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GDT: Exhibition • Finland vs. Sweden

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Gsus said:
No, this is Finland's problem. Don't you take it from us:rant:

Finland was good in the first period, then it evened up and Sweden got better. Sweden dominated the OT, Finland couldn't do crap. Swedes definitely got a little bit too fancy. Finland scored with our only shot on goal I guess.

Laine was okay at some points but for him it was a bad game. And he knew after the game and said that he couldn't have been any worse. Few good passes and a shot to Barkov's ass from the near circle, I really think that had a really good chance of going in considering the shot power and it was going up to the glove side.

I hope Laine gets even one good pass to the circle on PP on Saturday. Today he got one pass there and it was a bad one to take a shot.
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That's pretty cool considering that he apparently had 57% corsi. Any thoughts as to the average corsi of Finland? Thought that Finland was playing on the defensive zone like 75% of the match so there shouldn't be too many players with positive corsi.
 
GeorgeLeafer12 said:
Worst players for each team

Finland: Sami Vatanen (was worst player of the game)
Sweden: Jhonas Enroth (was the worst goalie of the game)

Honorable mention
Mikko Koivu* (FIN) Erik Karlsson** (SWE)

*only one good executed play from Mikko,other weise most
invisible player on the ice
** had most giveaways in this game and in his standards,
his offensive game wasn't that good either.
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I honestly think Vatanen was drunk as hell :nod:
 
Sorey said:
I dont get your hatred for BÅG. He is a better coach then Grönborg.
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I don't hate BÃ…G as a game coach he was pretty decent but his player selections were not good, and towards the end of his tenure as head coach he started refusing to change things that were obviously not working that's it. I'm done this is is ****ing ridiculous
 
TheCerebral1 said:
I kept getting interrupted to watch the entire game. Ristolainen, had a quiet but successful game, pushing the puck, finishing hits?
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I think he was one of the better defensemen, which isn't saying much. But he didn't make outrageously terrible plays like Vatanen was doing all the time.
 
After the game I was thinking about how good Barkov was at the same age as Laine and how great Barkov is today. It only took a few years for him to get on this level and while having had the luxury of seeing both of them develop in the same organisation I can say with a good conscience that Laine is even more talented. So if Barkov can bring down and all-star defence team like Sweden today, I can only imagine what Laine can do just two or three years from now. Of course they are totally different type of players and not really comparable, just something fun to think about.

That said, I think Sweden looked like the better team today while the Finns were better at using their opportunities. Not really a meaningful game anyway, even though it's good to know we can beat our beloved neighbour no matter how much better they look on the paper.
 
ijuka said:
That's pretty cool considering that he apparently had 57% corsi. Any thoughts as to the average corsi of Finland? Thought that Finland was playing on the defensive zone like 75% of the match so there shouldn't be too many players with positive corsi.
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His expectations for himself are of course high. That's what most exceptional, top of the world athletes have in common...never too satisfied with their performance. Laine was probably in the top 3-4 of forwards today for Finland, but when a superb shooter like himself can't get any shots on net of course he will feel that it went like ****.

He'll probably do better next game. The great thing is, he played against a top 2 defense in the world and did not look at all out of place. And his team won. Can't say I've seen many people do that at 18 years old. Looking very good for his first NHL season when he can already hang with a defense that has Karlsson, OEL, Hedman etc. There's no NHL team that can match it.
 
psycho_dad said:
This only applies if you consider goalie as not part of the team. :laugh:

Does anyone think goalie is not part of a hockey team? Seriously?
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Uh, no, that doesn't only apply if you consider the goaltender to not be part of the team. But the goaltender isn't the whole team. There are 5 other players from the team on the ice at any one time, and a total of 18 skaters. Are you really trying to suggest that a poor game from a goaltender means the rest of the team can't play well?

"Does anyone think" that? Seriously?
 
kelsier said:
After the game I was thinking about how good Barkov was at the same age as Laine and how great Barkov is today. It only took a few years for him to get on this level and while having had the luxury of seeing both of them develop in the same organisation I can say with a good conscience that Laine is even more talented. So if Barkov can bring down and all-star defence team like Sweden today, I can only imagine what Laine can do just two or three years from now. Of course they are totally different type of players and not really comparable, just something fun to think about.
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I know, I was thinking the same. When Barkov played in Sotchi, he was on the level that Laine is today (compared to the elite they are playing against) and I think that might have been a good full year of development more. I could be wrong.

Different players, but what a future!
 
Sojourn said:
Uh, no, that doesn't only apply if you consider the goaltender to not be part of the team. But the goaltender isn't the whole team. There are 5 other players from the team on the ice at any one time, and a total of 18 skaters. Are you really trying to suggest that a poor game from a goaltender means the rest of the team can't play well?

