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Prospect Info: (F) Frank Nazar - 2022 NHL Draft, 13th Overall
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BHawk21
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Taze em
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I watched the games as well. I don’t think he skated very well at all compared to what he used to do, and he agrees. He said as much in the profile.
BHawk21
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Thats great news then because the games I watched he was just about the fastest guy on the ice
ChiHawks10
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I mean, he had hip surgery. It's going to take time to get back into form.
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I don't think the average person realizes how big of a deal this is. Like 1/4th of the people over 70 years old end up dying if they require hip surgery.
He's young enough that he should be able to fully recover but it's not a short process. We don't know the exact procedure he had but if everything went well it shouldn't really affect his career at all.
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"Nazar’s hip surgery, which has held him out of the entire 2022-23 season to date, means the Hawks are leaning toward keeping him in college for another year before he turns pro."
By Ben Pope Feb 2, 2023, 1:24pm CDT
Frank Nazar: News, Stats, Game Logs | RotoWire
Making collegiate debut
February 10, 2023
Nazar (hip) is set for his debut with the University of Michigan on Friday.
ANALYSIS
Nazar underwent hip surgery in October and will finally dress in his first college hockey game Friday. The freshman forward was selected 13th overall by Chicago in the 2022 NHL Entry Draft.
EbonyRaptor
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"Nazar’s hip surgery, which has held him out of the entire 2022-23 season to date, means the Hawks are leaning toward keeping him in college for another year before he turns pro."
By Ben Pope Feb 2, 2023, 1:24pm CDT
Frank Nazar: News, Stats, Game Logs | RotoWire
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Making collegiate debut
February 10, 2023
Nazar (hip) is set for his debut with the University of Michigan on Friday.
ANALYSIS
Nazar underwent hip surgery in October and will finally dress in his first college hockey game Friday. The freshman forward was selected 13th overall by Chicago in the 2022 NHL Entry Draft.
OK - thanks.
This is kind of high level accurate but not really. When an elderly person fractures a hip it’s often correlated with other issues like dementia or osteoporosis, and the elderly are more vulnerable to post surgery infections and other complications. None of that pertains to a teenager.
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Hip surgery can be a death sentence for the elderly. They already lack strength and conditioning and now they are out of commission for half a year. It's tough to overcome.
A teenager who played hockey in the NTDP last year isn't in that same boat.
A teenager who played hockey in the NTDP last year isn't in that same boat.
Taze em
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Patrick Kane gets hip resurfacing surgery out 3-6 months. People saying he’ll be fine. Others saying that no player has played 2 years having this type of surgery.
Nazar gets mystery hip surgery. Returns 5 months later… “yea I’m sure he’s fine he’s young”
Nazar gets mystery hip surgery. Returns 5 months later… “yea I’m sure he’s fine he’s young”
Chicken Little, relax.
CallMeShaft
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Kane's nearly twice as old.
If Kane was in his twenties, no worries. But he's been on the wrong side of 30 for a few years now. Hard to keep at a high level at that age in this league with solid hips, let alone ones that need repair.
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There are some positive signs for Nazar, this hip study would suggest that he can play 5 or more years due to his youth.
“Menge et al. also found that players who had surgery at a younger age had longer careers after surgery, compared to those who were older. In general, this is consistent with what we would expect, given that younger, healthy individuals typically have faster recovery times. They found that those who played more than 5 years after surgery had an average age of 25, while those who played less than 5 years had a mean age of 30. This could be due to the body taking longer to recover, but it also could be related to the degree of degenerative changes in the joint from aging.”
“Menge et al. also found that players who had surgery at a younger age had longer careers after surgery, compared to those who were older. In general, this is consistent with what we would expect, given that younger, healthy individuals typically have faster recovery times. They found that those who played more than 5 years after surgery had an average age of 25, while those who played less than 5 years had a mean age of 30. This could be due to the body taking longer to recover, but it also could be related to the degree of degenerative changes in the joint from aging.”
