F Charlie Stramel - Michigan State University, NCAA (2023, 21st, MIN)

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Their leading scorer is an ‘04… maybe you’re a bit new to college hockey but yes “super seniors” are often amongst the top players in the country. Not sure why you think every nhl draft pick should automatically be ahead of them in the lineup.

Good for Cruz Lucius. I don’t dislike the success of American players, unlike you.

The six leading scorers after him.

Senior
Super Super Senior
Senior
Super Senior
Super Senior
Super Super Super Senior

 

[57special]

Irrelevant how good or bad they are.

I’m not a Wisconsin hockey fan and this isn’t a college hockey website.

This website is for fans of NHL fans and fans of hockey nations. As a fan of American hockey, I don’t approve of a first round pick playing 4RW because he was playing injured and had a few bad games. That’s poor coaching, regardless. And nothing I said is wrong. The dude stacked the lineup with older players. Good for him that his team is winning. I guess that’s his job description, and he doesn’t care to develop players into NHL’ers, but anyone with real NHL potential shouldn’t be going there.

Yet you make sweeping generalizations about WI college hockey. Are you not aware that they have a new coach who has an excellent track record, and that WI is playing very well this year? Isn't it possible that you have a pro Stramel bias, and that is coloring your perceptions?

Stramel has been crap for all of last year, and most of this. i am not happy about it, because he was my team's 1st round pick, but that's the way it is. Last night was a step in the right direction, hopefully.... if you had watched you would've seen that his coach rewarded his game with PP TOI later in the game.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Yet you make sweeping generalizations about WI college hockey. Are you not aware that they have a new coach who has an excellent track record, and that WI is playing very well this year? Isn't it possible that you have a pro Stramel bias, and that is coloring your perceptions?

Stramel has been crap for all of last year, and most of this. i am not happy about it, because he was my team's 1st round pick, but that's the way it is. Last night was a step in the right direction, hopefully.... if you had watched you would've seen that his coach rewarded his game with PP TOI later in the game.

Rewarded? Why shouldn’t he be on the PP regularly?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

4 points in his last 2 games from the fourth line.

 

[MTU34]

The six leading scorers after him.

Senior
Super Super Senior
Senior
Super Senior
Super Senior
Super Super Super Senior

This is objectively wrong.

Wisconsins leading scorers this season (aside from Lucius):
Christian Fitzgerald, Sophomore
Ben Dexheimer, Sophmore
Owen Lindmark, 5th year
Mathieu De St Phalle, Senior
Simon Tassy, Sophomore
David Silye, Senior
William Whitelaw, Freshman
Carson Bantle, Senior

Seems to me like you add on to players experience because you’ve always just assumed that the average college hockey freshman comes in at 18 (which is another thing that is blatantly untrue). Creating a blatant lie to fit your narrative isn’t a good look

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

This is objectively wrong.

Wisconsins leading scorers this season (aside from Lucius):
Christian Fitzgerald, Sophomore
Ben Dexheimer, Sophmore
Owen Lindmark, 5th year
Mathieu De St Phalle, Senior
Simon Tassy, Sophomore
David Silye, Senior
William Whitelaw, Freshman
Carson Bantle, Senior

Seems to me like you add on to players experience because you’ve always just assumed that the average college hockey freshman comes in at 18 (which is another thing that is blatantly untrue). Creating a blatant lie to fit your narrative isn’t a good look

It’s correct based on their age. I don’t consider a guy joining college when he’s 20 to be a freshman.

This is part of this absurd trend where you get dudes in their mid 20’s playing college sports against 18 year olds. It’s not right and no one should act like they are something they aren’t.

 

[MTU34]

It’s correct based on their age. I don’t consider a guy joining college when he’s 20 to be a freshman.

This is part of this absurd trend where you get dudes in their mid 20’s playing college sports against 18 year olds. It’s not right and no one should act like they are something they aren’t.

The average college hockey freshman has always come into school after finishing their junior eligibility. This isn’t some absurd new trend. NHL first round picks have ALWAYS been the exception to the rule. But then again, you just admitted that you not liking something apparently makes it completely false

I also find it hilarious that your biggest excuse for Stramel is crying about “super seniors”. No other 04 or 05 born first round picks are struggling to make an impact in college hockey and they’re all facing the EXACT same scenario that Stramel is. Maybe your boy just isn’t very good?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The average college hockey freshman has always come into school after finishing their junior eligibility. This isn’t some absurd new trend. NHL first round picks have ALWAYS been the exception to the rule. But then again, you just admitted that you not liking something apparently makes it completely false

I also find it hilarious that your biggest excuse for Stramel is crying about “super seniors”. No other 04 or 05 born first round picks are struggling to make an impact in college hockey and they’re all facing the EXACT same scenario that Stramel is. Maybe your boy just isn’t very good?

The average person who attends college in the United States attends at 17 or 18, depending on when in a year they are born.

