F Alexis Lafreniere - Rimouski Oceanic, QMJHL (2020 Draft) Part 2

[scoutman1]

Top to bottom the Q is easily the worst league. Its not really debatable

lol what an un-educated archaic statement this is, no facts, nothing, no respecting each league for the players it has produced...at least give a reason you think this, have to respect everyones decisions but at least back it up.

 

[bigdog16]

lol what an un-educated archaic statement this is, no facts, nothing, no respecting each league for the players it has produced...at least give a reason you think this, have to respect everyones decisions but at least back it up.

“Of the 339 active players, 162 are graduates of Ontario Hockey League teams while 109 are from the Western Hockey League, and 68 are from the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League.”

 

[TheBeastCoast]

“Of the 339 active players, 162 are graduates of Ontario Hockey League teams while 109 are from the Western Hockey League, and 68 are from the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League.”

Like I said before....that is an incredibly simplistic and surface layer way to actually evaluate the talent coming from the 3 leagues. Is the WHL populating the 3rd and 4th line more valuable then the Q producing more top tier NHL stars? I don't think so but for you to say it isn't a conversation because you found some raw numbers that support your opinion is garbage.

 

[bigdog16]

Like I said before....that is an incredibly simplistic and surface layer way to actually evaluate the talent coming from the 3 leagues. Is the WHL populating the 3rd and 4th line more valuable then the Q producing more top tier NHL stars? I don't think so but for you to say it isn't a conversation because you found some raw numbers that support your opinion is garbage.

And then I said top to bottom the Q is the weakest, which I think that supports. Does it not?

 

[newfy]

“Of the 339 active players, 162 are graduates of Ontario Hockey League teams while 109 are from the Western Hockey League, and 68 are from the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League.”

Yeah this absolutely does not prove that "top to bottom the Q is easily the worst league"and definitely doesnt prove its not debatable.
The WHL having 20 more 4th liners doesnt move the needle enough to outweigh the impact guys like Crosby, Mackinnon, Marchand. The first 2 rounds of the 2018 draft had 4 WHL players vs 8 Q players drafted. 2 of the top 20 scorers last year were from the WHL vs 5 from the Q.

Nothing about that makes it not debatable. I wouldnt even have an issue with someone saying the WHL is better necessarily. But saying the Q is easily the worst league and that its not debatable is pretty ridiculous. I think right now the Q actually has a better argument for being stronger than the WHL

Like I said before....that is an incredibly simplistic and surface layer way to actually evaluate the talent coming from the 3 leagues. Is the WHL populating the 3rd and 4th line more valuable then the Q producing more top tier NHL stars? I don't think so but for you to say it isn't a conversation because you found some raw numbers that support your opinion is garbage.

Agree with everything you've said here. There were 82 QMJHL players on opening night rosters last year so those numbers arent that ridiculously far off to make up for the difference in star calibre from the 2 leagues

 

[TheBeastCoast]

And then I said top to bottom the Q is the weakest, which I think that supports. Does it not?

No? It doesn't develop the quantity. That is pretty much all that supports. I have basically laid out why I think your argument is wrong a couple times already in the last couple pages so I don't feel like repeating myself. If you can bring anything more then some googled raw numbers to the discussion then sure. If you want to have the opinion that the WHL is better? Sure whatever, I disagree but it is fair atleast. But there has been a gross over rating of the WHL and under rating of the Q for years and years now.

 

[pylon17]

Seeing him live tonight.

 

[hockey20000]

kids a talent.. gonna be competeing with McDavid for mvp in 5 years.

 

[Siludin]

Scoring in the QMJHL is always higher. It's a high scoring league. Scoring 90 points in the WHL is harder than scoring 90 points in the QMJHL. If Lafreniere was in a different league, he probably ends up with 10-20 less points than he does in the QMJHL this year. We have to take any ppg numbers in the QMJHL with a grain of salt, but Lafreniere is obviously a top talent and likely still leads any league you put him.

That being said, if you are a merely-pedestrian point-per-game QMJHL player, you might not stack up against an equivalent point-per-game player from the OHL/WHL.

