Only on these boards would a player who's career high in points is 57 after having played over 300 games in the NHL is valued higher than a player coming off a 103 point season who got votes for the Selke. Yes, Miller is 31. He's also coming off a career high in points with no signs of slowing down. 0 interest in moving him, so really the point is moot.
Proposal: F Alexis Lafreniere for F JT Miller
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pld459666
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I despise the Canucks and even I know JT Miller is a heart and soul guy for that franchise. Cancer... how uninformed can you get.
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It's not even really about that. Value-wise, Miller is worth more right now, but from a team-building perspective it doesn't make sense to swap a winger who is 23 for a center who is 31.
We need to trade away vets, not add more. Plus, we already have Mika and Trocheck signed long term. Trocheck has 4 years left and his NMC becomes a 12-team NTC on July 1st. He's having a down year, but he had a career year last season and would have value to other teams at a reasonable cap hit. Mika is the real problem. 5 years left with a full NMC, and the signing bonuses make his contract buyout-proof.
If we could somehow swap Mika for Miller, I'd be all for it. But as long as Mika is on the team, it doesn't make sense for us to trade valuable assets for an expensive center. We have to hope Mika can figure it out and return to the player he was a couple years ago or ride it out until we can get rid of him.
Besides all of that, both Panarin and Kreider could be playing elsewhere in the near future. If that happens, we're going to need Laf more than we're going to need JT Miller.
Trading Laf for Miller would just be doubling down on a failed bet.
He’s on pace for 77 points this year. A 26 point drop isn’t slowing down a little?
Was playing through an injury he sustained in training camp (So the entire year), will be good 2 go when he returns.
Other GMs see it too. Dreger was on local radio yesterday and said Drury actually called the Canucks about potentially trading for Miller and was told that he is not available, and that every playoff team would have interest in Miller were he to become available. But some morons on here would have you believe he's a cancer who has little value, when reality is he's better/more valuable than quite a few team's best players.
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True, MacKinnon had a high of 63 after 300+ games and that came from his rookie season. He was declining year 2 and plateauing in year 3. He couldn't have returned a Miller calibre player back then (or at least one that was playing). Avs were forced to double down on their investment at that point eventually leading to the departure of ROR and Duchene.
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Szechwan
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Wouldn't touch that Zib contract with a 10ft pole
And even then, what MacKinnon showed in his rookie season was better than anything Laf has done in his career up until this point, especially his series against the Wild. It's just obscene seeing people act like Laf would have more value in this hypothetical (Which may not be so hypothetical, based on the report that Drury called on him and was turned down).
Uh... you seen em play lately?
They're not winning anything this year. They may not even make the playoffs, and I'm dead serious.
The team has quit on the GM. They are PISSED at how things have shaken out.
Until Trouba is traded and the C is moved to someone else, the room will remain in shambles and the play on the ice will stay the same. Igor and Quick will steal them a game every now and then but they aren't winning this year. They couldn't win last year and on paper they're noticeably worse this year due to cap casualties.
This is a dumb proposal that won't happen. Miller could score 200 points a year, he has no value to the current state of the NYR. They need to tear it down and let some of their older, overcooked players fall off the books while giving more minutes to their young guys.
This is more than a losing streak in November solely based on how they're playing. They're not just losing, they're committing an assault to the game of hockey by literally not even trying out there.
This is not even some fan overreaction; their underlying numbers are bottom in the league. The eye test is even worse. This is a team whose GM tried everything he could to trade their captain after 2 ECFs in 3 years and a pres trophy season. They're pissed, they're over it, they're "quiet quitting" on the front office.
gritdash60
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Yes a player with 99, 82 and 103 points the last 3 seasons will surely be traded for a player who has 31, 39 and 57 points in his last 3 seasons. I mean it's bound to happen. This is a hockey trade, 1 for 1.
One Winged Angel
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I think you’re getting a little too over the moon for your headcase locker room cancer.
My non-bust can only aspire to take time off from hockey.
NO
moot, b'c LaF not offered for JTM
As I have said elsewhere,
deal is
Fox + max retained Zib + 2 2nds in 2 years
for
JTM, useful pieces Juulsen, Forbort, Raty, and 2 1sts over next 5 years
bleedblue94
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It's kind of weird but usually when people aren't playing they are no longer playing at the same level that they use to. It's almost like you need to actually be playing to maintain your previous performance...
I still say kreider at 50 percent and mika for Miller.
I also think nyr should consider something like Mika and chytil for Miller if there was interest partially due to chytils injury history. There would be obvious concerns there for Vancouver as well
WTG
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MacKinnon worked, but that doesn't mean that every single pick figures it out. You can't point at the best possible outcome and be like "MacKinnon turned out to be a superstar, so will Laf!!!" It just doesn't work like that.
Look at Kirby Dach for example.
GirardSpinorama
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Lafreniere obviously improved from 2 seasons ago, but he's never been a threat like Mackinnon even when Mackinnon wasn't producing. Fans should stop comparing how long it too Mackinnon to find his elite game. He displayed game breking speed and talent from the get go, he just wasn't putting up the points.
With that said, it doesn't matter that Laf will never hit the prime JT Miller is in right now because at the end of the day, JT's contract and age doesn't fit the life span of this team being very short. So it doesn't make sense trading away a top 6 player that recently turned 23 and scores at a good 5 on 5 pace.
With that said, it doesn't matter that Laf will never hit the prime JT Miller is in right now because at the end of the day, JT's contract and age doesn't fit the life span of this team being very short. So it doesn't make sense trading away a top 6 player that recently turned 23 and scores at a good 5 on 5 pace.
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