F Dalibor Dvorsky (2023, 10th, STL)

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He has been bad. Clearly not good enough for the SHL at the moment. His defense and work ethic has been worse than his offense. I would not mind seeing him sent down to HockeyAllsvenskan for a handfull of games. Maybe he can find his game again.

Judging by fan reactions online, his lackluster performances are starting to ”itch”…then again… the team is not doing well at all.
 
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I don't think it has much to do with his team, he's just too slow for the league right now.
His skating is a concern but he's also not very good against the puck. He's always playing bottom six on bad teams so that doesn't fit his skillset. He'd be much better on a strong team's scoring line. On the plus side, this way, he gets to work on his weaknesses. But yeah. He has to figure his stuff out and some point, not having any success whatsoever against men might also hurt his confidence. Time will tell if it was a wise choice to join his current team. I'm not sure he'd have gotten similar ice time on a better team though. Certainly not in the SHL.
 

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If Dvorsky sucks in SHL and his team sucks then would it make perfect sense to go play somewhere else?
I don’t understand why he was so set on playing in the SHL, personally a year of junior hockey in the OHL or WHL would have been great for him. Or going to the Blues AHL affiliate, where they could directly control his usage and monitor him much more closely. Meanwhile Danielson looks likes a sure fire strong 2C in Red Wings camp, benson doing his thing in Buffalo camp and made the team. 2022 and 2023 drafts shaping up to be a little worrisome for Slovak hockey fans :oops:.
 

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I don’t understand why he was so set on playing in the SHL, personally a year of junior hockey in the OHL or WHL would have been great for him. Or going to the Blues AHL affiliate, where they could directly control his usage and monitor him much more closely. Meanwhile Danielson looks likes a sure fire strong 2C in Red Wings camp, benson doing his thing in Buffalo camp and made the team. 2022 and 2023 drafts shaping up to be a little worrisome for Slovak hockey fans :oops:.

CHL leagues are great for player development. Best junior leagues in the world. Having said that, Dvorsky has dominated fellow kids at will previously. He likely could have done the same there. I'm not sure this would make him a much better player though. He'd get used to NA ice and it would help his confidence. Other than that? I have my doubts. The kid needs to adjust his game to pro hockey, work on his weaknesses. If his current team is the right place to do that...we'll find out. Maybe AHL or an another year in the Allsvenskan would have been better but it's too early to tell.
 
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I don’t understand why he was so set on playing in the SHL, personally a year of junior hockey in the OHL or WHL would have been great for him. Or going to the Blues AHL affiliate, where they could directly control his usage and monitor him much more closely. Meanwhile Danielson looks likes a sure fire strong 2C in Red Wings camp, benson doing his thing in Buffalo camp and made the team. 2022 and 2023 drafts shaping up to be a little worrisome for Slovak hockey fans :oops:.
Liiga could be another option. Better than Allsvenskan, but not as good as SHL.
 

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I don’t understand why he was so set on playing in the SHL, personally a year of junior hockey in the OHL or WHL would have been great for him. Or going to the Blues AHL affiliate, where they could directly control his usage and monitor him much more closely. Meanwhile Danielson looks likes a sure fire strong 2C in Red Wings camp, benson doing his thing in Buffalo camp and made the team. 2022 and 2023 drafts shaping up to be a little worrisome for Slovak hockey fans :oops:.

He lives in Sweden how many years? Its like a second home for him.
SHL is top SENIOR league.
Money? He has now a professional contract. In CHL there is only a few bucks in a week as i know.
 

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The Blues are probably a little concerned but not much really. Not yet, and it may have even been expected, to an extent. If he’s still struggling at the end of the season, then concern will grow.

The concern isn’t even that he’s struggling in the SHL. There’s an adjustment period. The concern is, every time he ever “plays up” he struggles real badly. Usually that’s because of strength mostly. That’s not the case here.

He looks like he might have a problem with processing the speed of the game. That’s a concern, but usually not with the final product. Just takes longer to develop. Sometimes…

It’s not Hockey IQ like many will say. He’s a smart player. It’s that he’s not reacting to what’s coming next. You’ll hear NHL people call it “thinking the game” or they’ll say “let’s see how a kid thinks the game.” That’s what they mean. Can he process what’s happening quickly enough to respond?