 

[Dominance]

Scoring in the QMJHL is always higher. It's a high scoring league. Scoring 90 points in the WHL is harder than scoring 90 points in the QMJHL. If Lafreniere was in a different league, he probably ends up with 10-20 less points than he does in the QMJHL this year. We have to take any ppg numbers in the QMJHL with a grain of salt, but Lafreniere is obviously a top talent and likely still leads any league you put him.

That being said, if you are a merely-pedestrian point-per-game QMJHL player, you might not stack up against an equivalent point-per-game player from the OHL/WHL.

Missed the part where scoring is actually higher in the other leagues, I see.

 

[Siludin]

Missed the part where scoring is actually higher in the other leagues, I see.

The QMJHL had four teams score 300+ goals last season, the OHL had two and the WHL had one. The team that scored the second-most goals in the WHL had 268 goals.

Edit: I feel bad not arguing the other side of the argument too: the OHL scores a lot of goals as well but has the draft classes to back it up. I think the top end of the QMJHL is great and when they stack their teams they are always fun, but the middle-bottom teams in the other leagues are usually more competitive.

 

[SympathyForTheDevils]

Scoring in the QMJHL is always higher. It's a high scoring league. Scoring 90 points in the WHL is harder than scoring 90 points in the QMJHL. If Lafreniere was in a different league, he probably ends up with 10-20 less points than he does in the QMJHL this year. We have to take any ppg numbers in the QMJHL with a grain of salt, but Lafreniere is obviously a top talent and likely still leads any league you put him.

That being said, if you are a merely-pedestrian point-per-game QMJHL player, you might not stack up against an equivalent point-per-game player from the OHL/WHL.

And yet the WHL had more 90 point scorers last year.

The QMJHL had four teams score 300+ goals last season, the OHL had two and the WHL had one. The team that scored the second-most goals in the WHL had 268 goals.

Edit: I feel bad not arguing the other side of the argument too: the OHL scores a lot of goals as well but has the draft classes to back it up. I think the top end of the QMJHL is great and when they stack their teams they are always fun, but the middle-bottom teams in the other leagues are usually more competitive.

Based on what? Point distribution is similar in both leagues.

Plus the WHL had more teams score 200 goals than the Q last year. So what? You can argue anything when you put in an arbitrary threshold

 

[Sens72]

3A so far tonight.

 

[pylon17]

Rimouski could’ve won if they played shorthanded, outshot St. John 56-16. Final score 6-1. The 7 best players on the ice were:

D Vincent Martineau Rimouski
Big strong hard hitting defensive RHD.

RW Cedric Pare Rimouski
Lefty on off-wing. Feasted on PP. One-timer is insane, just a bomb of a shot. 2 of his 3 goals were lasers top right corner. If Lafreniere is 6-2 this guy is at least 6-4. He plays RW on Lafreniere’s line ES and PP.

W/C Adam Raska Rimouski
Hard hitting puck hound with skill. Took a cross check to neck with 1 min left, left the game. Scored a goal, drove play, 200 ft game.

D Olivier Desroches St. John
Shut down D was probably SJ’s best player tonight. Scrappy, cross-checked Raska at the end.

G Zachary Bouthillier St. John
Saved 50/56 shots.

D Jeremie Poirier St. John
He can really rush the puck and gain entry but played sloppy with questionable decisions and defensive gaffes.

LW Alexis Lafreniere Rimouski
Stud. Assisted on the first 4 goals. Best player on the ice. Player comparison: Draisaitl/Radulov but tough, Canadian, future captain, more well-rounded.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Lafreniere would be doing the exact same thing in any of the 3 leagues and people really need to get over this stupid "Q qualifier" thing. He is a step above every other player in the CHL period.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Rimouski could’ve won if they played shorthanded, outshot St. John 56-16. Final score 6-1. The 7 best players on the ice were:

D Vincent Martineau Rimouski
Big strong hard hitting defensive RHD.

RW Cedric Pare Rimouski
Lefty on off-wing. Feasted on PP. One-timer is insane, just a bomb of a shot. 2 of his 3 goals were lasers top right corner. If Lafreniere is 6-2 this guy is at least 6-4. He plays RW on Lafreniere’s line ES and PP.

