Proposal: F Alexis Lafreniere for F JT Miller

[RangersFan1994]

a 22 yr old emerging stud who's delivered in the playoffs, signed long term at a great number, and the guy likely to get the c next or once the kreider/troch era ends....for....a 31 yr old making slightly more money for 5 more years?

i love jt miller and i hated the rangers moving him when they did, i would love to see him return...but...absolutely not with laf going the other way. he's a priority in the right price range, laf is a non-starter tho

I rather trade for Tkachuk since the Rangers need a physical skilled forward with aggressiveness in the top 6. I was pissed when Miller was dealt to the Bolts but no point of overpaying now since his value increased and I am also a Miller fan.


I’d trade KAndre Miller, Kakko, Chytil for JT Miller and Garland. That would be my final offer. Doubt they’d do it.

 

[HuGort]

MAYBE A TRIP BACK TO NYC MAKES HIS MIND BETTER, AND

Émilie Castonguay GETS HER MAN​

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Quite an age difference

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

Zibanejad + K'Andre Miller + 1 st for Miller?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Zibanejad + K'Andre Miller + 1 st for Miller?

Is Mika friends with EP40? Maybe Mika would waive to go to the Canucks? Done

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

Is Mika friends with EP40? Maybe Mika would waive to go to the Canucks? Done

No idea. A colleague is apparently friends with Elias. Maybe I can ask him tomorrow at work haha.

I don't think he'd be totally against it (Zibanejad). Vancouver is a big, beautiful city no?

 

[John Mandalorian]

Who said he's a cancer?

This goes back a couple of years when here was a report of a division in the lockerroom. It was around the time Benning was let go, if memory serves. The main adversaries (as it was reported) was Horvat vs Miller.

Then a year or two later, Miller was being criticized for low energy low effort. He’s mostly recovered from that though.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Zibanejad + K'Andre Miller + 1 st for Miller?

So a capdump and struggling dman and a late first for our first line C?

Thanks but no thanks. You want Miller your giving up something you don't want to give up, he hasn't asked for a trade and we need him here.

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

So a capdump and struggling dman and a late first for our first line C?

Thanks but no thanks. You want Miller your giving up something you don't want to give up, he hasn't asked for a trade and we need him here.

I've seen a lot of Canucks fan asking for Miller from our side.

Miller is great but he is 32 years old and he went from a 100 point player to be on pace for what? 72 points or something? And now his leave of absence...

Zibanejad is still putting up a good amount of points etc. Plus we need to move him if we're going to be able to fit Miller on our team.

No worries. Keep Miller then!

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I've seen a lot of Canucks fan asking for Miller from our side.

Miller is great but he is 32 years old and he went from a 100 point player to be on pace for what? 72 points or something? And now his leave of absence...

Zibanejad is still putting up a good amount of points etc. Plus we need to move him if we're going to be able to fit Miller on our team.

No worries. Keep Miller then!

As a part, sure, not the main piece though.

Yah even in a down year he is on pace for 77 points over 82 games, hence why he is so valuable.

That's great, all I hear is complaints about Zib from your fans, he is still a cap dump and that's all that matters.

We'll gladly keep him thank you.

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

As a part, sure, not the main piece though.

Yah even in a down year he is on pace for 77 points over 82 games, hence why he is so valuable.

That's great, all I hear is complaints about Zib from your fans, he is still a cap dump and that's all that matters.

We'll gladly keep him thank you.

Tbh we probably got the most whiney fanbase on HFB.

Zibanejad is still putting up points, his effort isn't the greatest though tbh.

But it's not like I'm trying to trade you Scott Gomez for Patrice Bergeron in his prime.

Miller is gonna be kinda old at the end of his contract.

I hear you though.

So what would entice you if Zibanejad + 1st + Miller is the base?

Edit: Zibanejad is still putting up a good amount of points. .8 PPG in the NHL so far in his career and .85 PPG in the playoffs.

We're just annoyed that he seems so lethargic during spells with us. Seems like he never got back to the insane play he showed us before getting longterm COVID.

I honestly believe he'd be very good for you. I just feel like a change of scenery would be good for him.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Tbh we probably got the most whiney fanbase on HFB.

Zibanejad is still putting up points, his effort isn't the greatest though tbh.

But it's not like I'm trying to trade you Scott Gomez for Patrice Bergeron in his prime.

Miller is gonna be kinda old at the end of his contract.

I hear you though.

So what would entice you if Zibanejad + 1st + Miller is the base?

Edit: Zibanejad is still putting up a good amount of points. .8 PPG in the NHL so far in his career and .85 PPG in the playoffs.