It’s why Benson and Danielson did so well in camps. They never looked a step behind. They think the game really well. At NHL levels. So they will play in the NHL at a young age. Great on them.

So what does it mean? Nothing yet. This is why sometimes it takes players longer to develop. You will see kids like Korchinski, Benson, Danielson, Minton all play in the NHL at 20, and maybe the rest of their draft classes NOT until they’re 21-22-23. Some kids have to dominate at every level before they can play in the NHL. Sometimes those players end up just as good as the kids who are ready sooner. It all just depends. Too many fans think if a player plays in the NHL earlier, that means he’s much better. That’s only the case sometimes.

There are however a lot of kids who never make it because of this exact reason. They can be super skilled too, but they just can’t process what’s going on “fast enough” to play in the NHL. They could be the fastest skater out there too. Means nothing if you can’t play on the same page as the best players in the world. That’s the ultimate concern. That’s the concern that will start popping up with him, if he’s still struggling this much come February. Doesn’t even mean he has to start scoring. Just that he can play with those guys. His natural talent will come out at some point, and the scoring will come. First things first though. He’s gotta be able to process and react to what’s going on first..
 

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Eklund had a bad +1 season in Sweden too. No need to worry. He was fantastic in development camp
I think you're missing the point here. Dvorsky was always great vs fellow kids playing the same game men does not work for him. This is the real problem, not his current team or whatever. Remember he was very poor in the Allsvenskan as well. Dvorsky has to work on his weaknesses like skating and positioning against the puck. And he's gotta make adjustments. If you dominate fellow kids at will that can lead to bad habits.
 
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Totally get not wanting to play junior (earning a real salary vs the pittance in CHL) but he should really consider the OHL if he's looking at a season of 12-13th forward status. There's no way he's too good for the OHL or has nothing to gain from it just because he dominated Sweden juniors. No offense to the Swedish system but their junior leagues aren't a major direct artery to the NHL like Canada's are. The high end talent in those leagues can make up for the lack of physical maturity they have.
 

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Totally get not wanting to play junior (earning a real salary vs the pittance in CHL) but he should really consider the OHL if he's looking at a season of 12-13th forward status. There's no way he's too good for the OHL or has nothing to gain from it just because he dominated Sweden juniors. No offense to the Swedish system but their junior leagues aren't a major direct artery to the NHL like Canada's are. The high end talent in those leagues can make up for the lack of physical maturity they have.

Dvorsky is physically mature. The CHL leagues would suit him even better than the Swedish junior leagues. Smaller ice suits poor skaters. You want Dvorsky to learn how to play pro hockey not to develop even more bad habits dominating kids.
 

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Call me crazy but I think having poor skating is more of a challenge on smaller ice than big ice.

Theres way less time and space on the smaller rinks, there is so much more start and stop, needing to use your agility and edges more to get around and through other players, players will automatically be closer to you by default.

At the very least, I don't think it really makes that much of a difference.
 

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The key thing at this point I guess is that he gets the opportunity to work through this and develop that ability to read and make decisions faster. Like one poster said above, the points are secondary. He just needs the reps. Sometimes that's difficult in Sweden, where if you're not making a big immediate impact the coaches will be content to sit these young players. Not their problem, right?
 
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Call me crazy but I think having poor skating is more of a challenge on smaller ice than big ice.

Theres way less time and space on the smaller rinks, there is so much more start and stop, needing to use your agility and edges more to get around and through other players, players will automatically be closer to you by default.

At the very least, I don't think it really makes that much of a difference.


In the AHL that might be the case but in the CHL Dvorsky would just power his way through...as he always did vs fellow kids.

On European ice, automatically, you're making more distance. You have to cover much more ground. Especially against the puck. Makes it so much harder to defend if your opponent has much more room. On smaller ice you can just shut some doors and limit the opponent's options whereas on European ice you just gotta have the speed and mobility to defend despite the attacker having much more options.

I think playing pro hockey in Europe is important now for Dvorsky. If his current team is the best way to adjust to pro hockey is a different story.
 
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His skating looks bad at this level but the SHL is a difficult league for a U20 player to succeed in. Leaving him in the Allsvenskan to become a top player in that league first would have been better for his development.
 

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Aftonbladet now speculating that Oskarshamn could be running out of patience with him.

 

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