 ppg player when he comes up.

 

[True Blue]

But people have soured on him due to the 23 points last year and getting demoted. We keep on talking about drafting our 2C of the future when he is probably on the roster.

I do not think anyone soured on him as much as people are willing to be patient with a 20 year old and want him to have prolonged success at the AHL level first.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

People have been dying to bring him up since they heard he was being sent down. Really? The guy didn’t show shit in the preseason has a few good games down there and all of a sudden it’s blasphemous that he’s still down there. Leave him. At least for the month of October it’s not like he’s going to come in and make us a playoff team.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I'm fairly okay with Chytil spreading his wings and getting into a groove with Hartford before he comes back --- and I have no doubt he will be back.

That applies to a number of players in Hartford right now. I'm all for letting them get settled, get on a roll, and then bringing them up. As much as possible, I'd like to avoid the yo-yo approach. It may happen anyway, but I don't really see tremendous benefit at this particular point in time.

I agree. Let them stay in an environment that finally has good team structure and winning hockey. There's nothing on the Rangers for them right now, so it's better for us in the long run if they stay and keep doing well with Knoblauch.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Can we call up Knoblauch and send Quinn down?

 

[Fvital92]

I agree. Let them stay in an environment that finally has good team structure and winning hockey. There's nothing on the Rangers for them right now, so it's better for us in the long run if they stay and keep doing well with Knoblauch.

So far he showed more than 8 forwards that made the team.