Prospect Info: Everything Swedish

[GreatGordie9]

In the SHL Veleno scores a beauty,

https://detroitsportsnation.com/red...ker/detroit-red-wings-news/11/14/2020/238724/

 

[Gniwder]

Funny thing if we could sign Gelinas and resurrect his NHL career.

At least he would fit on the Yzerman size-plan with defencemen as being 6'4.

I think this is a definite possibility, he's younger (30 next season), bigger, and better than Biega. Worst case, he's #7D.

The Wings only have DDK and Stetcher under contract next season with Hronek as RFA. I assume Sieder will be with the team as well, so that's 4 defensemen, and Gelinas has more upside than Biega or STaal. Provides more offense than Merrill. So it would be an upgrade over some of the current D. Plus he'll be cheap, so the contract could be buried if he winds up sucking.

I'm sure the staff is watching all of the games.....

Edit: I meant 21-22 season when I said "next season"....

 

[Gniwder]

Considering the SHL season will probably end before the NHL season and the Red Wings will more than likely trade Nemeth and possibly Staal/Merrill (if they can find buyers), I wouldn't be surprised if they bring Gelinas in after the SHL season is over along with Seider. Sorta like when they brought the college kids (Hirose/Kuffner) in couple of years ago.


Post TDL D pairs:

DDK-Hronek
Gelinas-Seider
Staal/Stecher/Johansson-Lindstrom/Biega/Stecher

Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I'd like to see Seider play this season, so why not just bring his partner with him? Gelinas has almost as many NHL games as Biega.

 

[Pavels Dog]

We are not signing Gelinas, come on people.

 

[Gniwder]

We are not signing Gelinas, come on people.

Why not? Going into this offseason, would you have guessed Stecher, Staal, and Merrill would be on the roster? I had my money on Greene.

Who's filling in if the team trades Nemeth and Merrill? Do you really want to see a Staal/Biega pairing after the TDL?

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Why not? Going into this offseason, would you have guessed Stecher, Staal, and Merrill would be on the roster? I had my money on Greene.

Who's filling in if the team trades Nemeth and Merrill? Do you really want to see a Staal/Biega pairing after the TDL?

After TDL:

DDK-Hronek
Stecher-Seider
Staal-Lindstrom
Biega

Nemeth traded is almost a foregone conclusion. we can always resign him in UFA if we want/need to.

Likely traded: Merrill.

Unlikely, but possibly traded: Biega & Staal.
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**In the unlikely event ALL of (Nemeth/Merrill/Staal/Biega) are traded:

DDK-Hronek
Stecher-Seider
Cholo/Johansson/(GR dman)?-Lindstrom

 

[ShanahanMan]

Why are they reducing Raymond’s minutes?

 

[Pavels Dog]

Why not? Going into this offseason, would you have guessed Stecher, Staal, and Merrill would be on the roster? I had my money on Greene.

Who's filling in if the team trades Nemeth and Merrill? Do you really want to see a Staal/Biega pairing after the TDL?

I would put a higher degree of possibility on Albert Johansson coming in after the SHL season is finished than Gelinas. He's just not very good imo and we can certainly find other options.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Why are they reducing Raymond’s minutes?

I'm not aware of any conscious reducing of Raymond's minutes on Frölunda's part. Any variance is likely just a matter of how much powerplay/boxplay there is and other small factors like that.

 

[SantosHalper]

There is literally 13 players like Gelinas in a dozen. Seider is making Gelinas look this good, and Seider is just that damn good. Seider clicks instantly with anyone he plays with. Lets not get crazy here.

 

[Henkka]

There is literally 13 players like Gelinas in a dozen. Seider is making Gelinas look this good, and Seider is just that damn good. Seider clicks instantly with anyone he plays with. Lets not get crazy here.

Gelinas looked good already without Seider. Don't sell him short. Of course he would not be more than 3rd pair complimentary defenceman in NHL. But so was Fredrik Olausson and gelled with Lidström.

 

[ShanahanMan]

I'm not aware of any conscious reducing of Raymond's minutes on Frölunda's part. Any variance is likely just a matter of how much powerplay/boxplay there is and other small factors like that.

Thanks.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

There is literally 13 players like Gelinas in a dozen. Seider is making Gelinas look this good, and Seider is just that damn good. Seider clicks instantly with anyone he plays with. Lets not get crazy here.

This. Also, nice avatar.

 

[Gniwder]

I would put a higher degree of possibility on Albert Johansson coming in after the SHL season is finished than Gelinas. He's just not very good imo and we can certainly find other options.

