Post-Game Talk: Figures, Jets lose in OT 4-3

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OK - I did not say anything even close to insinuating BooBoo was the answer to our problems - where did you get that?

Dillon does fit what I am talking about - Stanley might someday (he's not playing right now - just like Ville who you didn't mention) - Demelo is our best defender but does struggle with net front - and JoMo is the best of the lot. Smitty and Pionk on the true blue offensive guys who really struggle with that.

I'm not really throwing out theories here - I'm referring to a smaller Dcore that struggles with a heavy game.
I'm looking for a blend of mobile offensive guys and more defensive minded guys with a little more physical in their game (and that doesn't mean plugs).
We don't have that.
ok, you want guys that can clear the net right? well that's not going to happen when our dmen are chasing their men all over the ice, maybe if we had a new system our dmen would be closer to the areas you want to keep clear...
 

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two weeks ago it looked like it was only one wc spot available now look

We don't need 2. We only need one and it is getting further away as the number of games remaining gets smaller.

It is important to get assets for our expiring players. Do you want to have a chance ever? Or would you rather keep going through this s**t every year?
 

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We don't need 2. We only need one and it is getting further away as the number of games remaining gets smaller.

It is important to get assets for our expiring players. Do you want to have a chance ever? Or would you rather keep going through this s**t every year?
wtf does this even mean, of course were not going to take 2 spots, It's that there is 2 available now when it looked like only 1 was gonna be up for grabs, I'd rather trade copp for a player like debrusk then get a late 1st if we can even get a late 1st
 

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it's not the he likes to chase forwards... he's required too, because that's the system...

No, he really likes to chase forwards - and then he hits them.
I'm kidding but sometimes that's what it looks like -

I find that our Dmen switch off from time to time - if strong side is left, you'll usually see the left Dman in that corner - and the weak side guy is usually somewhere around the net front.

We are not running a pure man to man out there - although it can look like that from time to time - usually when they are contending with top talent offense.
It is most certainly not well coached - I'd don't really know what you'd call it - maybe chaos fits
 
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ok, you want guys that can clear the net right? well that's not going to happen when our dmen are chasing their men all over the ice, maybe if we had a new system our dmen would be closer to the areas you want to keep clear...


We have guys in front - they are just not very effective.
 
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We have guys in front - they are just not very effective.
keep defending the system to the death, even though the first goal(which you complained about having nobody in front of the net) is a prime example of why our system doesn't work...
 
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So still 6 points back but the two teams in the WC spots each have a game in hand on us.

6 points is nothing with about 30 games left. If the Jets are deserving of a playoff spot, they will buckle down and win 8 - 10 straight, and I think they're capable of this. Need more "consistent" 3 period efforts. It's called hard work.
 
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Basically the worst result possible. Ruin the tank and give Dallas the extra point.

Side note: I didn’t realize how dirty Robertson was before. Wonder if it was just this game or if he’s normally like that.
 

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What a piss off. Team got screwed by the refs and should have gotten a clean 2 points. This team just can't get it done in ot thus year. Big time missed opportunity.

Helle not doing a good enough job in net for this group.

Scheifele still way too careless in his end.

I thought the rest of the team played well.
Yup, that missed cross-check was an embarrassment. Calling ticky-tack shit on both sides all game but then a clear cross-check (remember the NHL is supposedly cracking down on these, lol) ties the game and the refs are none the wiser.
 

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Well damnit , liked our 3 lines, Ehlers is fun to watch play hockey. If Helly plays like we all know he can we win that game in regulation. Having to play 5 defenseman hurt a little even if it was Booboo that got hurt. Should have been a penalty and a penalty shot for Lowry on his second brake-away.
 

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6 points is nothing with about 30 games left. If the Jets are deserving of a playoff spot, they will buckle down and win 8 - 10 straight, and I think they're capable of this. Need more "consistent" 3 period efforts. It's called hard work.

