Player Discussion Filip Chytil

[Shesterkybomb]

I like Chytil but I still believe in the long run Andersson will be a better fit at center. Not this year but eventually. I still feel we stole him on his draft day, he is pretty young but I kinda feel we will look at him like we did kreider one day, as a player we felt had the tools to do more but was a good player anyway.

 

[n8]

I like Chytil but I still believe in the long run Andersson will be a better fit at center. Not this year but eventually. I still feel we stole him on his draft day, he is pretty young but I kinda feel we will look at him like we did kreider one day, as a player we felt had the tools to do more but was a good player anyway.

Meh, I would have preferred if Vancouver "stole" him and Pettersson dropped to us instead. Or Makar, Heiskanen, Patrick, or Hischier. Jury is still out on Glass vs Andersson but Cody is looking rather studly.

 

[Alluckks]

We need some good insider info here

Someone go get the job as a Rangers massage therapist and describe us how much it feels like Chytil's muscles and 'filling out' has developed

Thanks in advance

 

[will1066]

Creepy

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Meh, I would have preferred if Vancouver "stole" him and Pettersson dropped to us instead. Or Makar, Heiskanen, Patrick, or Hischier. Jury is still out on Glass vs Andersson but Cody is looking rather studly.

What makes Glass a stud?

 

[n8]

What makes Glass a stud?

he isn't electric but he is a very smooth player, effortless stride, defensively responsible, smooth but quick shot, kind reminds me of Stevie Y. My only doubt is what looks to be smooth against junior competition actually translates to just too slow at the NHL level. The fact that he can play defense means he can actually find success with the VGK on the 4th line. I think he'll put up 30+ points in his rookie season. More if he is getting 3rd line ice time. Very different player than Lias.

 

[bl02]

he isn't electric but he is a very smooth player, effortless stride, defensively responsible, smooth but quick shot, kind reminds me of Stevie Y. My only doubt is what looks to be smooth against junior competition actually translates to just too slow at the NHL level. The fact that he can play defense means he can actually find success with the VGK on the 4th line. I think he'll put up 30+ points in his rookie season. More if he is getting 3rd line ice time. Very different player than Lias.

If Glass becomes a beast as well its gonna add even more insult to injury. Literally two guys before us picking Lias becoming stud players. Actually 4 if you count the two terrific dmen who went 3/4.
I believe the Rangers were high on Makar, Pettersson but not sure about Glass.

 

[haveandare]

If Glass becomes a beast as well its gonna add even more insult to injury. Literally two guys before us picking Lias becoming stud players. Actually 4 if you count the two terrific dmen who went 3/4.
I believe the Rangers were high on Makar, Pettersson but not sure about Glass.

I remember hearing at the time they really liked Glass.

Still, the jury is out on both. Lias would likely put up gaudy numbers in juniors at this point also.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

he isn't electric but he is a very smooth player, effortless stride, defensively responsible, smooth but quick shot, kind reminds me of Stevie Y. My only doubt is what looks to be smooth against junior competition actually translates to just too slow at the NHL level. The fact that he can play defense means he can actually find success with the VGK on the 4th line. I think he'll put up 30+ points in his rookie season. More if he is getting 3rd line ice time. Very different player than Lias.

So if Glass puts up 30 points at age 20/21 in his rookie season, is that more impressive than Lias putting up 30 points at age 20/21 in his 3rd pro season? It would basically be the same season for them but the Rangers decided to bring Lias over and not let him develop in the environment where he played before being drafted (Like VGS did with Glass)

I am not saying Lias and Glass will be on the same level because it's impossible to predict, but... And this is my point: Ranger fans seem to forget that Lias is only 20 and is 2 years removed from his draft. Him playing in the AHL makes it seem like he's older than guys like Glass, Tippett and Vilardi and expectations are higher for him than for others from the same draft year due to this.

We have complained about Lias being slow, but what about Glass? We don't even know how he will do in the NHL. Glass was ranked as a top-10 NHL prospect by TSN. I wonder where Lias would have ranked if he was playing in Sweden for 2 years and developed there, in a familiar environment. I'm 99% sure he would have a much better reputation if that was the case

 

[Ghost of jas]

I remember hearing at the time they really liked Glass.

Still, the jury is out on both. Lias would likely put up gaudy numbers in juniors at this point also.

I’m pretty sure Bobby Mac had the Rangers liking Glass at #2 behind Pettersson and in front of Andersson, with Suzuki 4th.

 

[n8]

So if Glass puts up 30 points at age 20/21 in his rookie season, is that more impressive than Lias putting up 30 points at age 20/23 in his 3rd pro season? It would basically be the same season for them but the Rangers decided to bring Lias over and not let him develop in the environment where he played before being drafted (Like VGS did with Glass)

I am not saying Lias and Glass will be on the same level because it's impossible to predict, but... And this is my point: Ranger fans seem to forget that Lias is only 20 and is 2 years removed from his draft. Him playing in the AHL makes it seem like he's older than guys like Glass, Tippett and Vilardi and expectations are higher for him than for others from the same draft year due to this.

We have complained about Lias being slow, but what about Glass? We don't even know how he will do in the NHL. Glass was ranked as a top-10 NHL prospect by TSN. I wonder where Lias would have ranked if he was playing in Sweden for 2 years and developed there, in a familiar environment. I'm 99% sure he would have a much better reputation if that was the case

I'd put them even if they both put up the same points at the same age. We can say that Lias is no Elias Pettersson. That much we can tell. Cody Glass could jump in and show that much flare but no one really knows yet. Lias could still go a slow Zibanejad-like career trajectory but that will take like 6 years to see through.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I am not saying Lias and Glass will be on the same level because it's impossible to predict, but... And this is my point: Ranger fans seem to forget that Lias is only 20 and is 2 years removed from his draft.

