F Alexis Lafreniere - Rimouski Oceanic, QMJHL (2020 Draft) Part 2

[bigdog16]

On top of that 4 players in the top 10 in scoring from last year are former Q players. Remarkable for such a supposedly inferior league.

Top to bottom the Q is easily the worst league. Its not really debatable

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Top to bottom the Q is easily the worst league. Its not really debatable

So they win tons of memorial cups....produce superstar level NHL level talent and are easily the worst? People are stuck 20 years ago I am sorry. The Q is no better or worse then the WHL. The OHL is a step above both just from the depth of talent. It's like people just jam there head in the sand and ignore reality lol

 

[Steve Kournianos]

Top to bottom the Q is easily the worst league. Its not really debatable

Of course it's debatable, especially when the 2020 draft class in the QMJHL has more high-end prospects than the Dub. And this line of thinking has probably hurt the WHL and OHL in the Memorial Cup. Also, the QMJHL played the best out of the three leagues against the Russian U20s last year.

I don't think what Lafreniere is doing has anything to do with quality of competition, which is what that poster was implying.

 

[JackSlater]

I don't think that the centre vs winger comparison matters very much in this case. Lafreniere is the type of winger who controls the play offensively, which is usually what the centre does. He isn't a complementary player but a line driver. Defensively there is only so much a winger can do but Lafreniere is a good defensive winger for his age.

 

[nbwingsfan]

There is no doubt the Q is the weakest in terms of NHL development.

I dont have this seasons exact #s but last year out of camps NHL rosters featured 156 OHL alumni, 137 WHL alumni and just 82 QMJHL alumni. Nearly half the other 2 league. Obviously inferior.

The top end talent seems to be a little smaller in the Q, but it’s definitely not a vastly weaker league than WHL/OHL like some believe.

The difference shouldn’t make any kind of change when evaluating a player

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Very different players, but I see some Draisaitl in him.

 

[Voight]

Weaker based on something you read in the newspaper in 1987 ? Or it's just weaker because you said so ?

5 of the past 9 memorial cup champs. Last year both finalists were from the QMJHL.

Based on below. I'm not saying they don't produce talent, but they are still significantly behind the other two leagues. That's just a fact.

There is no doubt the Q is the weakest in terms of NHL development.

I dont have this seasons exact #s but last year out of camps NHL rosters featured 156 OHL alumni, 137 WHL alumni and just 82 QMJHL alumni. Nearly half the other 2 league. Obviously inferior.

 

[BruinsBtn]

Based on below. I'm not saying they don't produce talent, but they are still significantly behind the other two leagues. That's just a fact.

There are fewer teams in the Q

 

[newfy]

Based on below. I'm not saying they don't produce talent, but they are still significantly behind the other two leagues. That's just a fact.

Do they really produce significantly less talent than the WHL though? The OHL definitely has more depth and I'll say its the best league, but why is the WHL getting held on some pedestal above the Q?

I guess the dub has Draisatl as a high end forward but who else has the WHL produced? When youre comparing to Marchand, Crosby, Mackinnon the WHL doesnt look all that strong to me, definitely not significantly stronger

 

[snipes]

Do they really produce significantly less talent than the WHL though? The OHL definitely has more depth and I'll say its the best league, but why is the WHL getting held on some pedestal above the Q?

I guess the dub has Draisatl as a high end forward but who else has the WHL produced? When youre comparing to Marchand, Crosby, Mackinnon the WHL doesnt look all that strong to me, definitely not significantly stronger

The WHL has historically been known for producing tough forwards and high end defenceman.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Based on below. I'm not saying they don't produce talent, but they are still significantly behind the other two leagues. That's just a fact.

....You can keep on stating your opinion that does not make it a fact. The WHL produces a higher number of future bottom 6 NHL players sure. The Q is developing more superstar level players and has actually been able to excel at the memorial cup, where I don't believe the WHL has a win in years. I am not even trying to say the Q is or isn't the worst league of the 3. I can accept an argument for the WHL being stronger. What I won't accept is people acting like the Q is a significant step behind the OHL and WHL because that is just straight up not true. Point blank.