I like your optimisim but have you been watching this team? Their problem is inconsistent play because they simply do not work hard enough. The ship has sailed, time for change has come and making it to be snowed under by the Av's would just prolong the agony and give false hope about this team. They may be talented individuals but as a 'team' they lack cohesion and character.
 
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6 points is not "nothing" with 30 games left. 6 points is huge with only 30 games left. There's a reason why most teams that aren't in a PO spot at American Thanksgiving don't end up making the playoffs. Gaining ground on teams in a league with loser points for tie games is incredibly difficult. The Jet's aren't mathematically out of it yet. But it will be a miracle if they somehow claw their way in.
 

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6 points is not "nothing" with 30 games left. 6 points is huge with only 30 games left. There's a reason why most teams that aren't in a PO spot at American Thanksgiving don't end up making the playoffs. Gaining ground on teams in a league with loser points for tie games is incredibly difficult. The Jet's aren't mathematically out of it yet. But it will be a miracle if they somehow claw their way in.
Ya they will have to go on a run that's for sure.
 

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I have now missed the last 4 games due to being busy with kids activities (which is way more fun anyways) and I am not really motivated to watch the PVR backlog at this point so delete it is. Before the failed road trip I gave us a 20% chance. I have adjusted that to a 5% chance and accepted our fait for this season. Notwithstanding a lottery bounce which is very low our draft pick won’t be materially better than the worst couple of teams in the playoffs. That’s depressing.

Your move this off season Kevin. If I was Dubois I’m not sure I would hitch my wagon to this org long term but we’ll see. Chipman hates to lose as much as if not more than the worst diaper babies on this board so I don’t expect things will be very pleasant for the people in hockey ops.

NHL is a pretty even league and maybe new coaching and a Helle revival by not having a new born to deal with again will lead this group back to relevance? All I know is being the 20th place team in a 32 team league is pretty much the worst spot.

GJG
 

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keep defending the system to the death, even though the first goal(which you complained about having nobody in front of the net) is a prime example of why our system doesn't work...
Agreed, I don’t get this net front presence being the issue the Jets have, especially last nights game. Them being pulled out of position and having guys either lose their assignment or get isolated is the biggest issue by far. I mean the only goal the Stars got by means of any net front presence, came from a clear cross check to Demelo, allowing a free screen of Helle. I’d like some size and skill as much as the next guy but I don’t think sacrificing skill for size has shown to be any net benefit for anyone. TBH, I really haven’t seen Dillon establish the front of the Jets net as a no fly zone when he’s on the ice. It just hasn’t happened. A couple reasons are, firstly, being all that physical in front of the net isn’t like it used to be, the refs call way more than they used to. Secondly, as you say the way the Jets run their D zone coverage too often players are chasing their check all over the ice and get pulled out of position. Guys like Dillon and Stanley should never have to chase speedy forwards around the D zone. It’s a recipe for disaster and coats the Jets more than a lack of physicality in front does. I’ve been disappointed in Dillon’s physical game this years anyway. He’s big, he hasn’t been all that physical really. I don’t think he’s a deterrent that’s for sure.

Actually thought the Jets crashed the net better than the Stars did last night. Didn’t really Dallas D men clearing house. Connor’s goal was a result of chaos and bodies in front and Holtby’s save off Lowry’s tip was perhaps the luckiest thing I’ve seen all year. He literally tipped it right though into his glove, didn’t even know he had it for a second. Point being, nobody was clearing Lowry out of there when that happened.

Size is great when it comes with the necessary skill but the Jets need to address their structure or it’s not going to matter who they have out there.
 

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I have now missed the last 4 games due to being busy with kids activities (which is way more fun anyways) and I am not really motivated to watch the PVR backlog at this point so delete it is. Before the failed road trip I gave us a 20% chance. I have adjusted that to a 5% chance and accepted our fait for this season. Notwithstanding a lottery bounce which is very low our draft pick won’t be materially better than the worst couple of teams in the playoffs. That’s depressing.

