Extend Quick Now 3 years

[Surf Nutz]

Voted for Goalie Coach

Ranford?

 

[Surf Nutz]

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[Kurrilino]

Ranford?

Quick after Ranford

 

[Seattle King]

Has anyone asked if Quick plans to keep playing after this year? His salary demands would need to be extremely small. I think he could be effective in a true backup role where he gets 30 starts at the most.
If Copley continues this impressive run I would be inclined to extend him as well.
I am more concerned about our long-term situation if we assume Cal is not the answer. Maybe a college UFA like Portillo who isnt likely to sign. But there really isnt a young goalie in the system who is standing out as a future starter.

 

[kilowatt]

The UFA goalie market next offseason is brutal. Quick and Copley might be the best options. You’ve got Martin Jones, Semyon Varlamov, Tristan Jarry, Adin Hill, Alex Nadjelkovic… the devil you know, etc.

 

[David Lunch]

Has anyone asked if Quick plans to keep playing after this year? His salary demands would need to be extremely small. I think he could be effective in a true backup role where he gets 30 starts at the most.
If Copley continues this impressive run I would be inclined to extend him as well.
I am more concerned about our long-term situation if we assume Cal is not the answer. Maybe a college UFA like Portillo who isnt likely to sign. But there really isnt a young goalie in the system who is standing out as a future starter.

During training camp someone asked Quick if he had thought about playing last this season and he basically said “oh yeah, definitely”. I’m probably inclined to take him at his word, but a guy like Quicky could also just say that to immediately kill the possibility of team/media distraction. We’ll see.

 

[Seattle King]

The UFA goalie market next offseason is brutal. Quick and Copley might be the best options. You’ve got Martin Jones, Semyon Varlamov, Tristan Jarry, Adin Hill, Alex Nadjelkovic… the devil you know, etc.

I would not have a problem with Jones on a short contract after seeing him play well behind a decent Seattle team. Jones, Quick and Copley would be a solid group at an affordable price. It will be difficult to sign a high-end 1A goalie with Cal's contract still on the books. Cal's contract absolutely fks us and is possibly the giant strategic unforced error that wars are won and lost by.

 

[Surf Nutz]

I would not have a problem with Jones on a short contract after seeing him play well behind a decent Seattle team. Jones, Quick and Copley would be a solid group at an affordable price. It will be difficult to sign a high-end 1A goalie with Cal's contract still on the books. Cal's contract absolutely fks us and is possibly the giant strategic unforced error that wars are won and lost by.

One of the main points I tried to make is that the better and longer Copper plays ( and Jones) the more his price and the number of interested teams goes up. I don't feel like the goalie market is thick and guys like Jones may be inclined to go with the team that gave them a role. I feel the Kings are razor thin at goaltending with their pipeline, Cal and Quick's (not resigned, possibly a blessing) performance and outdated style. I see posters absolutely pooping in their panties about our defense, coaching, management and some of our forwards even but their lack of concern about the Kings being lost at a crossroads with their goal tending is shocking

 

[Kudelski37]

One of the main points I tried to make is that the better and longer Copper plays ( and Jones) the more his price and the number of interested teams goes up. I don't feel like the goalie market is thick and guys like Jones may be inclined to go with the team that gave them a role. I feel the Kings are razor thin at goaltending with their pipeline, Cal and Quick's (not resigned, possibly a blessing) performance and outdated style. I see posters absolutely pooping in their panties about our defense, coaching, management and some of our forwards even but their lack of concern about the Kings being lost at a crossroads with their goal tending is shocking

Copley played well with the Caps and it didn't drive up his price. There is no reason to fear his future contract because of a couple of good games.

 

[kilowatt]

The following year is a bit better for UFA goalies: Ilya Sorokin, Connor Hellebuyck, Matt Murray, Pavel Francouz, Scott Wedgewood, and Sam Montembeault. Not great but better, especially those top two. Sorokin will be 28 and Hellebuyck will be 31.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Copley played well with the Caps and it didn't drive up his price. There is no reason to fear his future contract because of a couple of good games.

Respectfully, Its the bare cupboard triggering my willingness to commit early for a better deal combined with a look at what could be out there now into the off season. THere ain't jack and aside from Jones and Copley , I don't even see anyone I want. I view highly speculative prospects like Portillo but we have no idea what they and their managers want and those teams holding their rights have no incentive to let us talk to them. The goalie market was much different than when Copper was a Cap and the Kings are behind the eight ball on prospects in goal and the style of goal tending that most successful NHL teams use.
I totally disagree. I like an active gm style of getting as much done early and saving money after scouting by committing early to players because you trust your scouts. That is why I like the Fiala, Danault and Moore deals.
Potential mis steps, like what Cal may end up being, happen too and you readjust.

 

[Seattle King]

One of the main points I tried to make is that the better and longer Copper plays ( and Jones) the more his price and the number of interested teams goes up. I don't feel like the goalie market is thick and guys like Jones may be inclined to go with the team that gave them a role. I feel the Kings are razor thin at goaltending with their pipeline, Cal and Quick's (not resigned, possibly a blessing) performance and outdated style. I see posters absolutely pooping in their panties about our defense, coaching, management and some of our forwards even but their lack of concern about the Kings being lost at a crossroads with their goal tending is shocking

I agree with you entirely as far as our long-term outlook goes. There is no player in our system that I am aware of, Cal included, that is thought of as a future NHL starter by the scouting community. But with goalies sometimes you dont know until you know.
I dont see Copley being able to pull some sort of Cal contract AAV regardless of how well he plays this year. I would definitely be evaluating him very closely and looking to get ahead of the curve with his agent if indeed Copley is golden and this is not a mirage. But I worry Blake could do something stupid like he did with Cal.

