Player Discussion Filip Chytil

[True Blue]

Kid is barely 20 and dominating the A at the center ice position. I think he should be up by now but this kid is clearly the 2C answer for us. Just a matter of when.

Why the rush?

 

[MetalJaws]

Why the rush?

He played a lot of minutes last year in the NHL and can handle 2nd line C. He's far more offensively sound than Howden, Lias and Strome. He can learn D when he's up here although the coaches in Hartford are all better than Ruff.

He has been the obvious 2C option since the end of last season. Sending him down because he had a bad camp and preseason was a lesson on not taking anything for granted.

He will also surely elevate Krieder and Kakko with his board play and Offense IQ.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

He played a lot of minutes last year in the NHL and can handle 2nd line C. He's far more offensively sound than Howden, Lias and Strome. He can learn D when he's up here although the coaches in Hartford are all better than Ruff.

He has been the obvious 2C option since the end of last season. Sending him down because he had a bad camp and preseason was a lesson on not taking anything for granted.

He will also surely elevate Krieder and Kakko with his board play and Offense IQ.

What is the goal here? To win or to develop him properly?

 

[Leetch3]

He played a lot of minutes last year in the NHL and can handle 2nd line C. He's far more offensively sound than Howden, Lias and Strome. He can learn D when he's up here although the coaches in Hartford are all better than Ruff.

He has been the obvious 2C option since the end of last season. Sending him down because he had a bad camp and preseason was a lesson on not taking anything for granted.

He will also surely elevate Krieder and Kakko with his board play and Offense IQ.

his lots of minutes in the NHL last year, none were as the 2C and almost none were at center at all. so that experience as a bottom 6 winger means little in terms of knowing he is ready to handle 2C in the nhl. and being better than the other options also doesn't mean he is ready to handle it.

 

[MetalJaws]

What is the goal here? To win or to develop him properly?

What's the goal with Lias or Howden?

Chytil is leaps and bounds the better player. The best players should play in the NHL. The goal is to ice the best possible team.

You think Howden and Lias are growing right now? We're def not winning anything regardless. Their will be growing pains sure. Strome, Lias and Howden have almost zero offensive skill or chemistry with Kreider and Kakko. They're not creative with the puck. They don't have Chytils board control.

He's also making the AHL look like a mens league. Could Howden and Lias make it look that way?

 

[MetalJaws]

his lots of minutes in the NHL last year, none were as the 2C and almost none were at center at all. so that experience as a bottom 6 winger means little in terms of knowing he is ready to handle 2C in the nhl. and being better than the other options also doesn't mean he is ready to handle it.

I agree he might not be able to handle it. However, he has showed he can handle the AHL in a small sample size. He can also handle NHL min and keep up. Lias and Howden seem to be struggling. No reason to crush the confidence of those two. Lias would be a good bottom 6 forward anywhere on this team and Howden might be able to handle 4c and PK as well.

Rangers need to get the 2nd line going. They need a spark. Chytil is in the position to prove Rangers management wrong for not letting him make opening night roster and has a chip on his shoulder thinking he was THE guy for the 2C role.

He's tearin up the AHL. Rangers need offense.

 

[True Blue]

He will also surely elevate Krieder and Kakko with his board play and Offense IQ.

A 20 year old will elevate Kreider's game? AND Kakko's at the same time? Talk about being set up for failure. The goal is to build a long term winner, not instant gratification. Let him marinate and get even more confidence. Make him knock the door down. Then, bring him up. let's see him produce through Thanksgiving.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

What's the goal with Lias or Howden?

That's not an answer. But my guess is they feel that both are more polished defensively.

Chytil is leaps and bounds the better player. The best players should play in the NHL. The goal is to ice the best possible team.

This is hyperbole and opinion.

You think Howden and Lias are growing right now? We're def not winning anything regardless. Their will be growing pains sure. Strome, Lias and Howden have almost zero offensive skill or chemistry with Kreider and Kakko. They're not creative with the puck. They don't have Chytils board control.

Do I think they're growing? Yes. I also think the Rangers have hire expectations for Chytil. I don't know how they're lack of chemistry with Some or Kakko as some sort of endorsement for Chytil. But I do think that the lack of chemistry on the second line is a product of the convoluted schedule.

He's also making the AHL look like a mens league. Could Howden and Lias make it look that way?

I'm not understanding what this means.

 

[MetalJaws]

A 20 year old will elevate Kreider's game? AND Kakko's at the same time? Talk about being set up for failure. The goal is to build a long term winner, not instant gratification. Let him marinate and get even more confidence. Make him knock the door down. Then, bring him up. let's see him produce through Thanksgiving.

I'd be fine with doing that with Lias or Howden. Lias who struggled in the A and Howden who hardly played in it, both at barely 21 years old. Are those 2 set up for failure as well?