We're just annoyed that he seems so lethargic during spells with us. Seems like he never got back to the insane play he showed us before getting longterm COVID.

I honestly believe he'd be very good for you. I just feel like a change of scenery would be good for him.

You're not gonna like this, but if ZIb has to be included then same deal with Laff included. I understand this will be turned down, I can't see us giving Miller up for anything less than an overpayment.

We need Miller far more than we need ZIb.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Seems fair, but with a NMC, Miller isn't getting a player like Lafreniere.

If he didn't have a NMC, I would say fair or even Rangers add.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Posters are bored?

Apparently he beat up his head coach. I heard this from a guy I've never heard of.

 

[jay from jersey]

Miller had to get out of NY…… he enjoyed the night life and amenities a bit too much….. coach called him out and said he needs to learn how to be a pro, which was a calm way of putting it….. tampa also dealt him…. It seems like his family and age have both helped him mature as a man and a player.
I don’t think putting him back in NY is good idea for either party tbh…
Certainly not trading a 22 year old battle/playoff tested even strength performer like laf for a 32 year old miller.. that’s not a good idea for the rangers at all…..
Maybe a miller zibby swap can work for both parties. Similar age/salary/production etc

 

[2014nyr]

Vancouvet says no. Alex's new contract kicks in next year and he is not worth it




He starts a new contract next year and he is not worth it

that's your opinion and i got no issue with that. mine, and i very much hope the org mgmt, is that he will make that deal a steal.

 

[2014nyr]

I rather trade for Tkachuk since the Rangers need a physical skilled forward with aggressiveness in the top 6. I was pissed when Miller was dealt to the Bolts but no point of overpaying now since his value increased and I am also a Miller fan.


I’d trade KAndre Miller, Kakko, Chytil for JT Miller and Garland. That would be my final offer. Doubt they’d do it.

i'd def rather tkachuk...bigger, younger, more of a physical/emotional presence - granted jt can bring just as much or more of that any given night. i was also pissed about trading jt to tampa...i didn't want him moved regardless...but the return in that deal was mediocre for mcd alone. if they were gonna move jt, you'd think they'd get more than absolutely nothing in return.

i'd rather sub in othmann and even a 1st or 2nd to keep kakko...personally i think he's becoming a great middle 6 player who's built for playoff hockey. you need a guys like that to win. as you said, don't think van agrees to either offer. really comes down to what they think of kandre...there's def still people around the league who see major upside, and maybe they're right. personally, i think he's the guy you build any big trade around because of that. that said, anything that isn't gabe, laf, cuylle, or bolted down with a nmc would be on the table. there's more than enough in what that leaves to reshape the roster with the skillsets it needs, despite what many people on the internet might believe.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Miller had to get out of NY…… he enjoyed the night life and amenities a bit too much….. coach called him out and said he needs to learn how to be a pro, which was a calm way of putting it….. tampa also dealt him…. It seems like his family and age have both helped him mature as a man and a player.
I don’t think putting him back in NY is good idea for either party tbh…
Certainly not trading a 22 year old battle/playoff tested even strength performer like laf for a 32 year old miller.. that’s not a good idea for the rangers at all…..
Maybe a miller zibby swap can work for both parties. Similar age/salary/production etc

One is a capdump, one is in his prime. Also Miller put up 47 points as a third liner in Tampa, he was loved there and they didn't want to trade him.

These players are not similar at all, please do some research.

 

[jay from jersey]

One is a capdump, one is in his prime. Also Miller put up 47 points as a third liner in Tampa, he was loved there and they didn't want to trade him.

These players are not similar at all, please do some research.

What’s your point? He put up 50+ points with NYR as a Homegrown drafted kid. Along with 2 40+ pt campaigns at a younger age.
The fans here loved him too. Doesn’t change the fact that NYR still basically included him in the Tampa deal and got namesnikov ( at the time was thought of a a solid Vet professional that can add a bit of scoring).
Go look at the forums after the trade, people were shocked miller was added. Most knew he has the potential to be better even then and played a scrappy style of game.
Doesn’t change the fact the rangers traded him, or the fact he only lasted a year n half in Tampa before he was moved again.
Young guys that produce and have obvious potential to do more aren’t often moved twice in 3 years….
Then stuff leaks out after the fact and you get a peek behind the curtain as to why and possibly why.

