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I have no idea how people can still question his offensive upside after this tournament. Combine that with the rest of his play and he should be picked fairly high.
F Dalibor Dvorsky (2023, 10th, STL)
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WarriorofTime
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Best player of the tournament for me. Should definitely massively improve his draft stock.
Should’ve been MVP of the tournament
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I think you still can question how high is offensive upside really is.
His shot is too much for goaltenders at this level and his puck protection skills, attention to detail and inside game are obviously great.
But the overtime kinda showed where he's limited offensively, he doesn't really break his defenders down often enough, he will have to rely on teammates to do that for him.
Which is why I wouldn't be so sure Montreal will take him as other's keep proclaiming, they don't have a lot of one on one talent either.
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I agree, he went from underrated to overrated. Before the tournament, no one was talking about him and you had guys like David St Louis calling him a 40 point forward. Now people are talking him at 5th overall.
He's always been in that 8-12 range for me. I see him as a 30+ goal, 60-70 point center who's good defensively. That's a really good 2C, but I don't see a franchise center here. If he was a step faster, I think he'd be a slam dunk top 5 pick, but alas.
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Dvorsky convinced me he’s worth a pick in the 8-10 range with his excellent U18. But despite how effective he was, I just don’t see the high end skill that would convince me to take him over any of the big-4 +Smith/Benson. I have Reinbacher and Leonard above Dvorsky in my rankings as well, though I think those three are fairly interchangeable.
Everyone wants a superstar in the top-10, but often forget that if you get a good, consistent 2C from a pick in the 5-10 range, you’ve done very well. I think Dvorsky has a really good chance of being a strong two-way high-end 2C for a long time. Think Logan Couture, maybe. Reliably hits 60-65 points every single season, plays in all situations, and can be counted on when it comes to crunch time. I’d take him at #9, like Logan Couture 16 years ago.
Everyone wants a superstar in the top-10, but often forget that if you get a good, consistent 2C from a pick in the 5-10 range, you’ve done very well. I think Dvorsky has a really good chance of being a strong two-way high-end 2C for a long time. Think Logan Couture, maybe. Reliably hits 60-65 points every single season, plays in all situations, and can be counted on when it comes to crunch time. I’d take him at #9, like Logan Couture 16 years ago.
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i don’t think his stock changed much in my
eyes from the tournament. It’s really nothing I didn’t know going into the tournamet. He‘s still in the 10-15 range In my opinion.
eyes from the tournament. It’s really nothing I didn’t know going into the tournamet. He‘s still in the 10-15 range In my opinion.
I don't know why Kopitar is even mentioned in this thread. Dvorsky is nothing like him.
If there's a potential Kopitar in this year's draft it's Carlsson, and he's ranked top 4 for a reason.
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He scored 3/5 of all Slovakia goals, ended the tournament 6th in scoring with poor supporting cast, in a strong group, led a weak Slovakian roster to the quarters where they came few seconds away from winning bronze against TC, but yeah, very little achievement, not really worth a rise in the rankings lol. He solidly ranks at 6 for me. Power center with a great shooting arsenal and strong 200 ft. game, will go top 7 easily.
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Antiillafire
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I guess it depends on how an individual viewed him before the tournament as well. I do think there is a better chance that zero other players from Slovakia’s U18 team get drafted than Dvorsky falling out of the top 10-12 in the draft. It already looks like the lowest amount of players drafted from a team finishing in the top 4 in U18 history.
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He had a great U18’s. That’s for sure. But one tournament isn’t going to sway my opinion too drastically, there is ALOT of good kids in this draft with massive potential.
I disagree he’ll go that high - but I respect your opinion. And it’s difference of opinion that makes scouting great.
I don’t think he has the high end upside necessary for a selection that high. His offensive consistency this year wasn‘t great and for most of the year, up until the U18‘s I have found he has been a passenger for his teams when he should be driving the offence.
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He was pretty full value for the points he put up. You could argue that he scored 4 goals against the team that was relegated by Norway, but you can only play the opponent in front of you, and he had some gutsy performances against much better teams, like Canada, USA, Finland.
It was one of the more memorable U18 performances that I've seen.
BuffLumber
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Ever hear of Cedzo or Pekarcik before the u18? They also had amazing performances without being the center of the universe every shift.
I hadn't really heard of them, but Pekarcik is definitely worth a pick IMO.
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99.9 % of HF “scouts” have never seen cedzo or Pekarcik play besides the 3-4 games at Hlinka prior to the U18 tournament, even people commenting on Pekarcik online like they watched Nitra games is a bit of a meme.
Cedzo was barely over a ppg in the Czech junior league. I believe you could fit the entire Swedish and Finnish teams into NHL central scouting spots ahead of him. He’s the 2023 U18 WC version of Jere Lassila from Finland last year.
Like I said above, this team will have the least amount of drafted players in the history of a team that finishes as a top 4 at the U18s
McKenzie and his panel of scouts ranked him number 6 in his latest May rankings. Given his dominant U18s I suspect he will go in the 5-8 range.
Although he’ll be ranked around 9-10 in my personal final rankings, I can see why NHL teams seem to love this guy more than us amateurs. Sure fire C who at his best can provide 30 goals because of his fantastic shot, all while proving a superb two-way game. That’s valuable af.
Although he’ll be ranked around 9-10 in my personal final rankings, I can see why NHL teams seem to love this guy more than us amateurs. Sure fire C who at his best can provide 30 goals because of his fantastic shot, all while proving a superb two-way game. That’s valuable af.
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Dvorsky is the '23 verison of Lucas Raymond. Had been in previous year discussions as a top 3 pick, then everyone forgot about him for a year, ends up going top 5-7 anyways and plays in a top 6 role by his D+2.
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I think he is one of the top 6 in the draft, I expect Dvorsky along with Michkov and Smith to go in the 4,5,6 spots in no particular order.
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If he was in the CHL or on the USNDTP he wouldn't be so underrated. He is playing a defensively responsible game as a center in a Euro pro league and I think his stats influence too many on this board. Imagine the damage he would have done with a better surrounding cast at the U18's. He still lit it up despite being the entire focus of the opposition.
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