Confirmed with Link: Evgeny Svechnikov to a PTO

[Atoyot]

I would put money on Svech not making the club out of TC. He won’t have to clear waivers without an NHL contract and he can be signed up until the signing deadline, which I would also put money on happening. This was a very crafty move by Jets and gives us an extra player when the time is right. Or did I miss something?

You're missing that anyone can step in and sign him at any time.

 

[larmex99]

You're missing that anyone can step in and sign him at any time.

I get that. If he wants to play elsewhere he will have that choice. The meeting with Chevy before naming the starting lineup will be telling. I am guessing that it has been discussed as part of the negotiation to sign him to the Moose. Just purely guesswork on my part.

 

[Atoyot]

I get that. If he wants to play elsewhere he will have that choice. The meeting with Chevy before naming the starting lineup will be telling. I am guessing that it has been discussed as part of the negotiation to sign him to the Moose. Just purely guesswork on my part.

Why would he agree to sit in the AHL for the entire year to be given a contract when it finally suits us if another team is willing to offer an NHL contract now? 0% chance that's what he agreed to.

 

[larmex99]

Why would he agree to sit in the AHL for the entire year to be given a contract when it finally suits us if another team is willing to offer an NHL contract now? 0% chance that's what he agreed to.

He wouldn’t but he might agree to go down for a short time to allow for a call up for an injury. Maybe it won’t happen. We will see. I am not trying to start a 3 page extravaganza here, just spitballing. It will become obvious very soon. We will see if he cracks opening day.

 

[surixon]

Why would he agree to sit in the AHL for the entire year to be given a contract when it finally suits us if another team is willing to offer an NHL contract now? 0% chance that's what he agreed to.

Agreed, it's more likely that he already has a contract worked out with the Jets and they are waiting until after camp to finalize it in order to maximize the Little LTIR cushion.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Agreed, it's more likely that he already has a contract worked out with the Jets and they are waiting until after camp to finalize it in order to maximize the Little LTIR cushion.

Hope he is on the Jets roster start of the season. He's earned it this tc, xgames.
The contract issue is just a matter of legality, writing a new NHL one and him signing it, day one of the season.

 

[surixon]

Copp with a muffin

 

[TS Quint]

Yeah they have purged a lot of the prior regimes prospects. Pretty short sighted if you ask me.

Who do you think they should have kept?

 

[surixon]

Who do you think they should have kept?

Mantha is the first person that comes to mind.

 

[TS Quint]

Mantha is the first person that comes to mind.

For Vrana a 1st and a 2nd. I don't see it as a bad deal meant to purge the team of Holland players. That sounds like a good hockey trade getting a player back that could nearly cover Mantha's production, is 2 years younger, plus two significant picks when they look to still be a a few years away from competing.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

I get that. If he wants to play elsewhere he will have that choice. The meeting with Chevy before naming the starting lineup will be telling. I am guessing that it has been discussed as part of the negotiation to sign him to the Moose. Just purely guesswork on my part.

They either sign him or lose him. He will be signed IMO because another team will.

 

[DRW204]

For Vrana a 1st and a 2nd. I don't see it as a bad deal meant to purge the team of Holland players. That sounds like a good hockey trade getting a player back that could nearly cover Mantha's production, is 2 years younger, plus two significant picks when they look to still be a a few years away from competing.

vrana is just as good, if not better than mantha. stylistically a bit different, but vrana+1st+2nd you take that for mantha. also seems like the org was never sold on Mantha early on in his career. i think lot of that got fixed over the years, btu still always had a bit of a negative bias towards him.

for svech, he's going to be a bottom-6 player likely wherever he goes. so losing him it's not a big deal. those guys are typically dime-a-dozen. now if he explodes and becomes a quality top-6er it obviously becomes a bigger loss. he's played well for us, but it is pre-season & against some rosters that are probably on their B or C teams lol.

do think he'll be an nhl player for us, but i think bottom-6er , 20-25 pts will be his reg-season output (82 games). perhaps him and PLD have some chemistry? not sure, but i doubt Maurice gives him a top-6 look unless injuries.

 

[surixon]

vrana is just as good, if not better than mantha. stylistically a bit different, but vrana+1st+2nd you take that for mantha. also seems like the org was never sold on Mantha early on in his career. i think lot of that got fixed over the years, btu still always had a bit of a negative bias towards him.

for svech, he's going to be a bottom-6 player likely wherever he goes. so losing him it's not a big deal. those guys are typically dime-a-dozen. now if he explodes and becomes a quality top-6er it obviously becomes a bigger loss. he's played well for us, but it is pre-season & against some rosters that are probably on their B or C teams lol.

do think he'll be an nhl player for us, but i think bottom-6er , 20-25 pts will be his reg-season output (82 games). perhaps him and PLD have some chemistry? not sure, but i doubt Maurice gives him a top-6 look unless injuries.