 

[schnapshot]

Based on below. I'm not saying they don't produce talent, but they are still significantly behind the other two leagues. That's just a fact.

I think you're confused on the definitions of fact and opinion.

 

[Voight]

Do they really produce significantly less talent than the WHL though? The OHL definitely has more depth and I'll say its the best league, but why is the WHL getting held on some pedestal above the Q?

I guess the dub has Draisatl as a high end forward but who else has the WHL produced? When youre comparing to Marchand, Crosby, Mackinnon the WHL doesnt look all that strong to me, definitely not significantly stronger

WHL produces twice the number of players, yes they don't really produce high end guys and haven't done so lately but overall the numbers are strong. Plus they are historically known more for producing defensemen, Burns, Rielly, Jones being some current examples in terms of higher end defensemen.

....You can keep on stating your opinion that does not make it a fact. The WHL produces a higher number of future bottom 6 NHL players sure. The Q is developing more superstar level players and has actually been able to excel at the memorial cup, where I don't believe the WHL has a win in years. I am not even trying to say the Q is or isn't the worst league of the 3. I can accept an argument for the WHL being stronger. What I won't accept is people acting like the Q is a significant step behind the OHL and WHL because that is just straight up not true. Point blank.

WHL last won in 2014, so half a decade. Its not "recent" but its not "long ago" either.

If they produce half of what both leagues do, how is that not a significant step behind? They may have produced more "higher end" guys recently but they are still 3rd on the list.

I think you're confused on the definitions of fact and opinion.

They produce half of what the other two leagues produce. How is that not a fact?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

WHL produces twice the number of players, yes they don't really produce high end guys and haven't done so lately but overall the numbers are strong. Plus they are historically known more for producing defensemen, Burns, Rielly, Jones being some current examples in terms of higher end defensemen.



WHL last won in 2014, so half a decade. Its not "recent" but its not "long ago" either.

If they produce half of what both leagues do, how is that not a significant step behind? They may have produced more "higher end" guys recently but they are still 3rd on the list.



They produce half of what the other two leagues produce. How is that not a fact?

My issue isnt with them being 3rd on the list. My issue is with you making it seem like it is a distant 3rd. What does a league filling the NHL with bottom 6 players have any relevancy to Lafreniere when he is playing in a league that had 4 of the top 10 scores in the entire league.
5 years is also an eternity in junior hockey. They havent won a game at the mem cup in years. I can accept the arguement for the whl over the Q in a quantity over quality sense but "well they develop more players so they are obviously better" is surface level stuff.

 

[JLFGoNicsGo11]

To anyone that had concerns about Laf’s skating you need to see his highlight reel assist from today ...... wow

 

[Sens72]

 

[Dominance]

It’s just the QMJHL though, so really not that impressive.

 

[Just Linda]

To anyone that had concerns about Laf’s skating you need to see his highlight reel assist from today ...... wow

Concern compared to other first overall picks not actually compared to other players*

 

[JLFGoNicsGo11]

Concern compared to other first overall picks not actually compared to other players*

Faster than Matthews , probably about as fast if not faster than Hischier

 

[Just Linda]

Faster than Matthews , probably about as fast if not faster than Hischier

I'd take both their skating over Lafreniere's though I will give AL credit for improving his quite a bit.

 

[Evanc23]

Is that McDavid? Damn he's fast.

 

[snipes]

Up to 39 points in 16 games now. Damn.

 

[Halfy]

What does he have to do for people to stop saying hes not flashy? Do a triple sow cow and then go between the legs?

 

[blinkman360]

Do they really produce significantly less talent than the WHL though? The OHL definitely has more depth and I'll say its the best league, but why is the WHL getting held on some pedestal above the Q?

I guess the dub has Draisatl as a high end forward but who else has the WHL produced? When youre comparing to Marchand, Crosby, Mackinnon the WHL doesnt look all that strong to me, definitely not significantly stronger

Barzal is the only other one recently I can think of off the top of my head. Overall though I'd say the Q pumps out the better forwards; Dub the better defensemen; while the O just constantly produce everything.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

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