W/C Adam Raska Rimouski
Hard hitting puck hound with skill. Took a cross check to neck with 1 min left, left the game. Scored a goal, drove play, 200 ft game.

D Olivier Desroches St. John
Shut down D was probably SJ’s best player tonight. Scrappy, cross-checked Raska at the end.

G Zachary Bouthillier St. John
Saved 50/56 shots.

D Jeremie Poirier St. John
He can really rush the puck and gain entry but played sloppy with questionable decisions and defensive gaffes.

LW Alexis Lafreniere Rimouski
Stud. Assisted on the first 4 goals. Best player on the ice. Player comparison: Draisaitl/Radulov but tough, Canadian, future captain, more well-rounded.

Didn't Zavgorodny have 3 primary assists, +1 secondary and a goal?, Belliveau (D) had a goal an assist, when Poirier didn't score a single point. Raska > Zavgorodny and Poirier, Martineau > Belliveau in this game?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Scoring in the QMJHL is always higher. It's a high scoring league. Scoring 90 points in the WHL is harder than scoring 90 points in the QMJHL. If Lafreniere was in a different league, he probably ends up with 10-20 less points than he does in the QMJHL this year. We have to take any ppg numbers in the QMJHL with a grain of salt, but Lafreniere is obviously a top talent and likely still leads any league you put him.

That being said, if you are a merely-pedestrian point-per-game QMJHL player, you might not stack up against an equivalent point-per-game player from the OHL/WHL.

This hasn’t been remotely true for a while now.

You’re also saying that if Lafreniere was in the OHL last year he would only have ~85pts instead of 103? Or that his rookie campaign he would have only been a 60-70pt scorer and isn’t actually any better than Perfetti?

 

[The Flow]

He's currently almost scoring at Crosby's level in his draft year. It's a small sample size since its still beginning of the season.

Crosby: 2.709 PPG
Lafrenière: 2.529 PPG

Not saying he is as good as Crosby, but clearly very high potential. Franchise/Generational potential talent.

Whichever team that gets him is very lucky.

 

[Killerjas]

Crosby regen

 

[Hfbsux]

Didn't Zavgorodny have 3 primary assists, +1 secondary and a goal?, Belliveau (D) had a goal an assist, when Poirier didn't score a single point. Raska > Zavgorodny and Poirier, Martineau > Belliveau in this game?

He watched the game, you looked at the score sheet. You sure do love your stats (nothing wrong with that).

 

[Devilsfan118]

He's currently almost scoring at Crosby's level in his draft year. It's a small sample size since its still beginning of the season.

Crosby: 2.709 PPG
Lafrenière: 2.529 PPG

Not saying he is as good as Crosby, but clearly very high potential. Franchise/Generational potential talent.

Whichever team that gets him is very lucky.

He's a year older than Crosby was in that season though, isn't he?

Thought I read that somewhere.

 

[WildWillie]

He watched the game, you looked at the score sheet. You sure do love your stats (nothing wrong with that).

I think the poster that evaluated the game was putting a lot of weight on grit, physicality, and strength. Olivier Desroches may be a solid scrappy D, but saying he out performed Zav is a little absurd. The Zav guy had some beautiful vision on the PP and that give and go that he finished 5 on 5 where he made SJ's best player (Guay) look like a pilon before deking the goalie was also great.

I agree stats are not everything and so so many posters only go by them when drawing an argument/conclusion. In this case, Zav was one of the best players regardless if they had not finished on any of there chances.

 

[Gold Standard]

He's a year older than Crosby was in that season though, isn't he?

Thought I read that somewhere.

just short of a year. Sid has a August b-day. Alexis is an October baby. so 10 months age difference. There is a difference. At Alexis age Sid was scoring 100 pts in a rookie NHL season. I doubt Alexis hits 50 pts. next year in the NHL. I do hope Alexis gets in some games with the big boys at the World Championship in May. Let's see how ready he is for the pros.

 

[bigdog16]

He's a year older than Crosby was in that season though, isn't he?

Thought I read that somewhere.

10 months older

 

[Artorius Horus T]

He watched the game, you looked at the score sheet. You sure do love your stats (nothing wrong with that).

I did watch the 4 min highlight video thou,,.. not that it weighs much to watching the entire game.