Your move this off season Kevin. If I was Dubois I’m not sure I would hitch my wagon to this org long term but we’ll see. Chipman hates to lose as much as if not more than the worst diaper babies on this board so I don’t expect things will be very pleasant for the people in hockey ops.

NHL is a pretty even league and maybe new coaching and a Helle revival by not having a new born to deal with again will lead this group back to relevance? All I know is being the 20th place team in a 32 team league is pretty much the worst spot.

GJG

Well it's consistency for me. Had they played like they did tonight most of the year they would be a playoff team.

Also 9-13 seems to be our sweet spot drafting wise. Trouba, Ehlers, Perfetti, JoMo is a pretty nice collection from that area of the draft.
 
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We don't need 2. We only need one and it is getting further away as the number of games remaining gets smaller.

It is important to get assets for our expiring players. Do you want to have a chance ever? Or would you rather keep going through this s**t every year?
I think this is a bit of a meme. Getting a few 2nds and 3rds that might get us a mid or bottom player or two 3 years down the road isn't going to materially change our fortunes.

Obviously you need to see where we are at the tdl but if we have no shot of course you try to get some assets. However, a guy like Statsny was free and he's likely only going to fetch a 3rd which isn't a guaranteed player. Copp I think you have to move because he's not coming back and he'll probably get us a 2nd. Dillon and Schmidt have term so you could keep them, but you have to decide if you're going to go young on the back end which may mean another year of no playoffs while your core gets older.

We're really in no means land as an org right now - but we know for sure what we have isn't working.
 
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Agreed, I don’t get this net front presence being the issue the Jets have, especially last nights game. Them being pulled out of position and having guys either lose their assignment or get isolated is the biggest issue by far. I mean the only goal the Stars got by means of any net front presence, came from a clear cross check to Demelo, allowing a free screen of Helle. I’d like some size and skill as much as the next guy but I don’t think sacrificing skill for size has shown to be any net benefit for anyone. TBH, I really haven’t seen Dillon establish the front of the Jets net as a no fly zone when he’s on the ice. It just hasn’t happened. A couple reasons are, firstly, being all that physical in front of the net isn’t like it used to be, the refs call way more than they used to. Secondly, as you say the way the Jets run their D zone coverage too often players are chasing their check all over the ice and get pulled out of position. Guys like Dillon and Stanley should never have to chase speedy forwards around the D zone. It’s a recipe for disaster and coats the Jets more than a lack of physicality in front does. I’ve been disappointed in Dillon’s physical game this years anyway. He’s big, he hasn’t been all that physical really. I don’t think he’s a deterrent that’s for sure.

Actually thought the Jets crashed the net better than the Stars did last night. Didn’t really Dallas D men clearing house. Connor’s goal was a result of chaos and bodies in front and Holtby’s save off Lowry’s tip was perhaps the luckiest thing I’ve seen all year. He literally tipped it right though into his glove, didn’t even know he had it for a second. Point being, nobody was clearing Lowry out of there when that happened.

Size is great when it comes with the necessary skill but the Jets need to address their structure or it’s not going to matter who they have out there.


Good points -
But I don't think anyone was stating we should sacrifice skill for size - in fact, the ask was for more size with skill.
And it sounds like you agree that some size with skill would be a plus - I agree
 

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keep defending the system to the death, even though the first goal(which you complained about having nobody in front of the net) is a prime example of why our system doesn't work...

I'm defending the need for more size with skill on the blue line -
Systems is a topic I did not bring into the discussion and only mention because someone else did and IMO, our systems are only part of the issue (which I have already stated) -

I am disputing your claim that we never have dmen in front because they are always out of position - that's simply not true.
You're the one who is defending our current core as good enough - just lacking the correct system. I think there is more to it than that - and it's obvious.
 
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