F Dalibor Dvorsky (2023, 10th, STL)

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Dvorsky is physically mature. The CHL leagues would suit him even better than the Swedish junior leagues. Smaller ice suits poor skaters. You want Dvorsky to learn how to play pro hockey not to develop even more bad habits dominating kids.

I very strongly disagree with this. Poor skaters are very often exposed in American pro leagues because they have even less time to make plays. On Olympic size ice, you can use other skills to protect the puck in different areas of the ice. That's why you have guys like Dimitrij Jaskin & Ty Rattie find success in European Leagues when they were too poor of skaters for the NHL. Better skaters have more tools to create space for themselves in North America.
 

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I very strongly disagree with this. Poor skaters are very often exposed in American pro leagues because they have even less time to make plays. On Olympic size ice, you can use other skills to protect the puck in different areas of the ice. That's why you have guys like Dimitrij Jaskin & Ty Rattie find success in European Leagues when they were too poor of skaters for the NHL. Better skaters have more tools to create space for themselves in North America.
Every situation is unique. These two weren't the worst skaters in the NHL. It's just that they couldn't find a role in the NHL that would have allowed them to stick around for longer. As a team you can always make up for somebody's flaws if he provides enough value for you in other areas. Whether it makes sense to do it is depending on the team's roster and strategy.

Also, Rattie was actually quite the failure at first in Europe as well. Didn't manage to stick in Russia or Finland before finding a home in Sweden where hockey is a bit more defensive minded, tactical and structured rather than fast paced.

I can tell you that when ex NHLers bust in Europe the reason is almost always skating. Justin Abdelkader is a good recent example.

Anyway, I guess we can all agree that Dvorsky shouldn't go back to juniors. The CHL leagues are great for most hockey prospects but not for Dvorsky. AHL would be an option but I'd rather see him on European ice for now.
 
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They don't need to buyout his contract since he is signed to an ELC with STL. They can put him in the AHL (or ECHL) at any point, Toronto brought Nylander over from Sweden halfway through the 2014-15 season.
I'm hoping if this continues. The Blues pull him over and fully take over his development as long as Dvorsky is ok with it.
 

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Agree with many above about small ice and skating. Much harder as you need insane edge work, instant acceleration to create space for yourself. It's why Hockey Canada, for instance, split the rinks into 3 rinks and used small nets. To develop skill as there is always someone there in front of you (regardless of skating abilitity). Much less time to think = more skill required to get open.

SHL has produced a lot of high end first rounders and players. Hopefully it turns around for him. The second league (Alvensken?) is also very good. Personally, I'd want him in CHL working on small ice and getting a LOT of minutes.
 

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Sounds like the wheels might already be in motion to get him somewhere else

via google translate:
For the second time in a row, Dalibor Dvorský is only the 13th striker in Oskarshamn's lineup, last time he played only 1:35 min. According to Swedish sources, it is possible that he will eventually leave the team. After 9 games in the jersey of the last SHL team, he has a record of 0+0 and -6.

 

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Every situation is unique. These two weren't the worst skaters in the NHL. It's just that they couldn't find a role in the NHL that would have allowed them to stick around for longer. As a team you can always make up for somebody's flaws if he provides enough value for you in other areas. Whether it makes sense to do it is depending on the team's roster and strategy.

Also, Rattie was actually quite the failure at first in Europe as well. Didn't manage to stick in Russia or Finland before finding a home in Sweden where hockey is a bit more defensive minded, tactical and structured rather than fast paced.

I can tell you that when ex NHLers bust in Europe the reason is almost always skating. Justin Abdelkader is a good recent example.

Anyway, I guess we can all agree that Dvorsky shouldn't go back to juniors. The CHL leagues are great for most hockey prospects but not for Dvorsky. AHL would be an option but I'd rather see him on European ice for now.
Another good example is Martin Frk. Repeatedly scratched in Bern with coach Tapola publicly criticizing his skating. Colton Sceviour is in Tapola's doghouse for the exact same reason. These guys weren't horrible skaters in the NHL let alone the AHL but they're deemed not good enough by a European coach. So while it all depends on what the coaches want and the system they're running, you're certainly not well positioned as a poor skater on wider European ice. Swedish hockey isn't necessarily fast paced but Dvorsky would find it much easier to adjust to pro hockey if his skating was better.
 

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Oskarshamn, Blues, & Dalibor are breaking the contract.
Wow, major news. What a tough start to his career. Hopefully this is the start of some positive momentum.
 

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Will he be going to the AHL?
He is eligible but if he was having trouble in staying on a weak roster in Sweden then the AHL as an 18-year-old might not be a good idea. Of course Blues would be able to exert more control over his development in the AHL by ensuring he's not the 12-13th forward in Springfield, so maybe they do go that route.

Sudbury could definitely use a big C who can shoot. Vondras has been killing it for them so I imagine Chromiak is the odd one out to make import slot room should Dvorsky end up there.
 
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Don't like this at all. Allsvenskan would have been a better option. Hope he's not gonna play junior hockey at least. Could help his confidence but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't make him a better player. He has to learn how to play against men now. Dominating kids would lead to nothing but bad habits.

If this means reduced ice time, so be it. Gives him time to watch video and do extra skating practices...that's gonna help him a lot down the road.
 
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Don't like this at all. Allsvenskan would have been a better option. Hope he's not gonna play junior hockey at least. Could help his confidence but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't make him a better player. He has to learn how to play against men now. Dominating kids would lead to nothing but bad habits.

If this means reduced ice time, so be it. Gives him time to watch video and do extra skating practices...that's gonna help him a lot down the road.
Way better players than Dvorsky have benefited from d+1 time in the CHL
 

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Way better players than Dvorsky have benefited from d+1 time in the CHL
Agreed. Some will view this as a step down but it’s the best option given the circumstances IMO. And while he dominated Swedish Jrs last season in limited action (21 pts in 10 games), the OHL is a bit of a step up and it’ll be good for him to get on N.A. ice and get used to the smaller surface with less time and space to operate.
 
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Way better players than Dvorsky have benefited from d+1 time in the CHL
Dvorsky is one of those cases who dominate fellow kids just because they're physically imposing. Also, fellow kids can't really expose his poor play against the puck and his poor skating the way pros can. The problem with him playing vs kids is that he already mastered it years ago and can dominate at will as the player he is right now. Though his game isn't good enough to keep up with pros, he doesn't have to change his game to dominate kids. This is a major problem. CHL leagues are great even for very strong players but I'm afraid Dvorsky isn't one of them. Each league, each tournament he played vs kids in he dominated. For years. Despite all of this he keeps on struggling vs men, still hasn't figured it out. That's what his focus should be right now. On changing his game, finally adjusting to pro hockey. He knows it and still went back to juniors. Mindboggling.

The player himself publicly said he's done with junior hockey. Just a few months later he's back playing vs kids. I don't get it. If you know you're not gonna learn anything then why would you give up after 10 games?
 
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