Off topic, but does anyone else find it strange how the Olympics tracks the standings. I believe the official standings are most golds but some places show it as most medals. I think a better way would be three points for a gold, two points for a silver and one for a bronze.
GDT: Feb. 20 • Women's Gold Medal Game • Canada vs. United States • Pt IV
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Lonny Bohonos
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In Canada vs US apparently you can. Its quite obvious as I said my wife there are separate rules for Canada vs US than Canada or US vs everyone else when it comes to bodychecking.
Was happening all game.
Not sure why people want to complain about a cross-check instead of a trip or some other call on the breakaway. First rule on a breakaway is to try to play cleanly, but take a penalty if you have to to prevent the breakaway. Knight might have actually caught a tiring Wickenheiser, but chose to make contact from behind rather than try to skate in front, or at least to the side. No ref is going to give you the benefit of the doubt when you are chasing from behind and the shooter goes down on a breakaway. And fwiw, there is a similar call in the first period when a TC player gets open on the wing. I wonder if the ref did try to give some consideration by making an interference call since Knight was catching Wickenheiser and just made the wrong signal. I don't think there should have been a penalty shot since at the point of contact, there was no separation.
Interestingly enough, the initial penalty call in OT was cross-checking, although you can see in the replay that the Canadian player pushed the US player down with her hands and there was no stick contact. Perhaps that is a body checking call, but I am not sure how they call that in women's hockey. On the ensuing slashing call, a soft call, but there is no reason for the US player to chop at the puck or goalie since the goalie had already caught the puck. If she had been warned before, I can see the call being made.
After the breakaway call, the US team won the ensuing face-off and had a chance to clear the length of the ice. If they do that, maybe they pester the puck carriers down ice so that the Canadians don't end up with a 5-on-3 or waste time trying to get it setup. Instead, TC makes a quick regroup outside the blue line and apply pressure on the 3 defenders until their penalty expires and they have a 2 man advantage.
A bunch of small mistakes by a less experienced team that ended up costing Team USA the game, but that is usually the way championship are won and lost.
Interestingly enough, the initial penalty call in OT was cross-checking, although you can see in the replay that the Canadian player pushed the US player down with her hands and there was no stick contact. Perhaps that is a body checking call, but I am not sure how they call that in women's hockey. On the ensuing slashing call, a soft call, but there is no reason for the US player to chop at the puck or goalie since the goalie had already caught the puck. If she had been warned before, I can see the call being made.
After the breakaway call, the US team won the ensuing face-off and had a chance to clear the length of the ice. If they do that, maybe they pester the puck carriers down ice so that the Canadians don't end up with a 5-on-3 or waste time trying to get it setup. Instead, TC makes a quick regroup outside the blue line and apply pressure on the 3 defenders until their penalty expires and they have a 2 man advantage.
A bunch of small mistakes by a less experienced team that ended up costing Team USA the game, but that is usually the way championship are won and lost.
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I know, but her sliding on her knees and being low made it look worse optically.
If she was upright, it would have just been a net front collision.
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no I would say stupidly lucky moment in history.
when it's all said and done Canada taking a penalty in OT was the best thing that could have happened for them, because it stopped the flow of the game dead in it's track. If the refs let them play in OT USA wins that game; with out a doubt.
**** happens though and that's why you always try to put up more goals when you have the momentum against a good team.
Ummm there's no checking in woman's hockey doesn't matter if it was a cross check or not,she flat out blasted her.Coss checking might have been the wrong call but as you said she "knocked the US player on her ass" so it was most definitely a penalty.
That's ridiculous. It's not just that it hit the post, but it hits the post dead on. A couple millimeters to the right and that's bouncing off the post and in.
One of the great moments of this incredible ending. But if Spooner scores few minutes earlier it could be more epic
Its hard to get excited about a "comeback miracle" when the underdogs in question are reigning Olympic champions for 16 years, especially when horrible calls largely contributed.(not going to suggest the refs were biased, just morons who may have never seen a hockey game before)
17Kurri
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You're the stereotypical Canadian in the world's eye - apologizing for winning. It's ok to be happy and proud, bud.
