F Frans Karjalahti - HIFK U15 Juniors (2028 Draft)

waitin425

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No, there aren't 100. Not even 10 unless it's a year like 2021 where no one really stands out.

At 11-12 years old, the sorting is already done. To perform in hockey, you have to start very early, at 4 years old and most of the learning is done at 12 years old.

It was at this age that Wright, Bedard and Kiviharju established themselves as the No. 1 draft players. It hasn't changed since.

If I challenge this title to Karjalahti it's because his performances are less exceptional, because I don't know any player born in 2010. It's going to be very difficult to get an idea of the Russians before the MHL now.

From the moment the player has confronted the best players in the world of his age, we can get an idea.

Karjalahti has been detected gifted by Finland hockey for several years. It deserves attention.

I prefer to talk about him at 12 and a half than random players aged 14-15 who are simply very good provincial players.

The recent past demonstrates that all gifted 12-year-old players have become great prospects.

There is some continuity in hockey when it comes to elite talent.

The player who will be number 1 in 2028 is necessarily a player who dominates very largely against older players today. A guy who is a Pee-Wee age (U13) but walks hard in Bantam (U14-U15).
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I don't buy it. For all of the guys you have mentioned, there are examples of guys who fizzled out. He is 12 and 5'3". If you want to talk about Ryan Roobroeck as an elite prospect feel free. He is at least 14 and nearly got Exceptional status.

There are tons of kids in Ontario alone that could be talk about at 12, but its a waste of time.
 

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I don't buy it. For all of the guys you have mentioned, there are examples of guys who fizzled out. He is 12 and 5'3". If you want to talk about Ryan Roobroeck as an elite prospect feel free. He is at least 14 and nearly got Exceptional status.

There are tons of kids in Ontario alone that could be talk about at 12, but its a waste of time.
I don't see any recent example of players at the top of the U13 world hierarchy collapsing and becoming a no name.

Players have shone thanks to the presence of more talented teammates during a tournament but Karjalahti seems to be a player who has systematically stood out as the No. 1 player of his generation. It's a process that's been in place for years.

He is the young player to watch in Finland to follow up on Kiviharju.

I don't feel like he's a dwarf. Yes he is a head shorter than the others but he is 2 years younger. Between the ages of 11 and 15, a teenager grows 6cm per year.

Players like Karjalahti in Ontario, there are not every year. Conclusion, compared to his age Karjalahti is the 2nd best Finnish U13 player born in the 2000s after Kiviharju, very well on his way to being the n°1 of the 2024 draft.

It deserves a citation.
 

Belloco

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U16 Finland : 6 points in 3 games

PPG record by U14 (10 games and +) : 1.62 (Mikael Granlund)

Date of birth : 20 novembre

Clearly a prodigal
 

Belloco

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Sorry

I don't buy it. For all of the guys you have mentioned, there are examples of guys who fizzled out. He is 12 and 5'3". If you want to talk about Ryan Roobroeck as an elite prospect feel free. He is at least 14 and nearly got Exceptional status.

There are tons of kids in Ontario alone that could be talk about at 12, but its a waste of time.

He is going to make the best U14 season of a Finnish player being born at the end of the year (only 12 currently). It's not this year that he will collapse.

Ontario doesn't produce many players like him at 12.
 

ijuka

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He is going to make the best U14 season of a Finnish player being born at the end of the year (only 12 currently). It's not this year that he will collapse.

Ontario doesn't produce many players like him at 12.
Well, a sample size of 3 games is a bit too small to declare that he's going to have the best U14 season ever.

I think that about a point per game would be the expectation, which already would be very good.
 

Belloco

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Well, a sample size of 3 games is a bit too small to declare that he's going to have the best U14 season ever.

I think that about a point per game would be the expectation, which already would be very good.
He scored 0 points in the 1st game and anyway, he will be advantaged as his natural aging progresses during the season. He will have an increasingly important role so it's not crazy to imagine him maintaining 2PPG.
 

