F Rutger McGroarty - University of Michigan, NCAA (2022, 14th, WPG; traded to PIT)

[Ace]

Maybe the issue is that the Jets have unrealistic expectations for young players. Why is the instinct always to blame the player?

If you are McGroarty, you see your former teammates Cooley, Gauthier, Fantilli, Brindley, Hughes, Nazar, Casey, Hutson jump right into the NHL and in some cases not play any minor league time afterwards. The idea he’s not at a similar level to at least some of those players is ridiculous. He has every right to ask for what they got. If a team doesn’t want to comply, well then they should trade him.

And he quite literally EARNED an NHL spot to start the season with a great preseason. If he so clearly needed to ride buses, especially for multiple years, in the minors, how did that happen? Quit the pettiness and stage five clinging. For all we know, he was demoted for two weeks to avoid the crazy backlash he’d get from these sorts when the Penguins play in Winnipeg today.

Brother I watched Rutger McGroarty play in a prospect tournament, a preseason game against an all NHL squad and a preseason game against a team whose top 27 player were in Europe. He struggled or was invisible in every one. Even against prospects.

Great preseason? He didn’t look ready for the AHL. You’re making shit up.

 

[cg98]

Maybe the issue is that the Jets have unrealistic expectations for young players. Why is the instinct always to blame the player?

If you are McGroarty, you see your former teammates Cooley, Gauthier, Fantilli, Brindley, Hughes, Nazar, Casey, Hutson jump right into the NHL and in some cases not play any minor league time afterwards. The idea he’s not at a similar level to at least some of those players is ridiculous. He has every right to ask for what they got. If a team doesn’t want to comply, well then they should trade him.

And he quite literally EARNED an NHL spot to start the season with a great preseason. If he so clearly needed to ride buses, especially for multiple years, in the minors, how did that happen? Quit the pettiness and stage five clinging. For all we know, he was demoted for two weeks to avoid the crazy backlash he’d get from these sorts when the Penguins play in Winnipeg today.

No player has a "right" to earn a roster spot just from simply demanding it on any team. He wasnt going to earn it here in Winnipeg and now very clearly didnt earn it in Pittsburgh.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Brother I watched Rutger McGroarty play in a prospect tournament, a preseason game against an all NHL squad and a preseason game against a team whose top 27 player were in Europe. He struggled or was invisible in every one. Even against prospects.

Great preseason? He didn’t look ready for the AHL. You’re making shit up.

He had 6 points in 6 games and was a +7.

I don’t think I’m making anything up.

 

[Erika]

Maybe the issue is that the Jets have unrealistic expectations for young players. Why is the instinct always to blame the player?

If you are McGroarty, you see your former teammates Cooley, Gauthier, Fantilli, Brindley, Hughes, Nazar, Casey, Hutson jump right into the NHL and in some cases not play any minor league time afterwards. The idea he’s not at a similar level to at least some of those players is ridiculous. He has every right to ask for what they got. If a team doesn’t want to comply, well then they should trade him.

And he quite literally EARNED an NHL spot to start the season with a great preseason. If he so clearly needed to ride buses, especially for multiple years, in the minors, how did that happen? Quit the pettiness and stage five clinging. For all we know, he was demoted for two weeks to avoid the crazy backlash he’d get from these sorts when the Penguins play in Winnipeg today.

Rutger, you should stop posting messages on HFboards and start practicing more on your hockey skills. Just stop wasting your time and start to work harder... it'll help your career, believe me... maybe starts with some skating lessons to improve your speed idk.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Don't really have any strong feelings about the player, but the situation isn't ideal. Calgary already lost a future Norris winning prospect to this. It can't become a trend or Canadian teams won't be able to reliably draft US players if they're all going to get home sick and demand trades south of the border.

Fox is the wrong example to cite about a trend of US players not wanting to play in Canada. Calgary traded his rights to Carolina, and he wouldn't sign there either.

His intention was to sign with the Rangers, period. Mission accomplished.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Starting to think he's way over his head which is where he needs the most development. All the tools to be an excellent player, but his cockiness tells me that it's the wall in the way of his development.

 

[PattyLafontaine]

Stop saying Rutger McGroarty ... it's not going to happen Gretchen

 

[Thechozen1]

Earned a spot on the Penguins by default due to forward injuries.

 

[Fatass]

Starting to think he's way over his head which is where he needs the most development. All the tools to be an excellent player, but his cockiness tells me that it's the wall in the way of his development.

All the tools except skating. And that’s a pretty important tool. He’s an entitled kid who struggles to keep up because of slow feet. He’s a long way from being an NHLer. It’s actually more likely he isn’t an NHLer. considering where he was drafted, he’s a 40% chance NHLer.

 

[3074326]

If he sucks so much, stop complaining about it and move on. It's getting pretty old. Feels like high school breakups in here.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

He had 6 points in 6 games and was a +7.

I don’t think I’m making anything up.

practice stats?

What are his stats in games?

NHL 3 gp, 0 pts, -1
AHL 2 gp, 0 pts, -1

He’s gonna be a great middle six player, just need some work - not nhl ready.

To your point, definitely training camp ready tho. AHL is a great training camp!

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

If he sucks so much, stop complaining about it and move on. It's getting pretty old. Feels like high school breakups in here.

I haven’t seen anyone saying he sucks. Who’s saying he sucks?

I’m quite enjoying the thread - if you’re not you don’t have to partake.
There are many threads on hfboards you to enjoy! (Although to be fair there aren’t many about the suckiest guy that ever did suck)

Uh oh - bells ringin’ , gotta go! I can’t be late for math class or Principal Belding will suspend me!

 

[Yasuo]

practice stats?

What are his stats in games?

NHL 3 gp, 0 pts, -1
AHL 2 gp, 0 pts, -1

He’s gonna be a great middle six player, just need some work - not nhl ready.

To your point, definitely training camp ready tho. AHL is a great training camp!

If he improve his staking he can easily be a top 6 player even a top liner. If he doesnt or cant he could just also never become a regular nhler. So for me his ceilling is anywere from first liner to ahl regular depending on how he improve his major weakness.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

If he improve his staking he can easily be a top 6 player even a top liner. If he doesnt or cant he could just also never become a regular nhler. So for me his ceilling is anywere from first liner to ahl regular depending on how he improve his major weakness.

Absolutely. I’m just referencing his scouting reports and expectations when drafted as an awesome middle sixer. For context - in Jets land we were excited about him as an eventual replacement for Lowry in the middle six - but with a little more scoring. And future captain potential. There was no expectation for him to be the next Kyle Connor.

Hartnelk down played on a top line with Claude Giroux. Anything’s possible.

If he ended up driving a top line that would be through the moon exceeding expectations and current skill set - which would be awesome!

 

[Fatass]

If he improve his staking he can easily be a top 6 player even a top liner. If he doesnt or cant he could just also never become a regular nhler. So for me his ceilling is anywere from first liner to ahl regular depending on how he improve his major weakness.

Isn’t more the issue with this player whether he thinks he needs to improve to be an NHLer?