F Ivan Demidov - SKA St. Petersburg, KHL (2024, 5th, MTL)

[Fantomas]

Habs fan

Habs fans circling this thread for months now, salivating incessantly, still full of hopes and dreams for the future, oblivious to the fact that their team will pass on Demidov next June in favour of some project Euro with bad ankles.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He can be better than him but, better history of scoring goals? Come on lol as if Caufield wasn’t known to score goals everywhere he played.

Michkov takes it to another level.

Would you compare Caufield goal scoring to Bedard’s? Okay, then don’t compare it to Michkov’s.

 

[not quite yoda]

I really like what I see from Demidov. He is very assertive with the puck. If only there was no Russian factor, I would have him as the 2nd forward on my list.

 

[Caser]

 

[cheechoo]

That sequence of his skating alone, in his own zone after the puck retrieval and then in the neutral zone was just incredible.

 

[rahad]

Michkov takes it to another level.

Would you compare Caufield goal scoring to Bedard’s? Okay, then don’t compare it to Michkov’s.

LOL! Bedard is way better than Michkov

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

LOL! Bedard is way better than Michkov

Why?

 

[Kshahdoo]

His skating is like hockey poetry.

 

[waitin425]

That reminds me of Erie Otters Connor. Jesus

 

[ello]

Kid looks big. Reminds me a little of watching Malkin gallop up the ice

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Habs fans circling this thread for months now, salivating incessantly, still full of hopes and dreams for the future, oblivious to the fact that their team will pass on Demidov next June in favour of some project Euro with bad ankles.

Except Habs management have already shown more interest in Demidov in his 17 year old season last year than they did with Michkov in his draft year. So its not russiophobia its michkovphobia for the habs , why? I'm not sure either...maybe contract , maybe character , I personally don't agree with it I'm just stating what is publicly known and leaked from the org

 

[rahad]

Why?

Bedard is close to being PPG player on his first NHL season. He is playing in on of the worst team in the league with AHL Player.

The whole Bedard vs Michkov is going to end up like the McDavid vs Eichel in the NHL. Bedard is simply superior to Michkov.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Bedard is close to being PPG player on his first NHL season. He is playing in on of the worst team in the league with AHL Player.

The whole Bedard vs Michkov is going to end up like the McDavid vs Eichel in the NHL. Bedard is simply superior to Michkov.

And Michkov is that in the KHL for quite possibly the worst team there.

He's higher up the scoring charts in PPG also, although I do recognize the difference in caliber between the leagues.

Bedard hasn't separated himself from Michkov.

 

[rahad]

And Michkov is that in the KHL for quite possibly the worst team there.

He's higher up the scoring charts in PPG also, although I do recognize the difference in caliber between the leagues.

Bedard hasn't separated himself from Michkov.

Michkov : KHL 45 17 21 38
vs
Bedard: NHL 42 17 22 39

I don't know what to say more. I understand people want some rivalry between young prospect in the NHL. Kinda like McDavid vs Eichel - Matthews-Laine or the Taylor vs Tyler.....

McDavid is a tier above Eichel. Same for Auston Matthews and Laine. Bedard would also end up being a tier above Michkov. Michkov will be a great player (like Eichel). He is just not on the same tier as Bedard. As simple as that.

 

[WarriorofTime]

And Michkov is that in the KHL for quite possibly the worst team there.

He's higher up the scoring charts in PPG also, although I do recognize the difference in caliber between the leagues.

Bedard hasn't separated himself from Michkov.

Bedard is 11th best 18 year old PPG in history. Factor in that 7 of those higher where in the 80s were points were handed out like candy, one of those was smack dab in the middle of World War II (very weak League) and that leaves you with just Crosby and McDavid with higher age 18 NHL PPGs. And Bedard's team is terrible, managed just 21 goals in 14 games while he was injured. Bedard is for real.

 

[Draft]

And Michkov is that in the KHL for quite possibly the worst team there.

He's higher up the scoring charts in PPG also, although I do recognize the difference in caliber between the leagues.

Bedard hasn't separated himself from Michkov.

Man... this is an embarrassingly bad take.

Bedard has a better PPG in the NHL than Michkov does in the KHL - both are on the worst teams in their league. Former Habs legend Jordan Weal and Canucks legend Reid Boucher (neither of whom could currently crack an NHL roster) are blowing Michkov out of the water PPG-wise in a monumentally worse league.