Do you actually think that American fans would be feeling the way you seem to if the circumstances/score had been reversed? Not a chance - and I wouldn't blame them one bit for it. If the Americans win tomorrow, which I think many (including Canadian fans), are expecting them to, look out. They will collectively be rubbing it in infinitely more than our select few have been. And, again, I won't be blaming them as I consider it nothing more than the spoils of victory combined with national pride, which is nothing to be ashamed of, imho.
2010 is higher than that
1. Henderson
2. 1987 Canada Cup
3. 2010 Men's
4. 2014 Women's Comeback Miracle
5. 2002 Men's (Beating US on US home ice in final)
Do you have the lottery numbers too?
Could have easily went either way even though the Canadians had tons of momentum going into OT. Just takes one mistake either way and unfortunately for the US they made that mistake and let Wickenheiser get a clear cut breakaway.
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The tripping call was correct just misnamed as crosschecking. I don't think I'd have called a penalty shot either (too chicken).
Other than that the other two penalties are only called in the womens game. The Canadian girl took down the American and it was called but it never would have been in the men's game. Same as the slashing call.
One of the great moments of this incredible ending. But if Spooner scores few minutes earlier it could be more epic
that play is gonna haunt Team USA forever
ottawa
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Hockey lives in the north. I was expecting that win even before the Canadians scored their first goal
Nope, 3 on 3 favors the US with their speed.
Pouliot's heroics will go down as some of the most clutch plays of all time.
... You can't hit at all in women's hockey. Most Canada-USA games are called pretty loosely, this one was not. I agree that you might let that slide in OT of the gold medal game, but considering this was the least egregious call in OT I don't see any reason to complain.
NyQuil
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It's never hard to get excited by a tying goal in the last minute of a gold-medal winning game.
How did Americans feel about that goal in the last minute in 2010? Tainted a bit by the result, but I'm sure they still remember the feeling at the time.
Haha fair enough, I wont be as gracious during a mens hockey win though. I think a US win here would make the women s hockey landscape more interesting as opposed to 16 years of Canada. Im sympathetic to the underdogs getting screwed in this manner, and no I do not expect the same sympathy if the roles were reversed.
Alerion
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One of the great moments of this incredible ending. But if Spooner scores few minutes earlier it could be more epic
That's not a great moment, it only happened because the linesman was completely in the way and the Canadian couldn't play the puck. That would have been an embarrassment had that puck gone in.
Lebanese Leaf
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I have a lot of family in the US and I go there quite frequently and I've noticed one thing about how they watch sports...
When they win, that sport and that team are the most important thing ever. They will rub it in your face and brag about it till the cows come home. If they lose, they just don't pay attention to the sport to team and play it off like it doesn't matter to them anyways.
Except when it comes to the NFL, then loyalties actually exist.
thepuckmonster
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I can't believe this has to be posted for the fourth time, but here we are:
This thread is to discuss the game. Not the validity of female hockey in the Olympics or in general. If you don't like it, don't read it.
This thread is to discuss the game. Not the validity of female hockey in the Olympics or in general. If you don't like it, don't read it.
I noticed this when I caught a bit of the game. Lots of obvious bodychecks, but no calls.
Won it on the pp ? Not as great. Everyone was so excited at work. I didn't really care. To be fair, for the womens it's essentially Canada Vs. America every time. Does any other country even come close ? 2nd place isn't good, but you know both countries are guaranteed a Gold/Silver.
Still, huge comeback and all and congrats to the ladies on the never die attitude.
2010 is a little overrated because Canada was the better team in the game and the U.S taking it to overtime was lucky. U.S was arguably better in the tournament but Canada was better in the final and the score should have been like 4-1.
The unbolded part of the post you quoted explains the difference between those events, States have never won.
Also mens hockey is a considerably bigger deal.
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