GDT: Exhibition • Finland vs. Sweden

[EK47]

You guys played better today but you just know Finland always finds a way to be a problem.

Enroth was a surprising choice for the third goalie in the roster. Apparently a bigger gap there than in e.g. Finland's goalie trio. Not that the third guy should matter any, unless really extraordinary injuries happen, so who cares.

Originally Lehner was the third choice but he got injured and after him and Markström there is a big dropoff in talent perhaps even bigger than the dropoff after Lundqvist

 

[EK47]

Roger Melin.

Leif Boork

 

[Nordic*]

Sweden was looking for the perfect chance and got fancy.

That's always Sweden's problem. Not enough shooters/selfish players among forwards.

Missed the game but after reading the comments here I got that #65 was horrible?

That's his problem. When he's bad, he can be atrociously bad. When he's good, he can be totally dominant. You never know what you're gonna get.

But Lindholm should clearly play with him, he's much more defensive-minded than Ekholm.

 

[Stubu]

Originally Lehner was the third choice but he got injured and after him and Markström there is a big dropoff in talent perhaps even bigger than the dropoff after Lundqvist

Ah okay, that explains it.

(BTW, dear god, nearly 40k views in 4 hours. Hockey sure been missed.)

 

[bDtKarlsson]

That's always Sweden's problem. Not enough shooters/selfish players among forwards.

Missed the game but after reading the comments here I got that #65 was horrible?

That's his problem. When he's bad, he can be atrociously bad. When he's good, he can be totally dominant. You never know what you're gonna get.

But Lindholm should clearly play with him, he's much more defensive-minded than Ekholm.

Erik was far from horrible. He was more like mediocre. He showed great promise in the powerplay and we got to see some flashes of brilliance. But overall we can expect more from him, and I'm pretty sure we'll get it

 

[Slimmy]

That's always Sweden's problem. Not enough shooters/selfish players among forwards.

Missed the game but after reading the comments here I got that #65 was horrible?

That's his problem. When he's bad, he can be atrociously bad. When he's good, he can be totally dominant. You never know what you're gonna get.

But Lindholm should clearly play with him, he's much more defensive-minded than Ekholm.

Karlsson was fine.

 

[Radomon]

lol that's funny grasp to your straws. It's never a legit goal when the opponent is in the crease. Unfortunately sometimes it is allowed, but if you are on the blue paint even by a toe, it's in the rules that you need to disallow it.

"Rinne said he thought Finland got lucky that OEL's goal was waved off. If Gronborg could challenge, Rinne said he probably would have won."

 

[57special]

How was Haula?

 

[Willy Stylez]

That's always Sweden's problem. Not enough shooters/selfish players among forwards.

Missed the game but after reading the comments here I got that #65 was horrible?

That's his problem. When he's bad, he can be atrociously bad. When he's good, he can be totally dominant. You never know what you're gonna get.

But Lindholm should clearly play with him, he's much more defensive-minded than Ekholm.

Ek was allright, he was definitely not horrible just ok. Hopefully we get to see Lindholm with Karlsson in the next game and see how they work together, Ekholm was fine to, but still think Lindholm would be great with Karlsson. Typicall first game.

 

[Legend Leinonen]

How was Haula?

Me likey.

 

[Gsus]

That's always Sweden's problem. Not enough shooters/selfish players among forwards.

No, this is Finland's problem. Don't you take it from us

Finland was good in the first period, then it evened up and Sweden got better. Sweden dominated the OT, Finland couldn't do crap. Swedes definitely got a little bit too fancy. Finland scored with our only shot on goal I guess.

Laine was okay at some points but for him it was a bad game. And he knew after the game and said that he couldn't have been any worse. Few good passes and a shot to Barkov's ass from the near circle, I really think that had a really good chance of going in considering the shot power and it was going up to the glove side.

I hope Laine gets even one good pass to the circle on PP on Saturday. Today he got one pass there and it was a bad one to take a shot.

 

[Lempo]

As a neutral fan, I thought Sweden was the better team. Goaltending, primarily, let them down.

Speaking as a biased picker of nits, it's a game where the purpose is to make more goals than you allow. If a team has a considerable malfunction in the allowing part of it, it's highly debatable if that team can be within those terms be called better to an opposing team that may be less skilled in F and D but without similar malfunction in G.