Don’t normalize this trend. They are what I said they are.

 

[MTU34]

The average person who attends college in the United States attends at 17 or 18, depending on when in a year they are born.

Don’t normalize this trend. They are what I said they are.

1. I’m currently in college in the United States. The average freshman is absolutely not 17 (well done with another blatant lie)

2. Do you genuinely think that athletes are at all comparable to the average student? Give me a f***ing break

99% of the arguments you make on this site are laughable but this one takes the f***ing cake. Constant lies and strawmans

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

1. I’m currently in college in the United States. The average freshman is absolutely not 17 (well done with another blatant lie)

2. Do you genuinely think that athletes are at all comparable to the average student? Give me a f***ing break

99% of the arguments you make on this site are laughable but this one takes the f***ing cake. Constant lies and strawmans

I didn’t say the average freshman is 17 years old. The average freshman is probably 18, if we are to be technical about it. I said the average freshman that attends college in the United States is either 17 or 18.

And that’s a terrible argument that athletes are somehow different, so 20 year olds should be considered freshmen. If you look at the most successful athletes in any of these sports over the years, it’s usually the players that don’t need any crazy age advantages over kids 4-6 years younger, and can be competitive at the normal age for each of the four years.

If you see a player in college hockey who turns 23 during their Spring semester or is older than that, they almost certainly aren’t an NHL prospect. The majority who go onto play in the NHL don’t even reach their senior year.

 

[Breakers]

Jesus this guy makes a lot of excuses for a guy performing like sh/t for weeks. his own coach hastings even said they are expecting more from him.

Is anything ever this kids fault according to some arguments in this thread?

Reminds me of the arguments for Boucher being dropped consistently further down the lineup. It’s everybody else’s fault.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The point is that most kids finish their junior eligibility. Some kids even play an overage season. A few kids enter their age 19 season and only a small number enter in their age 18 season (USNDTP kids, first round picks). And besides that, high impact nhl prospects are able to make their mark on highly competitive ncaa teams even when they are still teenagers even in an overall field of college teams that skew old (average age in ncaa hockey is like 22). If a team consisting of teenagers sucks or a teen can’t make a mark on a team with older players, it’s often a red flag towards their development.

As for Stramel, good for him for a great weekend. Perhaps getting cut from the world juniors camp roster sparked a bit of a fire in him that was lacking before. If he can use that as motivation for the rest of the season, that would mean good things for him and Wisconsin.

 

[MTU34]

I didn’t say the average freshman is 17 years old. The average freshman is probably 18, if we are to be technical about it. I said the average freshman that attends college in the United States is either 17 or 18.

And that’s a terrible argument that athletes are somehow different, so 20 year olds should be considered freshmen. If you look at the most successful athletes in any of these sports over the years, it’s usually the players that don’t need any crazy age advantages over kids 4-6 years younger, and can be competitive at the normal age for each of the four years.

If you see a player in college hockey who turns 23 during their Spring semester or is older than that, they almost certainly aren’t an NHL prospect. The majority who go onto play in the NHL don’t even reach their senior year.

Is collegiate hockey not a significant step up from junior? In the US world junior roster thread you were bitching about how they took major junior players instead of Stramel with the rational that “anyone can score in junior”, but now apparently guys playing their first year of college hockey aren’t freshman because they played a couple of years of junior?

Which one is it? Can’t have it both ways

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The point is that most kids finish their junior eligibility. Some kids even play an overage season. A few kids enter their age 19 season and only a small number enter in their age 18 season (USNDTP kids, first round picks). And besides that, high impact nhl prospects are able to make their mark on highly competitive ncaa teams even when they are still teenagers even in an overall field of college teams that skew old (average age in ncaa hockey is like 22). If a team consisting of teenagers sucks or a teen can’t make a mark on a team with older players, it’s often a red flag towards their development.

As for Stramel, good for him for a great weekend. Perhaps getting cut from the world juniors camp roster sparked a bit of a fire in him that was lacking before. If he can use that as motivation for the rest of the season, that would mean good things for him and Wisconsin.

You were railing against Stramel just yesterday. Now it's "good for him" that he's disproportionately producing from his spot in the lineup?

4th liners don't score 4 points in 2 games. That's a sign of a player who shouldn't be on the fourth line. You can back the super-senior whisperer and his super-seniors that have no NHL future. I couldn't care less if the team is winning a lot of games with an older roster that cheats the system. I am not a Wisconsin hockey fan, so I don't need to play pretend that I care.

Actually, what's funny is that Stramel is producing better than last season, got injured and missed games earlier this season, played through those injuries which made him less effective, has been demoted to the fourth line which is lower than where he was in the lineup last season, and still is putting up better numbers than last season.