 

[Surf Nutz]

I agree with you entirely as far as our long-term outlook goes. There is no player in our system that I am aware of, Cal included, that is thought of as a future NHL starter by the scouting community. But with goalies sometimes you dont know until you know.
I dont see Copley being able to pull some sort of Cal contract AAV regardless of how well he plays this year. I would definitely be evaluating him very closely and looking to get ahead of the curve with his agent if indeed Copley is golden and this is not a mirage. But I worry Blake could do something stupid like he did with Cal.

The way to avoid numbers and term like Cal is to commit less now at less risk, not wait and potentially have to pay more and compete with other teams on term and $. That way if he fades you have paid less and have less term to wait out. Copper would be a good backup that competes with and pushes a starter which we also need to still acquire. We got nothing depending if Quick and Cal rebound but their style has been scouted and outed.
Usually Blake makes moves similar to what I have in mind and different from the posters here but at least you see it. Thank you.

 

[Kudelski37]

The way to avoid numbers and term like Cal is to commit less now at less risk, not wait and potentially have to pay more and compete with other teams on term and $. That way if he fades you have paid less and have less term to wait out. Copper would be a good backup that competes with and pushes a starter which we also need to still acquire. We got nothing depending if Quick and Cal rebound but their style has been scouted and outed.
Usually Blake makes moves similar to what I have in mind a different from the posters here but at least you see it. Thank you.

What you are describing is exactly how Cal got the contract he did. Either that is a mistake not to be repeated or do not bring it up as a reason to do the same thing with an older guy with less NHL starts and worse stats compared to Cal when he was extended. Further, this past off season was bad for ufa goalies, yet the Kings seemed to have gotten the best bang for the buck. Maybe Blake isn't completely out to lunch?

 

[Surf Nutz]

What you are describing is exactly how Cal got the contract he did. Either that is a mistake not to be repeated or do not bring it up as a reason to do the same thing with an older guy with less NHL starts and worse stats compared to Cal when he was extended. Further, this past off season was bad for ufa goalies, yet the Kings seemed to have gotten the best bang for the buck. Maybe Blake isn't completely out to lunch?

I like Blake and Ranford for sure. We could probably get Copper for about 1.5 x 2 right now. If we wait and he continues to perform as a pending UFA, we will end up having to pay Cal term and numbers or another team will.
That is my point. And I agree we dont want that risk. Cal looks motivated in the AHL and Blake has stated his support. Sign Copper now let Quick go after the season or ask him if he wants a trade if the Kings slump further before the deadline while continue to evaluate his play with and eye for return to form. Otherwise I am thinking Cal and Copper competing next year until Blake can acquire something better. The goalie market is tight the next couple years unless you are ready to throw out 6 + to someone established and aging. Very risky.

 

[Kudelski37]

I like Blake and Ranford for sure. We could probably get Copper for about 1.5 x 2 right now. If we wait and he continues to perform as a pending UFA, we will end up having to pay Cal term and numbers or another team will.
That is my point. And I agree we dont want that risk. Cal looks motivated in the AHL and Blake has stated his support. Sign Copper now let Quick go after the season or ask him if he wants a trade if the Kings slump further before the deadline while continue to evaluate his play with and eye for return to form. Otherwise I am thinking Cal and Copper competing next year until Blake can acquire something better. The goalie market is tight the next couple years unless you are ready to throw out 6 + to someone established and aging. Very risky.

Extending Cal a year before ufa was risk management. How would this not be the same for an older guy with about 30 NHL starts? There will be others available for cheaper if need be in the summer. Last off-season killed the market for the upcoming off-season. Teams without goalies inked long contracts that they already regret like Edmonton or will regret soon. Teams with goalies aren't in the market for expensive UFAs. Most teams don't have the cap space to offer the contract you are afraid of if Copley continues to play like he did with the Caps. The market is smaller than you expect so the price will be smaller than you expect.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Extending Cal a year before ufa was risk management. How would this not be the same for an older guy with about 30 NHL starts? There will be others available for cheaper if need be in the summer. Last off-season killed the market for the upcoming off-season. Teams without goalies inked long contracts that they already regret like Edmonton or will regret soon. Teams with goalies aren't in the market for expensive UFAs. Most teams don't have the cap space to offer the contract you are afraid of if Copley continues to play like he did with the Caps. The market is smaller than you expect so the price will be smaller than you expect.

Agree to disagree and marking post. Most teams don't but a few will have the space. It will be closer to Cal numbers later and he could go elsewhere as a UFA in a bidding war. We need a big controlled goalie as his 4-1 record illustrates. Not two that over react, make some brilliant saves but get burned down low on passes and rebounds , goalies. That makes for easy scouting and game plans especially in a 7 game series.
I liked the Cal signing when Blake did it . Cal let us down and has spiraled considerably. It happens, now we adjust with someone else but with the same cost saving strategy. Cal still could come back. You say the market will be smaller. I say we have nothing and we can't afford to wait and make market assumptions and pay more later. Totally appreciate your thought out ideas and knowledge. Thank you.

 

[YP44]

The UFA goalie market next offseason is brutal. Quick and Copley might be the best options. You’ve got Martin Jones, Semyon Varlamov, Tristan Jarry, Adin Hill, Alex Nadjelkovic… the devil you know, etc.

Jarry is the main man there IMO

 

[Surf Nutz]

Jarry is the main man there IMO