Until Michkov can match what Bedard is doing in the NHL there will be an enormous separation between the two. Sure, we can judge Michkov again once he has the opportunity to perform in the NHL, but until that time he's producing worse in a worse league and hasn't shown squat against legitimate competition. Still a good prospect but just not on the same level.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Michkov : KHL 45 17 21 38
vs
Bedard: NHL 42 17 22 39

I don't know what to say more. I understand people want some rivalry between young prospect in the NHL. Kinda like McDavid vs Eichel - Matthews-Laine or the Taylor vs Tyler.....

McDavid is a tier above Eichel. Same for Auston Matthews and Laine. Bedard would also end up being a tier above Michkov. Michkov will be a great player (like Eichel). He is just not on the same tier as Bedard. As simple as that.

You should start by addressing my point, which you conveniently ignored because it’s not favorable to your very closed-minded view.

The NHL is much higher scoring than the KHL.

 

[WarriorofTime]

You should start by addressing my point, which you conveniently ignored because it’s not favorable to your very closed-minded view.

The NHL is much higher scoring than the KHL.

It is. But the certainty of what Bedard IS doing versus the potential of what Michkov MIGHT be doing seems relevant, yeah?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Man... this is an embarrassingly bad take.

Bedard has a better PPG in the NHL than Michkov does in the KHL - both are on the worst teams in their league. Former Habs legend Jordan Weal and Canucks legend Reid Boucher (neither of whom could currently crack an NHL roster) are blowing Michkov out of the water PPG-wise in a monumentally worse league.

Until Michkov can match what Bedard is doing in the NHL there will be an enormous separation between the two. Sure, we can judge Michkov again once he has the opportunity to perform in the NHL, but until that time he's producing worse in a worse league and hasn't shown squat against legitimate competition. Still a good prospect but just not on the same level.

Yet you ignored the fact that Michkov ranks substantially higher in his league in PPG.

If you are going to claim that Bedard has a higher PPG, you either are ignorant of scoring between the leagues or are being intentionally dishonest (maybe because you are a Habs fan convincing yourself Nick Bobrov isn’t a colossal disaster?).

Michkov has matched Bedard year after year, yet there are too many that have a close-minded view about who are allowed to be the anointed stars. Michkov may be too Russian to be given the respect he’s earned.

 

[Zine]

Can we keep this thread about Demidov please.

 

[santapore]

my dream was after last years draft that flyers draft demidov this year....but that is not gonna happen:/ but yea demidov is gonna be stud in nhl . ps. i dont wanna compare mitchkov vs demidov vs bedard...maybe when they all playing in nhl?! pointless before that...everyone defends their prospect.

 

[Fantomas]

Nothing but praise for Connor Bedard this season, but he's had some dog-ass games. Even when his defense is bad, the Hawks give him 20 minutes of playing time without fail. He's been put in the position to put up big numbers (with some obvious disadvantages, such as low talent level on his team).

Also Brock Faber's case for Calder is as strong as Bedard's, maybe stronger.

 

[SlafySZN]

Not to be annoying but this is the Demidov thread. Not enough discussions about him in the last page or two.

 

[BMann]

I don't think he's that good, he's small, not overly quick, not the greatest skater, not the hardest worker.

Suze us not that important. Take Zic. Zmichl9v has great core strength and legs like tree trunks. He'll only get stronger. Speed. There is no compensation for his speed of thought. His edge work us incredible. And this myth of bit being a hard worker. He puts it in every shift. It's just his defensive awareness needs improvement. That can be coached. I think you are looking through Habs tinted spectacles. Habs GM has made an almighty Co k up which rhe Flyers are only to happy to have pounced upon.

Demid9v will also be an excellent player.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Suze us not that important. Take Zic. Zmichl9v has great core strength and legs like tree trunks. He'll only get stronger. Speed. There is no compensation for his speed of thought. His edge work us incredible. And this myth of bit being a hard worker. He puts it in every shift. It's just his defensive awareness needs improvement. That can be coached. I think you are looking through Habs tinted spectacles. Habs GM has made an almighty Co k up which rhe Flyers are only to happy to have pounced upon.

Demid9v will also be an excellent player.

2 things

1. Montreal (the poster) has said before he would have taken Michkov. So there's no bias from him. In fact he's very openly critical of the team on moves they make all the time. So what you see is what you get with him, there's no hidden agenda.

2. Pretty funny considering the Flyers have been confirmed to try to get Reinbacher. Trying to deal Gauthier for that pick to select Reinbacher and not Michkov. When will people learn that the majority of teams were gonna take Reinbacher ahead of Michkov? Arizona wanted him. Philly wanted him. Nashville stopped trying to trade up the second Montreal took him.

Anyways can the Michkov humpers stop hijacking every thread especially when Montreal is mentioned, it's like you guys are Michkovs PR team. So weirdly obsessed with having him picked higher than he went.