Erikfromfin

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Took a peek at this fella watched his 3 games.
Game 1 against Jokerit he wasnt able to make any plays at all was complete tourist that game.
Game 2 and 3 against weaker opponents he was able to provide some offence.
Don't really know how 12 year olds are supposed to look like in U16SM I quess his talented

couple crappy clips not much to see there
 
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ijuka

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He scored 0 points in the 1st game and anyway, he will be advantaged as his natural aging progresses during the season. He will have an increasingly important role so it's not crazy to imagine him maintaining 2PPG.
Yeah, and the 3 point games came vs very weak teams. I think it's pretty crazy, but hopefully he'll prove me wrong. Last season he had 1.5 ppg at u-15s and u-16s are much stronger. Even 1.5 would be very remarkable.
 

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Took a peek at this fella watched his 3 games.
Game 1 against Jokerit he wasnt able to make any plays at all was complete tourist that game.
Game 2 and 3 against weaker opponents he was able to provide some offence.
Don't really know how 12 year olds are supposed to look like in U16SM I quess his talented

couple crappy clips not much to see there


Also looked at his gameplay. He is in a wrong league. May be "talented" but... consistently loses the puck, cannot make gameplay, weak shot, etc, and finally, physically not on the level required. I always wonder why these some kids are playing among the older age groups when pretty obvious that should play in their own age group for their own best.
 

Belloco

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Also looked at his gameplay. He is in a wrong league. May be "talented" but... consistently loses the puck, cannot make gameplay, weak shot, etc, and finally, physically not on the level required. I always wonder why these some kids are playing among the older age groups when pretty obvious that should play in their own age group for their own best.
You progress more in difficulty than in ease.

You pick up bad habits when you play against players who are too weak for you.
 
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Belloco

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You do realize that these are real children you're discussing and naming publicly as an adult man online?
The dishonest guilt remark. His name is on the sports sites and his reputation must be enormous in the Finnish circuit.

This site is mainly about minors. Kiviharju was only 11 years old when his topic was created. Landon Dupont is the same age.

Do you seriously believe that Karjalahti will not support the fact that there is a topic with his name on hfboards?
 
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Albatros

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Obviously no other children should be publicly discussed in this manner either.

If you have parental consent then by all means present it.
 

Belloco

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Obviously no other children should be publicly discussed in this manner either.

If you have parental consent then by all means present it.
Everything you say makes no sense. If you had to have parental permission to talk about young hockey players, that would be known and the site wouldn't exist

Regarding Karjalahti, there are already plenty of photos of him on the internet, videos on youtube, so a topic on hfboards is nothing.
 

Albatros

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There's a major difference between draft-eligible teenagers pursuing professional careers in major juniors or college hockey and 11 or 12-year-old children.
 

ijuka

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There's a major difference between draft-eligible teenagers pursuing professional careers in major juniors or college hockey and 11 or 12-year-old children.
Also a pretty big difference between publicly available info online that literally anyone could get if they wanted to and something private. In this case, all that's required is a sweep through Eliteprospects and the name's right there.

If I think about figure skating(the other sport I follow), many prospects are known internationally around 10(when they start jumping quadruple jumps). They're junior eligible at 13.
 

Belloco

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There's a major difference between draft-eligible teenagers pursuing professional careers in major juniors or college hockey and 11 or 12-year-old children.
I still don't see the problem. If the site talks about him, it's because the players concerned are already exposed to the media.

From what age would it be acceptable to start talking about a player?

13? Karjalahti will have 13 in 6 weeks.

14? A lot of players have been talked about long before this age
 

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Can someone tell me more about this kid? One of 3 2028 prospects listed as a notable prospect on EP but no update in almost a year
 

Dirtyf1ghter

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I decided to stop talking about him since Albatross was tiring me out by wanting to make me feel guilty for talking about a fragile child who regularly generates articles in the Finnish media.

His profile is updated on EP.

176cm at 14 years old (so probably 183cm when he is an adult)

2nd PPG of his generation in U16 Finland.

Very good statistical progress this year.

Not a hockey genius but a sure bet for the 2028 NHL draft.
 

Pavel Buchnevich

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I decided to stop talking about him since Albatross was tiring me out by wanting to make me feel guilty for talking about a fragile child who regularly generates articles in the Finnish media.

His profile is updated on EP.

176cm at 14 years old (so probably 183cm when he is an adult)

2nd PPG of his generation in U16 Finland.

Very good statistical progress this year.

Not a hockey genius but a sure bet for the 2028 NHL draft.
This guy probably hasn’t begun High School yet and you are sure he’s going to be drafted?

Seems a little premature.
 

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