I'd be OK with Johansson as well, I just don't really care to have Staal or Biega playing full time. Gelinas has NHL experience, Jo doesn't, and he's only 19. You rarely see two 20 YO dmen in the lineup...

There is literally 13 players like Gelinas in a dozen. Seider is making Gelinas look this good, and Seider is just that damn good. Seider clicks instantly with anyone he plays with. Lets not get crazy here.

Yes, and all 13 are better than Biega or Staal and would be an upgrade after Nemeth and Merrill are traded.

Take a look at what the D looks like after the TDL, you'll be begging for Gelinas (or maybe Johansson, we'll se how he does).

 

[ricky0034]

I'd be OK with Johansson as well, I just don't really care to have Staal or Biega playing full time. Gelinas has NHL experience, Jo doesn't, and he's only 19. You rarely see two 20 YO dmen in the lineup...


Yes, and all 13 are better than Biega or Staal and would be an upgrade after Nemeth and Merrill are traded.

Take a look at what the D looks like after the TDL, you'll be begging for Gelinas (or maybe Johansson, we'll se how he does).

you're overrating Gelinas quite a bit if you think he's for sure better than those guys

he could be since they suck but the guy didn't go over to Europe for the hell of it he flat out couldn't find an NHL job(and then spent a full year in the AHL and flat out couldn't find an NHL job AGAIN)

 

[Pavels Dog]

you're overrating Gelinas quite a bit if you think he's for sure better than those guys

he could be since they suck but the guy didn't go over to Europe for the hell of it he flat out couldn't find an NHL job(and then spent a full year in the AHL and flat out couldn't find an NHL job AGAIN)

And tbh hasn't been THAT great in Europe either. There's a fair case to be made that Seider is helping him a lot this season, I see Seider cleaning up a lot of Gelinas' mistakes.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

We are not signing Gelinas, come on people.

He's looked good with Seider but it's mostly because Seider is the guy that's keeping zone possession at the blueline (surprise) and is the first defenseman back. I think Seider ends up getting Gelinas a good 2-way contract in the NHL or a pretty decent KHL contract after the year just based off of statistics. I don't think it'll be with Detroit.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Both Berggren and Raymond are scheduled to play today. We'll see what happens in SHL, government just came out with new Covid guidelines of max 8 people in public gatherings. Things are looking pretty grim.

 

[lhsgolf19]

Seider and Rogle postpone their game tomorrow vs. Malmo and Veleno due to COVID positive tests

 

[Gniwder]

you're overrating Gelinas quite a bit if you think he's for sure better than those guys

he could be since they suck but the guy didn't go over to Europe for the hell of it he flat out couldn't find an NHL job(and then spent a full year in the AHL and flat out couldn't find an NHL job AGAIN)

Well, I hate Biega, so that has to do with it as well, but keep in mind Biega cleared waivers too. I rate Gelinas, above Biega and Staal, which are very low bars.

Sieder can elevate Gelinas game, I don't see him doing the same for Staal who's old, slow, and never had much of an offensive game. Biega is going to be small regardless of who he plays with, and I don't see him getting paired with Seider anyways because they're both right handed.

I suppose they can pair Seider with Stecher, but then the third pair is a complete trainwreck that won't be able to move the puck.

It may not be Gelinas, but if both Nemeth and Merril are traded, I'm almost certain they pick up a low end D. I don't see Lindstrom, Seider, and Johansson all playing in the same game this season.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Well, I hate Biega, so that has to do with it as well, but keep in mind Biega cleared waivers too. I rate Gelinas, above Biega and Staal, which are very low bars.

Sieder can elevate Gelinas game, I don't see him doing the same for Staal who's old, slow, and never had much of an offensive game. Biega is going to be small regardless of who he plays with, and I don't see him getting paired with Seider anyways because they're both right handed.

I suppose they can pair Seider with Stecher, but then the third pair is a complete trainwreck that won't be able to move the puck.

It may not be Gelinas, but if both Nemeth and Merril are traded, I'm almost certain they pick up a low end D. I don't see Lindstrom, Seider, and Johansson all playing in the same game this season.

I'd be shocked if Albert Johansson didn't spend some part of 21-22 in the AHL. Seider will be a full timer in the NHL then. Lindstrom...we'll see. The guy is solid if not unspectacular at every level he's been at. He's going to be a low impact stay at homer in every league in the world.

I like Nemeth and honestly hope that the Wings don't trade him. He's under 30 and provides a steadying presence on our blueline. He'd be an ideal 3rd pair anchor while we have Seider and Hronek be the lead defensemen on their own pairs.