Everyone can remember here that you (and some others) backed the irrelevant coach who loads his team up with older players to cheat the system, and the super seniors no one has ever heard of and will ever hear of. As a fan of American hockey, I have no qualms that I want an American first round pick to not be playing on the fourth line when he has 4 points in 2 games. We're talking about Wisconsin, not the American Olympic team. It's a team of nobodies. It's bad for his progression, and I hope he's smart enough to get a guarantee of top 6 minutes next season or go elsewhere.

 

[WarriorofTime]

You can back the super-senior whisperer and his super-seniors that have no NHL future. I couldn't care less if the team is winning a lot of games with an older roster that cheats the system. I am not a Wisconsin hockey fan, so I don't need to play pretend that I care.

Cheats the system, lol. For an American hockey fan, it’s pretty shocking how poor your understanding is of how hockey in USA is structured.

 

[ryan callahan]

I am losing brain cells reading this thread. Stramel blows. Accept it.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Cheats the system, lol. For an American hockey fan, it’s pretty shocking how poor your understanding is of how hockey in USA is structured.

He'll use any excuse possible to argue that Stramel = Fantilli. Careful with your criticism though, you are gonna end up blocked like me.

I actually like a lot of what Stramel can bring, and could definitely see him turning into a bottom 6C one day. But he's pretty clearly not the elite prospect that Pavel wants everyone to think he is.

 

[Nabrules]

Make no mistake about it, although Stramel still has NHL upside, even to be as high as as a middle 6 player, he has been some degree of underwhelming for 2 seasons now, especially this year.

 

[Juxtaposer]

You were railing against Stramel just yesterday. Now it's "good for him" that he's disproportionately producing from his spot in the lineup?

4th liners don't score 4 points in 2 games. That's a sign of a player who shouldn't be on the fourth line. You can back the super-senior whisperer and his super-seniors that have no NHL future. I couldn't care less if the team is winning a lot of games with an older roster that cheats the system. I am not a Wisconsin hockey fan, so I don't need to play pretend that I care.

Actually, what's funny is that Stramel is producing better than last season, got injured and missed games earlier this season, played through those injuries which made him less effective, has been demoted to the fourth line which is lower than where he was in the lineup last season, and still is putting up better numbers than last season.

Everyone can remember here that you (and some others) backed the irrelevant coach who loads his team up with older players to cheat the system, and the super seniors no one has ever heard of and will ever hear of. As a fan of American hockey, I have no qualms that I want an American first round pick to not be playing on the fourth line when he has 4 points in 2 games. We're talking about Wisconsin, not the American Olympic team. It's a team of nobodies. It's bad for his progression, and I hope he's smart enough to get a guarantee of top 6 minutes next season or go elsewhere.

I have seen three point collegiate games from guys without a chance at ever cracking an NHL roster. Shit happens in small sample sizes. I watched the highlights as well and Stramel’s three assists were not particularly excellent hockey players to write home about…

 

[MS]

Probably best if you're a Wild fan to pretend you took Riley Heidt with your 1st round pick and Stramel with your 3rd, and have the world make some sense that way.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Probably best if you're a Wild fan to pretend you took Riley Heidt with your 1st round pick and Stramel with your 3rd, and have the world make some sense that way.

Does Adam Beckman ring a bell?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Probably best if you're a Wild fan to pretend you took Riley Heidt with your 1st round pick and Stramel with your 3rd, and have the world make some sense that way.

2 steps ahead of you.

Does Adam Beckman ring a bell?

As a person, yes. As proof of anything, no.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

As a person, yes. As proof of anything, no.

Well, there are actually a lot of similarities. Third round picks out of the WHL, similar questions about them, and had breakout seasons in the season after being drafted.

How many points do you think Heidt would have on the fourth line in a better league? Impossible to know, but it seems pretty strange that all of a sudden Stramel is some bust because of 12 games (plenty of them playing injured or on the 4th line), but Heidt has 3 months scoring a lot in junior hockey (something everyone knew he could do and we know Stramel can do), and Stramel is actually the third round pick and Heidt is the first round pick.

This is only the type of thing you hear from posters on a website like this.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Well, there are actually a lot of similarities. Third round picks out of the WHL, similar questions about them, and had breakout seasons in the season after being drafted.

How many points do you think Heidt would have on the fourth line in a better league? Impossible to know, but it seems pretty strange that all of a sudden Stramel is some bust because of 12 games (plenty of them playing injured or on the 4th line), but Heidt has 3 months scoring a lot in junior hockey (something everyone knew he could do and we know Stramel can do), and Stramel is actually the third round pick and Heidt is the first round pick.

This is only the type of thing you hear from posters on a website like this.

I have decently high hopes for Stramel, but its not just 12 games. It's 45 games. And I don't consider the WJC the be all and end all. I've seen enough not to do that.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I have decently high hopes for Stramel, but its not just 12 games. It's 45 games. And I don't consider the WJC the be all and end all. I've seen enough not to do that.

You are suggesting he should be a third round pick.