Granted, miller is absolutely playing better then Zibby, especially the last 2 years, he’s a top 2 center that can put up point and score goals. They are both of similar age and similar contract length and amount….
NYR would likely have to add if Zibby/miller waive. That’s the type of change scenery trade that would happen.
Not a 22 year old improving every season……
Maybe you should do some research.
Besides last season and this one, their point totals are pretty comparable

 

[jay from jersey]

As a part, sure, not the main piece though.

Yah even in a down year he is on pace for 77 points over 82 games, hence why he is so valuable.

That's great, all I hear is complaints about Zib from your fans, he is still a cap dump and that's all that matters.

We'll gladly keep him thank you.

And please, stop with this on pace nonsense. The player either does does it or doesn’t.
NYR couldn’t call Kreider a 30 goal scoring winger until he did it. Despite being on pace with multiple games missed due to injury or whatever for years prior. This place used to eat NYR fans alive for saying that, but it’s valid tbh.
In the shortened Covid year, Zibby was on pace to score 60+ goals…
Some of the best hockey I’ve ever seen him play……
Right now, the edge is absolutely in millers favor…. But thinking Zibby isn’t in the same stratosphere is just wrong….
When Mika is hot, he’s white hot….. miller also has his hot/cold streaks but overall, is more consistent and his cold streaks are shorter periods currently.

I’m not advocating Van deal him either….
But trading a 22 year old Laffy before he even gets a full year of 1PP time for any 32 year old currently is just bad business for NYR….
Laffy is already good, already ups his game in the postseason, homegrown 1 OA pick that is actually playing well for a team that doesn’t draft offensive guys well in the top 10 historically.
Giving up 10+ years of him ( where offensively you don’t even know what his max can be), for 2-3 years maybe pray for 4 of a productive Miller is not a good look.

If for some odd reason both players waive and both wanted a change of scenery trade, Zibby + prospect or a pick for Miller is far more logical in the real world.

NYR isn’t a miller away from the cup…
Laffy will continue to grow, as will Cuylle.
Hopefully Kakko can keep playing well and stay longer…. Trochek and Kreider will still be productive vets in that time frame… still have Fox/schneider/miller /mancinni on the backend in front of shesty…
Edstrom looks like a long term young piece.
Cheap help from the farm is coming with
Perrault, Emery,Othmann, Berard, Laba, Chmelar, sykora, etc ( hopefully 50-75% of them pan out)
Chytil is in the mix and is young and good too, but his injury history makes me too nervous to count on him.
The overall core/heart of the team is 26 and under….
Shesty should be top end until 33-34 years old…. That is around the age Lundqvist noticeably took a decline in his game…..
They also are and will continue to be one of the top landing sites for UFA players should they go that route.
The future is far from bleak.
Main NYR questions should be
-do they extend Panarin? How much and how long? Or just shift the time to the young guys?

- try to move Zibby. Signed here for too long and too much imo…
He has value, but the way his deal is set up, very hard to move. Especially when under performing.

-trade chytil in hockey trade for a more dependable player.

-trade Lindgren… mancinni is big and mobile and proves he belongs… Lindgren was and is a warrior for us but is signed short term and injuries have def had an effect on him…

Next year, NYR will have 4 impact players

at 30+ years old. thats it.
Kreider-Mika-Trochek-Panarin( likely)

All are still productive guys..

If NYR are moving Laffy look to find an established return coming back in that 26 year old and younger age range, whether it be a Defenseman, Center, Wing whatever…..

 

[jay from jersey]

I despise the Canucks and even I know JT Miller is a heart and soul guy for that franchise. Cancer... how uninformed can you get.

He Def is the straw that stirs the drink there…. Any info ever slip out of what that leave of absence was for??

The Rangers timeline is literally now. Miller fits it perfectly. Miller is two yrs younger than Panarin and Kreider. Same age as Zibanejad, Trocheck. Do you not realize your time to win is now?

Wrong.. see my post above…
Panarin is likely 50-50 to be here next season due to age and salary demands.
If I’m NYR, and Perrault has a great season/camp I’d put him in the show.

Trochek will hear for multiple more years…. Team Friendly deal, good player on ice and is a Center, but off the ice he is a big leadership and culture guy. Cuylle lived with Tro and his family last year to adjust to the show. No doubt it made him more comfortable and you see him progressing this season……

Kreider. This would hurt to move him… life long NYR who’s actually gotten better at producing as he’s gotten older. Much like JT Miller in that regard.
For 6.5 and not and not absurdly long, there would be a lot of teams that would love to add him…. Has a NMC, but if NYR is serious about moving Zibby and Panarin leaves, I see him waiving for the right situation in a changing of the guard so to speak.
Increase the role and responsibility for Cuylle and Get laf of 1PP, maybe both guys who knows?