Best players should play. It was Chytils spot to lose, he lost it due to prob some swagger and cockiness. The Rangers are struggling with depth scoring. See how he handles it. He's obviously too good for the AHL. Scored 23 points as a rookie in the NHL last year at 19. He'll grow up just fine in the NHL where he'll play against better competition.

 

[mulli25]

Why the rush?

Agreed. I'd keep him down there until around Thanksgiving

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I would be very happy to see Howden and Chytil switch in a few weeks. Howden could use some big minutes down there.

 

[Kovalev27]

I would be very happy to see Howden and Chytil switch in a few weeks. Howden could use some big minutes down there.

Id like to see them switch right now. Howden could really use that time.

Chytil is way to good for the AHL. He’s been tremendous for them. Playing Howden as the 2C is crazy right now.

 

[True Blue]

I'd be fine with doing that with Lias or Howden. Lias who struggled in the A and Howden who hardly played in it, both at barely 21 years old. Are those 2 set up for failure as well?

Lias and Howden are not asked to elevate anyone's game.

Best players should play. It was Chytils spot to lose, he lost it due to prob some swagger and cockiness. The Rangers are struggling with depth scoring. See how he handles it. He's obviously too good for the AHL. Scored 23 points as a rookie in the NHL last year at 19. He'll grow up just fine in the NHL where he'll play against better competition.

I would think that the coached would be in a better position to see who is ready or not ready to play. And what it takes. Which is the approach that they are taking with these very young players.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I'd be fine with doing that with Lias or Howden. Lias who struggled in the A and Howden who hardly played in it, both at barely 21 years old. Are those 2 set up for failure as well?

Best players should play. .

Your mantra works for a lot of situations involving veterans. It fails miserably when trying to decide what to do with a prospect who is EXTREMELY young, still inexperienced and in need of some more seasoning for a very specific, very important role.

You are not reasonably considering the possibility that certain parts of his game were lacking to such a severe degree that the organization felt it would be best for him to practice those aspects of his game in the minors instead of against the literal best in the world.

You are not considering the completely different skillsets and abilities of the players in question.

You are not considering that some prospects are ready at the ages of 20-22 like Howden and others need to grow more at 19-20 like Chytil

You also are not considering that it doesn't matter if this team loses at the moment. It's supposed to lose. The goal is to be ready for the next 3-6 years (before Panarin and Trouba fall off the planet due to age... (which could happen 2 years from now for all we know. But that's another issue entirely).

You are doing a classic apples to oranges comparison.

 

[rangersfansince08]

3 G 5 A in 6 games along with a +8. I think he is our 2C of the future. Can see a 30-30 guy if everything works out.

 

[MetalJaws]

Your mantra works for a lot of situations involving veterans. It fails miserably when trying to decide what to do with a prospect who is EXTREMELY young, still inexperienced and in need of some more seasoning for a very specific, very important role.

You are not reasonably considering the possibility that certain parts of his game were lacking to such a severe degree that the organization felt it would be best for him to practice those aspects of his game in the minors instead of against the literal best in the world.

You are not considering the completely different skillsets and abilities of the players in question.

You are not considering that some prospects are ready at the ages of 20-22 like Howden and others need to grow more at 19-20 like Chytil

You also are not considering that it doesn't matter if this team loses at the moment. It's supposed to lose. The goal is to be ready for the next 3-6 years (before Panarin and Trouba fall off the planet due to age... (which could happen 2 years from now for all we know. But that's another issue entirely).

You are doing a classic apples to oranges comparison.

Chytil played 70 games in the NHL as a 19 year old. He can keep up just fine and is making the AHL look easy. He will need better competition very soon. Defense assignments are learned at any level. He was a minus 2o something last year, just as bad as Howden. Young players usually get bad D numbers. You think Howden is ready for the NHL? He suffers just as bad on D as Chytil if not worse.

This is apples to apples. Lias, Howden and Chytil are all on the same plane with similar experiences and within the same age group. Chytil is the better player of the 3.

No team in the NHL wants to lose, ever. The Rangers are not supposed to lose with the acquisitions of Trouba, Panarin and Fox. They're supposed to take the next step with this new leadership group and help the young guys get more acclimated to the NHL. Chytil will benefit greatly from Zib and Panarin. He will learn more at the NHL level than the AHL.

 

[Kovalev27]

If Chytil wasn’t rushed to the NHL, and we had a Barely 20 year old 6’2 210 lb centerman That’s done what he’s done to this point in the AHL we’d all be lauding him as the 1 or 2C of the future. Imagine if this was even just 3 seasons ago he’d be looked at as the future franchise player.

for some reason he’s doubted here ALOT. All I keep reading is we need to draft a 2C desperately we don’t have one in the system. To me it’s clear as day that Chytil is that guy

I’m not sure what more you want him to do down there. He’s a plus 8 he’s been their best two way center man while leading them in scoring .