Staal is basically looking like our 6th or 7th defenseman. The guy was apparently washed up and carried by Tony DeAngelo last year. If he's bad then he rides the pine or goes to Grand Rapids. He won't be with Detroit in 21 so I'm not worried about it one bit.

 

[SantosHalper]

Gelinas looked good already without Seider. Don't sell him short. Of course he would not be more than 3rd pair complimentary defenceman in NHL. But so was Fredrik Olausson and gelled with Lidström.

I don't sell him short, i just see any point to sign Gelinas to play 10 games(?) after the TDL. Lashoff, McIlrath, Hicketts, Cholowski and maybe even McIsaac if he gets healthy can play those games as well as Gelinas would. And Seth Barton 3rd round pick from 2018 draft starts his 3rd year in college, maybe Yzerman signs him. Then Barton migh get the taste. Olausson had +900 games under his belt when he came to Detroit, he wasn't really a wildcard signing.

I'd be OK with Johansson as well, I just don't really care to have Staal or Biega playing full time. Gelinas has NHL experience, Jo doesn't, and he's only 19. You rarely see two 20 YO dmen in the lineup...


Yes, and all 13 are better than Biega or Staal and would be an upgrade after Nemeth and Merrill are traded.

Take a look at what the D looks like after the TDL, you'll be begging for Gelinas (or maybe Johansson, we'll se how he does).

It depends a lot who Yzerman is able to sell at the TDL, Nement and Merrill should be easy to sell. But Staal is very hard to sell, Wings would have retain 50% and even still it's not going to be easy. So 2 d-men traded at the TDL, and Seider & Lindström takes their spots after the TDL. Red Wings are still tanking, Staal & Biega might be trash but that trash is helping to get us best possible draft pick.

Johansson is still too raw, let him play in Sweden 1 more year. After the TDL any spots there are open are going to be filled with AHL guys. We are not looking to win here, tank is still very much on. Play competitive games, lose by slim margin and be pain in the ass for playoff teams.

And then at the draft: Detroit Red Wings are proud to select from University of Michigan, Owen Power! In few years this seasons D-corps are going to be just a bad memory.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I don't think it's been said here, but Seider's 2nd goal of his SHL career was on a slapshot.



Now I've gone on record as complaining about Seider not hammering the puck as the one glaring weakness to his game. That's a pretty decent shot right there.

 

[Henkka]

I don't sell him short, i just see any point to sign Gelinas to play 10 games(?) after the TDL. Lashoff, McIlrath, Hicketts, Cholowski and maybe even McIsaac if he gets healthy can play those games as well as Gelinas would. And Seth Barton 3rd round pick from 2018 draft starts his 3rd year in college, maybe Yzerman signs him. Then Barton migh get the taste. Olausson had +900 games under his belt when he came to Detroit, he wasn't really a wildcard signing.

Who did say that Gelinas should jump in after the deadline?

He is mostly summer move after expansion draft, if there's any move.

We have DeKeyser and Stecher signed past 2021 (other could be lost on expansion), and Seider and Hronek obviously on the team. But there's no skill defenceman on left side (even if Merril extended, or McIsaac takes a role, guys are defensive), and that makes Gelinas an interesting option.

That chemistry with Seider would definitely help, he could get some jump for his career, when riding with Seider, and then Yzerman will trade Gelinas for a pick. Free asset, thank you. That's the only meaning in this whole scenario. Gelinas could be at Red Wings for few years, until Wallinder and other kid lefties are ready to jump in.

Sign a free asset - Drive the price up - and sell him.

Same thing what has happened with Fabbri. Just repeat these scenarios continuously.

 

[Marky9er]

Who did say that Gelinas should jump in after the deadline?

He is mostly summer move after expansion draft, if there's any move.

We have DeKeyser and Stecher signed past 2021 (other could be lost on expansion), and Seider and Hronek obviously on the team. But there's no skill defenceman on left side (even if Merril extended, or McIsaac takes a role, guys are defensive), and that makes Gelinas an interesting option.

That chemistry with Seider would definitely help, he could get some jump for his career, when riding with Seider, and then Yzerman will trade Gelinas for a pick. Free asset, thank you. That's the only meaning in this whole scenario. Gelinas could be at Red Wings for few years, until Wallinder and other kid lefties are ready to jump in.

Sign a free asset - Drive the price up - and sell him.

Same thing what has happened with Fabbri. Just repeat these scenarios continuously.

If we are getting Gelinas during upcoming season wouldn't that most likely be a scenario where some team signs him and he has to pass waivers(like Nabokov situation?). Hard to see him in NHL during this/upcoming season.