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I'm sure it was just a face off...
thedarkstark
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Yeah I mean I never suggested that they were the same, I just pointed it out because he might be "cleared" to play in 5-6 months but it takes maybe a year + to regain all of the strength flexibility etc.
Anyone who has broken a bone and had a cast knows how much atrophy you can have in just 4-5 weeks, when it's your whole lower half for many months you're not going to just bounce back and be good to go right away.
Point being if anyone expected him to light it up last year after returning your expectations were out of line with reality.
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People need to realize that “hip surgery” isn’t some specific thing, and there are lots of different hip surgeries with varying degrees of risk and rehab timelines.
If you are elderly, and have a fall and fracture, then yes there is significant risk involved and it even affects mortality rates.
If you are an older adult and have a hip replacement surgery, there is significantly less risk involved, overall very good outcomes, but the rehab process is long and usually these people aren’t looking to get back to high level activity. In this procedure, a significant portion of bone is removers from both the femur (the thigh bone) and the pelvis and replaced with a prostheses.
Hip resurfacing is an option given to younger, usually more active patients who don’t want/are to young to get a total hip replacement. In this procedure, rather than larger portions of the bone being removed, just the joint surfaces are removed and capped by a prostheses to give the joint a smooth surface. There is less risk in this procedure, but the rehab process is long and I am not aware of the success of it in high level athletes other than some scattered cases.
There are other hip procedure, like arthroscopic surgery, that are much less invasive and, depending on what they do when they go in their, much quicker rehab afterwards. In Nazar’s case, though I admittedly can’t remember exactly where I read it, I thought it was suggested somewhere that he had a sports hernia repair. That is a procedure where they make a repair at the intersection of where a bunch of muscles (abdominal, adductors etc…) come and attach at the front of the hip/groin. If that is what he got, then it isn’t even technically a “hip” surgery, as they did not disrupt the joint capsule at all and would not be anything that should cause problems going forward.
If you are elderly, and have a fall and fracture, then yes there is significant risk involved and it even affects mortality rates.
If you are an older adult and have a hip replacement surgery, there is significantly less risk involved, overall very good outcomes, but the rehab process is long and usually these people aren’t looking to get back to high level activity. In this procedure, a significant portion of bone is removers from both the femur (the thigh bone) and the pelvis and replaced with a prostheses.
Hip resurfacing is an option given to younger, usually more active patients who don’t want/are to young to get a total hip replacement. In this procedure, rather than larger portions of the bone being removed, just the joint surfaces are removed and capped by a prostheses to give the joint a smooth surface. There is less risk in this procedure, but the rehab process is long and I am not aware of the success of it in high level athletes other than some scattered cases.
There are other hip procedure, like arthroscopic surgery, that are much less invasive and, depending on what they do when they go in their, much quicker rehab afterwards. In Nazar’s case, though I admittedly can’t remember exactly where I read it, I thought it was suggested somewhere that he had a sports hernia repair. That is a procedure where they make a repair at the intersection of where a bunch of muscles (abdominal, adductors etc…) come and attach at the front of the hip/groin. If that is what he got, then it isn’t even technically a “hip” surgery, as they did not disrupt the joint capsule at all and would not be anything that should cause problems going forward.
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Hattrick Kane
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We’re just starting year 2 of the full on rebuild correct? Good to see the usual crew already shitting on every prospect we have.
I wonder how long before they turn on Bedard. I’ll say game 20.
I wonder how long before they turn on Bedard. I’ll say game 20.
Drumman44
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“Only two goals and an assist in his first game? Matthews had 4!”
ColbyChaos
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Poopsdman is gonna be talking how Nazar and Bedard suck if both go pointless 3 games in a row
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I enjoy not knowing what most of yall are fighting about because I have certain posters ignored.
ColbyChaos
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With Fantilli signing in Columbus, Nazar should be given a pretty big role this time around in Michigan now
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