 

[Gardner McKay]

Chytil played 70 games in the NHL as a 19 year old. He can keep up just fine and is making the AHL look easy. He will need better competition very soon. Defense assignments are learned at any level. He was a minus 2o something last year, just as bad as Howden. Young players usually get bad D numbers. You think Howden is ready for the NHL? He suffers just as bad on D as Chytil if not worse.

This is apples to apples. Lias, Howden and Chytil are all on the same plane with similar experiences and within the same age group. Chytil is the better player of the 3.

No team in the NHL wants to lose, ever. The Rangers are not supposed to lose with the acquisitions of Trouba, Panarin and Fox. They're supposed to take the next step with this new leadership group and help the young guys get more acclimated to the NHL. Chytil will benefit greatly from Zib and Panarin. He will learn more at the NHL level than the AHL.

And he has what to show for it? 23 points in 75 games?

The Rangers, even by JD and JG's own admissions are not expected to be a playoff team. They acknowledged that the timeline was sped up a bit, but they keep talking about how it is a process.

Chytil was unimpressive in the preseason. I am glad he his dominating in the AHL. Give him a bit more time. He has higher expectations than the other two.

 

[IDvsEGO]

If Chytil wasn’t rushed to the NHL, and we had a Barely 20 year old 6’2 210 lb centerman That’s done what he’s done to this point in the AHL we’d all be lauding him as the 1 or 2C of the future. Imagine if this was even just 3 seasons ago he’d be looked at as the future franchise player.

for some reason he’s doubted here ALOT. All I keep reading is we need to draft a 2C desperately we don’t have one in the system. To me it’s clear as day that Chytil is that guy

I’m not sure what more you want him to do down there. He’s a plus 8 he’s been their best two way center man while leading them in scoring .

I think theres the potential for him to be our 2C and hes showing great progress in the AHL, but just as he didnt earn it in the pre-season, there's always the potential for him to miss his potential. So people are saying draft another center, because that's our weakest position.

 

[True Blue]

for some reason he’s doubted here ALOT.

There is a big difference between doubting him and wanting him to develop properly and having patience.

All I keep reading is we need to draft a 2C desperately we don’t have one in the system. To me it’s clear as day that Chytil is that guy

That is fine to have your belief. Others believe that he is not a center long-term. Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. This is a rebuilding team still. There is no desperate need to draft anyone other then the best player available.

I’m not sure what more you want him to do down there.

Perform at that level for more than a handful of games.

 

[LORDE]

I think we're all happy he's tearing up the AHL... that being said, if the coaches feel he's there to work on the things he needs in order to be a CENTER, then I have no issue with leaving him there until the staff feels he's ready. Which WILL occur at some point this yr (not season, this year).

It's not tough to digest what's going on and how it is a very GOOD Thing.

 

[MetalJaws]

And he has what to show for it? 23 points in 75 games?

The Rangers, even by JD and JG's own admissions are not expected to be a playoff team. They acknowledged that the timeline was sped up a bit, but they keep talking about how it is a process.

Chytil was unimpressive in the preseason. I am glad he his dominating in the AHL. Give him a bit more time. He has higher expectations than the other two.

Unimpressive probably due to an inflated ego thinking the 2C was his. Apparently took the demotion like a champ. Chytil is in the AHL now instead of Howden, Lias, McKegg, Smith or Haley. Which is insane. Howden had just as many points, Lias never has done anything production wise. The best players play.

Better to be the worse player on an NHL team hanging out with better players you can learn form than be a 20 year old on a team full of men that you skillfully embarrass every night and are leaps and bounds the best guy on the squad.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Better to be the worse player on an NHL team hanging out with better players you can learn form than be a 20 year old on a team full of men that you skillfully embarrass every night and are leaps and bounds the best guy on the squad.

Debatable

 

[True Blue]

Unimpressive probably due to an inflated ego thinking the 2C was his. Apparently took the demotion like a champ. Chytil is in the AHL now instead of Howden, Lias, McKegg, Smith or Haley. Which is insane. Howden had just as many points, Lias never has done anything production wise. The best players play.

Production is not how Quinn judges ice time. Nor should he.

MgKegg, Smith, haley are all 4t liners, not where anyone wants Chytil to be.

Better to be the worse player on an NHL team hanging out with better players you can learn form than be a 20 year old on a team full of men that you skillfully embarrass every night and are leaps and bounds the best guy on the squad.

Proper development has been proven to help young players, not with whom they hang out with.

 

[MetalJaws]

Proper development has been proven to help young players, not with whom they hang out with.

Being on a bus at 20, the best player on the team and constantly surrounded by a bunch of men who have a small chance of ever sniffing the NHL is not nearly as good as being on a plane, one of the youngest guys on the team being a sponge and learning from the best on how to handle assignments. Practice with the best, become better. Chytil isn't some 18 year old child. He has proven the AHL is not where he belongs. While others on the current team seem to be proven it is where they belong.