Zibby- moving Kreider would def likely impact him on a NMC waive and his future here….
Basically Drury had only 2 options, tell him they plan to waive him and say team X or y is going to pick you up, or accept a trade to team Z for what we have worked out and waive your NMC…..
Or just flat out waive him…..
This would be the worse of the 2 options because you’re not getting anything of value back besides a cap hit, but it is what it is…..
There are a bunch of teams that would claim a top 6 C that’s signed and still produce offensively. Especially teams that have a hard time attracting and keeping talent.

Exactly 4 impact players over 30 years old….
Even if they somehow move Kreider and Zibby this offseason, and Panarin walks, NYR will have cap to Add in UFA or trade for high end talent.
They will and remain to be one of the most attractive UFA destinations and 9 outta 10 times when they target a guy they want, they get him.

This team is going to be competitive/playoff bound for the next 6-7 years and depending on Few roster moves they likely will make, hopefully they are more than that for NYR fans sake

 

[Johnsie19]

He Def is the straw that stirs the drink there…. Any info ever slip out of what that leave of absence was for??

Wrong.. see my post above…
Panarin is likely 50-50 to be here next season due to age and salary demands.
If I’m NYR, and Perrault has a great season/camp I’d put him in the show.

Trochek will hear for multiple more years…. Team Friendly deal, good player on ice and is a Center, but off the ice he is a big leadership and culture guy. Cuylle lived with Tro and his family last year to adjust to the show. No doubt it made him more comfortable and you see him progressing this season……

Kreider. This would hurt to move him… life long NYR who’s actually gotten better at producing as he’s gotten older. Much like JT Miller in that regard.
For 6.5 and not and not absurdly long, there would be a lot of teams that would love to add him…. Has a NMC, but if NYR is serious about moving Zibby and Panarin leaves, I see him waiving for the right situation in a changing of the guard so to speak.
Increase the role and responsibility for Cuylle and Get laf of 1PP, maybe both guys who knows?

Zibby- moving Kreider would def likely impact him on a NMC waive and his future here….
Basically Drury had only 2 options, tell him they plan to waive him and say team X or y is going to pick you up, or accept a trade to team Z for what we have worked out and waive your NMC…..
Or just flat out waive him…..
This would be the worse of the 2 options because you’re not getting anything of value back besides a cap hit, but it is what it is…..
There are a bunch of teams that would claim a top 6 C that’s signed and still produce offensively. Especially teams that have a hard time attracting and keeping talent.

Exactly 4 impact players over 30 years old….
Even if they somehow move Kreider and Zibby this offseason, and Panarin walks, NYR will have cap to Add in UFA or trade for high end talent.
They will and remain to be one of the most attractive UFA destinations and 9 outta 10 times when they target a guy they want, they get him.

This team is going to be competitive/playoff bound for the next 6-7 years and depending on Few roster moves they likely will make, hopefully they are more than that for NYR fans sake

Ok ya if you're doing a rebuild then sure. The team while struggling has a lot of good talent you'd think they wouldn't really want to rebuild at this point. Even it would maybe be a quicker turnaround than most.

You don't just look those 4 and think theyll be replaced with some UFA. I guess if they got Rantanen or something.

 

[BrockLobster]

Zibanejad + K'Andre Miller + 1 st for Miller?

This one is worse than OP

 

[jay from jersey]

Ok ya if you're doing a rebuild then sure. The team while struggling has a lot of good talent you'd think they wouldn't really want to rebuild at this point. Even it would maybe be a quicker turnaround than most.

You don't just look those 4 and think theyll be replaced with some UFA. I guess if they got Rantanen or something.

Tro staying…..
Not really a rebuild. More so a changing of the guard…. Zibby/Panarin/kreider are all hard to replace. All vets. Impact wise Panarin is obviously the hardest….

I’d wager if they let Panarin go, there will be a Trade to get a young impact winger…. If For Ex ( Brady Tkachuk is disgruntled in OTT if they don’t make playoff again this season) Not saying anything is imminent or BT will be mad/dealt, just using him as an EX as the type of player they would try to trade for due to style of play/age with upcoming core/ etc
they are going to want to give their younger players a chance at a larger role as well..
They would just move those 3 and not add 1 maybe 2 younger impact forwards back in via trade and UFA to replace the offensive production going out…..
Zibby and kreids also are signed longer then bread and both have NMC…
Miller is a good add for a more finished product of a team than NYR, a team looking to add a top 6 impact C and
For 2-3 real good shots at the cup.
A team that can add his contract and not have a ton of useless cap going out…. Spend on him, because they are solid everywhere else, and only add a few more depth pieces….
NYR isn’t there yet….
They need to add at least 1 top 3 D via trade/UFA to partner with Fox and shoulder the load….
Decision on whether to extend miller to big raise/lots of years or try and move him for help up front or in a package for a upgrade D/Fwd is also looming….
Fox/Schneider/Mancinni will be here for a while…. Miller probably as well…. But Fox needs a solid partner, and that’s going to cost….
Then you have the ???? Zibby/kreids/bread…