"Does anyone think" that? Seriously?
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A goalie is always part of the team. There are 6 players on the ice if there are no penalties and one of them is the goalie (you can replace the goalie with a skater though if you want).

It does not matter how well 5/6 play if the 1/6 plays like ****. "You're only as good as your weakest link" and if the weakest link is the goalie then you have even more problems. Today the overall quality of Team Sweden was not good enough to win. It was of course highlighted that it was mainly due to bad goaltending, but the team still wins and the team still loses. They didn't give the Nagano 1998 gold medal only to Dominik Hasek, the whole team got them. Even though he was the main reason they won it. He was still part of that team.

Just like all the selected goalies who are playing that day (starter and backup) are part of the team that day.

You might have a better day of goaltending with Lundqvist on saturday, but Finnish forwards might have a better day then too. It's a team game, not an individual sport.
 
MrJonas said:
The third goalie is barely part of the team. His point was that Enroth won't be playing in this tournament.
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To a degree. The other point was that the goaltender's play doesn't speak for the rest of the team. A goaltender can have a great game, even if the team in front of him plays poorly. A goaltender can have a poor game, even if the team in front of him plays well.

The final results of the game, and the team's play aren't always one and the same.

But I do think it's noteworthy that this was an exhibition game, and the coach put in the 3rd string goaltender halfway through the game, despite Markstrom having a solid game in the first half. It's even more noteworthy that he left Enroth in, despite obvious struggles.

It's not even like I'm saying Finland didn't deserve to win, or that Sweden dominated. I'm simply suggesting that both teams have reason to be happy, and I felt that, over the course of the game, Sweden was a bit better overall. Goaltending was the difference, and a big reason for that was because it was an exhibition game. That doesn't mean Sweden wins the next game. It's just a one-game sample size, in an exhibition game. Improving upon this game isn't limited to Sweden. Both teams can, and should, improve. I even mentioned that I thought Finland's PP was underwhelming, and they could have put together a stronger performance based on some improvements there. With a better PP, it's possible the game doesn't go to overtime to begin with.
 
psycho_dad said:
A goalie is always part of the team. There are 6 players on the ice if there are no penalties and one of them is the goalie (you can replace the goalie with a skater though if you want).

It does not matter how well 5/6 play if the 1/6 plays like ****. "You're only as good as your weakest link" and if the weakest link is the goalie then you have even more problems. Today the overall quality of Team Sweden was not good enough to win. It was of course highlighted that it was mainly due to bad goaltending, but the team still wins and the team still loses. They didn't give the Nagano 1998 gold medal only to Dominik Hasek, the whole team got them. Even though he was the main reason they won it. He was still part of that team.

Just like all the selected goalies who are playing that day (starter and backup) are part of the team that day.

You might have a better day of goaltending with Lundqvist on saturday, but Finnish forwards might have a better day then too. It's a team game, not an individual sport.
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What is this "we" nonsense? I'm not a Swedish fan.

And you're just looking for reasons to dispute my suggestion that Sweden was a bit better overall. You haven't actually countered any of what I've said, except to suggest I've said something that I never said. I never said the goaltender isn't part of the team. I never implied it. I never inferred it. But the goaltender isn't the only member of the team, and the performance of the team isn't dictated by a single player.

But, as I have already said, and which apparently has been ignored, the results can be.
 
I don't really care about the World cup, due to its format, but for Sweden to be successful - losing two exhibition games to Finland just before it starts, might be a good thing.

That takes some of the primadonnas down a notch, making them understand that they have to go 100% or they will have a rude awakening when things get real.

And yes, Karlsson unfortunately has some primadonna in him. He always seem to start seasons really poorly, only to get going after the mid-point.

Glad to hear that Silfverberg looked good, he's also a known slow starter.
 
Radomon said:


"Rinne said he thought Finland got lucky that OEL's goal was waved off. If Gronborg could challenge, Rinne said he probably would have won."
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it was horrible call, and this comes from finland fan

Gsus said:
Barkov doesn't have emotions.:laugh: I'm not sure but I think it will mean the world is gonna end when Barkov gets angry.

My friend told me that Barkov slashed his stick to the boards or something during the playoffs last season, but I don't buy it.
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maybe the board was just on his way and it has to be destroyed :laugh:
 
Urheilulehti analysis says that Jokipakka was playing properly and confidently and Ristolainen was brought up as an example of a player who was playing incorrectly and too scared.
 
What about the Saturday's game in Sweden. I assume Lundqvist gets a start? I think we see a bit different Sweden with mentality. Today they hardly even wanted to win.
 
Lennu said:
What about the Saturday's game in Sweden. I assume Lundqvist gets a start? I think we see a bit different Sweden with mentality. Today they hardly even wanted to win.
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Lundqvist has a rib injury. Not sure he will play until the WC.
 
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