 

[Sorey*]

What you whined about when it came to grönborg was primarily player selections where I can guarantee you that no one has ever Done a worse job than BÅG in 2010 where he put ****ing weinhandl with the prime twins and refused to switch stuff up when it didn't click. Agree on Rönnberg though (or Hallam)

If grönborg didnt had lidstorm and alfie to help, I am sure his player selections would be as bad as BÅG.

 

[EK47]

If grönborg didnt had lidstorm and alfie to help, I am sure his player selections would be as bad as BÅG.

Now you're just speculating relax the tournament is still some time away

 

[Loffer]

Barky is a machine, yes. But do machines have creativity - or emtions?

 

[Sojourn]

Speaking as a biased picker of nits, it's a game where the purpose is to make more goals than you allow. If a team has a considerable malfunction in the allowing part of it, it's highly debatable if that team can be within those terms be called better to an opposing team that may be less skilled in F and D but without similar malfunction in G.

Yes, but from the Swedish perspective, if this game had actually mattered, Enroth wouldn't have been in the game to begin with. He certainly wouldn't, shouldn't have been in it based on his performance.

That's why Sweden has a lot to be happy about. There were mistakes, certainly, but one of the biggest issues was only really an issue because it was an exhibition game. One of the other big mistakes was penalty trouble. That's something they'll need to be careful about. It's no good to carry the play more at even strength if you're putting yourself a man down.

But I'd agree to disagree with you on your overall point. A team can absolutely be the better team despite their goaltending(for half of the game) looking poor. Team play isn't defined by one player. Team results can be. Particularly where the goaltender is involved.

Like I said, both teams have reasons to be happy. I'm not suggesting the actual results don't matter, but there is a bigger picture to look at here. In a short tournament, these exhibition games are the only real opportunity you have to see what you have, and experiment. Otherwise, why even put Enroth in halfway through? Markstrom was playing fine. You can't just ignore the goaltender change without realizing it was done because it was an exhibition game. That same thing happens during the NHL pre-season, but it doesn't during the regular season. For good reason.

 

[psycho_dad*]

"Rinne said he thought Finland got lucky that OEL's goal was waved off. If Gronborg could challenge, Rinne said he probably would have won."

I know it's often allowed but rules are quite clear. There's nothing wrong with disallowing a goal when the opponent is in your crease before the puck is. Even though it does not always get disallowed when it happens.

 

[Lempo]

Barky is a machine, yes. But do machines have creativity - or emtions?

Don't worry, he will surely dream of electric sheep when he shuts down for the night.

 

[Gsus]

Barky is a machine, yes. But do machines have creativity - or emtions?

Barkov doesn't have emotions. I'm not sure but I think it will mean the world is gonna end when Barkov gets angry.

My friend told me that Barkov slashed his stick to the boards or something during the playoffs last season, but I don't buy it.

 

[psycho_dad*]

But I'd agree to disagree with you on your overall point. A team can absolutely be the better team despite their goaltending(for half of the game) looking poor.

This only applies if you consider goalie as not part of the team.

Does anyone think goalie is not part of a hockey team? Seriously?

 

[Lempo]

But I'd agree to disagree with you on your overall point. A team can absolutely be the better team despite their goaltending(for half of the game) looking poor. Team play isn't defined by one player. Team results can be. Particularly where the goaltender is involved.

I guess it goes down to how you define a "team" here. I did purposefully start from the "it's a goal-making game" point of view for my assessment, which I admit is kind of like those pictures where you have to shut one eye and tilt your head to see what's in it. And only spoke of this game only, with this goalie.

 

[BB88]

How was Haula?

Fun player to watch, lots of energy.

 

[Phil McKraken]

This only applies if you consider goalie as not part of the team.

Does anyone think goalie is not part of a hockey team? Seriously?

The third goalie is barely part of the team. His point was that Enroth won't be playing in this tournament.

 

[Trilliann]

Barkov doesn't have emotions. I'm not sure but I think it will mean the world is gonna end when Barkov gets angry.

My friend told me that Barkov slashed his stick to the boards or something during the playoffs last season, but I don't buy it.

He kinda almost snapped at a reporter once, when they just got back from Russia, "Your father just got here too, have you talked to him yet? - No, because I have to stand here"
It was so surreal

 

[psycho_dad*]

The third goalie is barely part of the team. His point was that Enroth won't be playing in this tournament.

Yeah today it was Lundqvist and he wasn't part of the team.

I know what his point was. Rinne might not be Finland starter either. We will get to those games when we do but today the result was this.