I think you nailed the primary flaw with most of this boards evaluation of lias.

He does lack in pure athletic talent which is a real bad sign for his development but he's got two or three years to drastically improve there

 

[Harbour Dog]

Why are we comparing Glass to Lias?

If Glass were available, we would of taken him.

Vilardi, Tippett, Mittelstadt, etc., would seem to be more fair comparisons for Lias. I would be surprised if there is a single GM in the league who wouldn't take Glass over Lias right now.

And that's not to say that Lias hasn't done well; he has. But he wasn't touted in the same way that Glass was pre-draft, and neither of them have really jumped ahead or dropped back much from that time.

 

[offdacrossbar]

looks to me that the message being sent to filip is improve your play away from the puck.

talented players are valuable when they have the puck. however, you need to be good when you dont have it- which is most of the time actually.

filips play away from the puck isnt good. and thats as a winger. project that to the 2C and thats why hes in hartford.

at every level of hockey, the players get better and more talented. its what you do when you dont have the puck that makes you valuable. even if super talented, hockey IQ and 2 way play is equally important.

chad made the team. so did howden. thats why they are here and chytl isnt.

 

[Fugazy]

I was happy to hear that Quinn said Chytil took his demotion like a pro. I think this can only be a good learning experience for him getting top line minutes in the AHL.

 

[CasusBelli]

looks to me that the message being sent to filip is improve your play away from the puck.

talented players are valuable when they have the puck. however, you need to be good when you dont have it- which is most of the time actually.

filips play away from the puck isnt good. and thats as a winger. project that to the 2C and thats why hes in hartford.

at every level of hockey, the players get better and more talented. its what you do when you dont have the puck that makes you valuable. even if super talented, hockey IQ and 2 way play is equally important.

chad made the team. so did howden. thats why they are here and chytl isnt.

Well put. You don’t have to be the Hoss or Bergeron, but unless you’re putting up OV or Bure numbers, you can’t play OV or Bure defense.

 

[CasusBelli]

I was happy to hear that Quinn said Chytil took his demotion like a pro. I think this can only be a good learning experience for him getting top line minutes in the AHL.

Exactly what I hoped to hear. A good attitude goes a long way. Looking forward to him turning things around and rejoining the big club.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

How often does a good young player play a full season in the NHL, then the next year he get cut and doesnt make the team?

Yea he might have had a below average camp but i’m not fully convinced this is the right move. He was playing well as a 19 year old in the NHL last season, now he’s going to play against worse competition.

Doesnt matter anyway, he’ll likely be back in the NHL by the end of the month.

 

[Doctyl]

Hoping he and Kravtsov tear up the AHL this year and make the team next year

 

[offdacrossbar]

How often does a good young player play a full season in the NHL, then the next year he get cut and doesnt make the team?

Yea he might have had a below average camp but i’m not fully convinced this is the right move. He was playing well as a 19 year old in the NHL last season, now he’s going to play against worse competition.

Doesnt matter anyway, he’ll likely be back in the NHL by the end of the month.

wait. lets remember there were concerns last year with his play as well. quinn scratched him and said he needed to play better and give a better "effort". code for perhaps play harder away from the puck.

quinn wants more. its less about who he playing against and more about learning what's expected of him if he is indeed going to be a top 6 forward.

hes talented, hes big and hes fast. but hes also raw, inexperienced and young.

plenty of time for him to be a 2C or a true top line forward. just turned 20.

the message seems clear. improve your overall play away from the puck.

i think this is the right message for him and again, the reason chad and brett are here and hes in the A.

 

[EdJovanovski]

How often does a good young player play a full season in the NHL, then the next year he get cut and doesnt make the team?

Yea he might have had a below average camp but i’m not fully convinced this is the right move. He was playing well as a 19 year old in the NHL last season, now he’s going to play against worse competition.

Doesnt matter anyway, he’ll likely be back in the NHL by the end of the month.

Agreed and I don’t know if I’m dreaming but I thought I remembered him looking really good in his first game or two of the preseason and everyone fawning over how much better he looked than last year

 

[Doctyl]

Agreed and I don’t know if I’m dreaming but I thought I remembered him looking really good in his first game or two of the preseason and everyone fawning over how much better he looked than last year

It seemed like it was mostly based on camp? I still don’t understand why he was never given a look with Kreider and Kakko in the preseason. Strome and Howden sure as hell didn’t “earn” their spots in the games we saw either. The only center other than Mika that I thought looked good was Lias and he’s stapled to the 4th line for some reason

 

[Tawnos]

How often does a good young player play a full season in the NHL, then the next year he get cut and doesnt make the team?

Yea he might have had a below average camp but i’m not fully convinced this is the right move. He was playing well as a 19 year old in the NHL last season, now he’s going to play against worse competition.

Doesnt matter anyway, he’ll likely be back in the NHL by the end of the month.

Kreider played 18 played 23/48 games in 12-13 and started 13-14 in the AHL. I don't think he was reassigned to Hartford after the lockout ended.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

You gotta think with a move like this there might be mental repercussions on the player. He is either gonna get really pissed and work hard to make the real time or he is going to take being cut to heart and never recover (more likely).

Too risky a move unless conditioning or something similar was a factor.

 

[romba]

Chytil looked ok with the puck at times, mostly when it was deeper in the O zone. “See puck, win puck, pass to open man”. Anything more than that gave him a bit of difficulty it seemed to my eyes. Especially when he got the puck in the NZ he had difficulty when the options weren’t so clear for him. I wasn’t focused enough to watch his play without the puck too often but if he’s only looking ok with the puck he likely has a ways to go without it.