NYR just isn’t there yet to add Miller from van… way more work to be done

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

And please, stop with this on pace nonsense. The player either does does it or doesn’t.
NYR couldn’t call Kreider a 30 goal scoring winger until he did it. Despite being on pace with multiple games missed due to injury or whatever for years prior. This place used to eat NYR fans alive for saying that, but it’s valid tbh.
In the shortened Covid year, Zibby was on pace to score 60+ goals…
Some of the best hockey I’ve ever seen him play……
Right now, the edge is absolutely in millers favor…. But thinking Zibby isn’t in the same stratosphere is just wrong….
When Mika is hot, he’s white hot….. miller also has his hot/cold streaks but overall, is more consistent and his cold streaks are shorter periods currently.

I’m not advocating Van deal him either….
But trading a 22 year old Laffy before he even gets a full year of 1PP time for any 32 year old currently is just bad business for NYR….
Laffy is already good, already ups his game in the postseason, homegrown 1 OA pick that is actually playing well for a team that doesn’t draft offensive guys well in the top 10 historically.
Giving up 10+ years of him ( where offensively you don’t even know what his max can be), for 2-3 years maybe pray for 4 of a productive Miller is not a good look.

If for some odd reason both players waive and both wanted a change of scenery trade, Zibby + prospect or a pick for Miller is far more logical in the real world.

NYR isn’t a miller away from the cup…
Laffy will continue to grow, as will Cuylle.
Hopefully Kakko can keep playing well and stay longer…. Trochek and Kreider will still be productive vets in that time frame… still have Fox/schneider/miller /mancinni on the backend in front of shesty…
Edstrom looks like a long term young piece.
Cheap help from the farm is coming with
Perrault, Emery,Othmann, Berard, Laba, Chmelar, sykora, etc ( hopefully 50-75% of them pan out)
Chytil is in the mix and is young and good too, but his injury history makes me too nervous to count on him.
The overall core/heart of the team is 26 and under….
Shesty should be top end until 33-34 years old…. That is around the age Lundqvist noticeably took a decline in his game…..
They also are and will continue to be one of the top landing sites for UFA players should they go that route.
The future is far from bleak.
Main NYR questions should be
-do they extend Panarin? How much and how long? Or just shift the time to the young guys?

- try to move Zibby. Signed here for too long and too much imo…
He has value, but the way his deal is set up, very hard to move. Especially when under performing.

-trade chytil in hockey trade for a more dependable player.

-trade Lindgren… mancinni is big and mobile and proves he belongs… Lindgren was and is a warrior for us but is signed short term and injuries have def had an effect on him…

Next year, NYR will have 4 impact players

at 30+ years old. thats it.
Kreider-Mika-Trochek-Panarin( likely)

All are still productive guys..

If NYR are moving Laffy look to find an established return coming back in that 26 year old and younger age range, whether it be a Defenseman, Center, Wing whatever…..

Yah, I'm not reading all of this, try learning to be concise.

What’s your point? He put up 50+ points with NYR as a Homegrown drafted kid. Along with 2 40+ pt campaigns at a younger age.
The fans here loved him too. Doesn’t change the fact that NYR still basically included him in the Tampa deal and got namesnikov ( at the time was thought of a a solid Vet professional that can add a bit of scoring).
Go look at the forums after the trade, people were shocked miller was added. Most knew he has the potential to be better even then and played a scrappy style of game.
Doesn’t change the fact the rangers traded him, or the fact he only lasted a year n half in Tampa before he was moved again.
Young guys that produce and have obvious potential to do more aren’t often moved twice in 3 years….
Then stuff leaks out after the fact and you get a peek behind the curtain as to why and possibly why.

Granted, miller is absolutely playing better then Zibby, especially the last 2 years, he’s a top 2 center that can put up point and score goals. They are both of similar age and similar contract length and amount….
NYR would likely have to add if Zibby/miller waive. That’s the type of change scenery trade that would happen.
Not a 22 year old improving every season……
Maybe you should do some research.
Besides last season and this one, their point totals are pretty comparable

what am i supposed to take from this?