I'm fine with 25 to 30 points from a bottom 6 spot from him. He looks like he could also have some utility on a second pp unit.

I'm not expecting a top 6 player at this point but we are going to be a bit weak in terms of RW depth over the next few years especially if Wheeler continues to slow down. We may need to do it by committe at that specific position.

 

[Whileee]

I'm fine with 25 to 30 points from a bottom 6 spot from him. He looks like he could also have some utility on a second pp unit.

I'm not expecting a top 6 player at this point but we are going to be a bit weak in terms of RW depth over the next few years especially if Wheeler continues to slow down. We may need to do it by committe at that specific position.

Agree. I like the idea of having a couple of big wingers with some skills that can start to fill in the roster as Wheeler moves into a less prominent role, and the Jets look to integrate some of their prospects (Perfetti, Lucius, Chibrikov). I think Harkins looks a notch above Svechnikov and Vesalainen at this point, mainly because he plays with higher pace (quicker skater), but Svechnikov is able to make quick decisions and Vesalainen has a nice blend of some speed and shows improving his decision-making. Add Gus as a player with so-so speed, but very quick game-processing and a big body. With the top end talent the Jets have, these are good complementary young players that can be hard to play against and will be affordable for the bottom 6 in a forward group.

 

[Huffer]

Based on his injuries and some comments from Wings fans, I was expecting his skating to be a lot worse. He'll never be mistaken for Ehlers, but it's not as bad as I was expecting.

I am expecting the org keeps him around somehow. Maybe won't be on the Jets on day 1 due to contracts, etc, but he's shown pretty decently that he could carve out a bottom 6 spot (albeit small sample size).

 

[larmex99]

They either sign him or lose him. He will be signed IMO because another team will.

I have been trying to find the details on AHL contract terms as they relate to a player signed for the season in the AHL being able to sign with any NHL team. Anyone know where to look for that?

 

[Yukon Joe]

You're missing that anyone can step in and sign him at any time.

I don't know the intricacies of the CBA that well, but is that true? I thought he's under contract, and a contract is a contract. Can someone really swoop in and offer him an NHL contract despite the fact he's on an AHL contract?

 

[surixon]

I don't know the intricacies of the CBA that well, but is that true? I thought he's under contract, and a contract is a contract. Can someone really swoop in and offer him an NHL contract despite the fact he's on an AHL contract?

Absolutely they can. We have seen numerous players on the Moose get inked to two way deals while on an AHL deal.

 

[Atoyot]

I don't know the intricacies of the CBA that well, but is that true? I thought he's under contract, and a contract is a contract. Can someone really swoop in and offer him an NHL contract despite the fact he's on an AHL contract?

100%.

 

[larmex99]

100%.

Is there a link? Not doubting you just want to see it in print.

 

[larmex99]

So, I made a few inquiries. AHL contract terms are not made public as the terms are negotiated privately between the parties and and can include many variations. There is no standard contract involved, except that it must conform to the league requirements of compensation, player qualifications etc. and those are laid out in league releases on their web site and do not include players wishing to get out of a contract to accept an NHL offer.

Anyone that wants to confirm can contact the league office. They only respond to email inquiries. So, unless there is further information forthcoming we don’t know how Evgeny’s contract reads. Hopefully someone that has more time than me will invest it in finding out more about this. I bet Garret has an idea about these matters.

 

[Atoyot]

So what I'm gathering is that he is not eligible to sign with any NHL team, including the Jets, without first mutually terminating his AHL contract. Terminating his AHL contract does not guarantee that he has to sign with the Jets. Moose can agree to terminate with the assumption that he'll sign with the Jets, but there's no way to do it where he's forced to sign with the Jets after the contract termination. So essentially the Jets have no claim to him at all, only the Moose do. So yeah, I was admittedly a little off.

@larmex99

 

[larmex99]

So what I'm gathering is that he is not eligible to sign with any NHL team, including the Jets, without first mutually terminating his AHL contract. Terminating his AHL contract does not guarantee that he has to sign with the Jets. Moose can agree to terminate with the assumption that he'll sign with the Jets, but there's no way to do it where he's forced to sign with the Jets after the contract termination. So essentially the Jets have no claim to him at all, only the Moose do. So yeah, I was admittedly a little off.

@larmex99

I would guess that they have already gone through the scenarios and agreed on the steps to be taken. Hopefully he is on the team at season’s start or very shortly after.

 

[Atoyot]

I would guess that they have already gone through the scenarios and agreed on the steps to be taken. Hopefully he is on the team at season’s start or very shortly after.

I'm sure there's a verbal agreement and expectations, but again, between terminating the contract and being signed he can do whatever he wants.

 

[larmex99]

I'm sure there's a verbal agreement and expectations, but again, between terminating the contract and being signed he can do whatever he wants.

Yup