Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread | Part 409

[Habs Halifax]

Honestly, guys, I think I might just lock the thread.

It was fun while it lasted, but I think it’s time

Going to carry on all the way until the deadline.

 

[Peter Griffin]

This whole EP/Miller “rift” takes away focus from the real issue with this team, the awful defense.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This whole EP/Miller “rift” takes away focus from the real issue with this team, the awful defense.

What's changed from last years D group?

 

[Peter Griffin]

What's changed from last years D group?

They had another competent pairing in Zadorov/Cole that took pressure off Soucy/Myers and allowed the coaching staff to better manage the minutes Hughes wasn’t on the ice. This year they’ve trying to force some combination of Forbort/Desharnais/Juulsen/Brannstrom to work, and it isn’t.

The Canucks desperately need a #3LD that can carry a pairing, hopefully to partner with Willander, and bump Soucy/Myers onto the bottom pairing.

 

[Habs Halifax]

They had another competent pairing in Zadorov/Cole that took pressure off Soucy/Myers and allowed the coaching staff to better manage the minutes Hughes wasn’t on the ice. This year they’ve trying to force some combination of Forbort/Desharnais/Juulsen/Brannstrom to work, and it isn’t.

The Canucks desperately need a #3LD that can carry a pairing, hopefully to partner with Willander, and bump Soucy/Myers onto the bottom pairing.

Makes sense. Those boring guys on D that get the job done are more valuable than most fans will admit. Habs went through D problems this year as well. Things changed after the Barron/Carrier flip and yeah, Carrier is another boring type but gets the job done. Our team D has been much better and it's also connected to bringing up Dobes. Primeau was just horrible this year.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Makes sense. Those boring guys on D that get the job done are more valuable than most fans will admit. Habs went through D problems this year as well. Things changed after the Barron/Carrier flip and yeah, Carrier is another boring type but gets the job done. Our team D has been much better and it's also connected to bringing up Dobes. Primeau was just horrible this year.

One of Allvin’s biggest mistakes this offseason was allowing Cole to walk and thinking they could replace him with Forbort/Desharnais. Cole did slow down last year and was pretty terrible in the playoffs, but for 3/4 of the season he was a rock for this team and played a big leadership role as well. His ability to play both sides was also a huge plus. So far this season Cole again is playing a huge role for Utah and his presence on the Canucks’ blue line is sorely missed.

 

[Jumptheshark]

He said nothing about the Oilers. Why are you making this about the Oilers by shoe-horning them into this?

He was using the injury excuse. All teams get injuries

 

[Habs Halifax]

One of Allvin’s biggest mistakes this offseason was allowing Cole to walk and thinking they could replace him with Forbort/Desharnais. Cole did slow down last year and was pretty terrible in the playoffs, but for 3/4 of the season he was a rock for this team and played a big leadership role as well. His ability to play both sides was also a huge plus. So far this season Cole again is playing a huge role for Utah and his presence on the Canucks’ blue line is sorely missed.

Habs made the same mistake with trading Kovacevic this past summer... thinking Barron can fill his role by learning on the job.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He was using the injury excuse. All teams get injuries

That always depends on how deep the team is, how long the injuries are, and are they multiple core parts? It's not the same that can be applied equally to all teams IMO.

 

[PenderB]

It should be quiet till closer to the trade deadline. Its unlikely that a deal is out there that makes them better this year. They're finally healthy now but if still not comfortably in a wild card spot or 3 seed then I can see trades happening with Miller and Boeser (unless he resigns), possibly Garland too

 

[Peter Griffin]

Habs made the same mistake with trading Kovacevic this past summer... thinking Barron can fill his role by learning on the job.

Kovacevic is another guy Vancouver should’ve been more aggressive on instead of overpaying a worse player in Desharnais.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Kovacevic is another guy Vancouver should’ve been more aggressive on instead of overpaying a worse player in Desharnais.

I liked Kova.... Big boy that skates well and is very physical. I also liked J Merrill with his short time on the Habs. Boring types that only put up 10-20 pts but get the job done. Many Habs fans said they are easily replaceable which is false. Many teams are looking for it and it's hockey, the weakest parts can hold you back because it's a team game more than other sports.

I'm sure the Canucks make a move to add but when do they do it? Not sure

 

[ExarKun80]

This is an extremely difficult decision because Miller is the heart of the team, while Pettersson is their 1C.

I say trade Miller because it's less complicated. I say to the Rangers for 1st, Braden Schneider and Alexis Lafreniere. I see Pettersson being such a good fit for the Canucks in the long-run. Also, Hughes can step up to not just be the soul but heard of the team. And I see Lafreniere being a good fit on a line with Pettersson and Boeser. I think the Rangers aren't a team to develop CHL players, I think if Lafreniere was to play for the Canucks he'd bounce back similar to how Kaapo Kakko is doing with the Kraken.

You can make a 10 min highlights reel of his "controller disconnect" moments. No player like that can be the heart of a team. Hughes is the hart of team and without him Miller would be 70 pts player.

 

[Superlative Soup]

What's changed from last years D group?

Demko isn't in God mode.

 

[ginner classic]

Kovacevic is another guy Vancouver should’ve been more aggressive on instead of overpaying a worse player in Desharnais.

I pinged Drance about him last summer and he was very high on Thomas' list on July 1 as well.

 

[Three On Zero]

He was using the injury excuse. All teams get injuries

Comparing a depth injury to a team that hasn’t played with their entire roster for half a season is also asinine. That’s like saying apples and pineapples are the same thing.

Demko isn't in God mode.

He’s in life support mode.

 

[Coach Parker]

They had another competent pairing in Zadorov/Cole that took pressure off Soucy/Myers and allowed the coaching staff to better manage the minutes Hughes wasn’t on the ice. This year they’ve trying to force some combination of Forbort/Desharnais/Juulsen/Brannstrom to work, and it isn’t.

The Canucks desperately need a #3LD that can carry a pairing, hopefully to partner with Willander, and bump Soucy/Myers onto the bottom pairing.

Suter - Miller - Boeser
DeBrusk - Zacha - Garland
Joshua - Frederic - Sherwood
Heinen - Blueger - Hoglander

Hughes - Carlo
Soucy - Hronek
Forbert/Desharnais - Myers

Depth also would have Juulsen Brisebois Lekkerimaki, Sasson. Unreal and then two 1sts. A better team than tonight's lineup as far as spreading cap and depth.

Also, the best 3rd line in the NHL. Zacha played with Debrusk in the past as well.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Suter - Miller - Boeser
DeBrusk - Zacha - Garland
Joshua - Frederic - Sherwood
Heinen - Blueger - Hoglander

Hughes - Carlo
Soucy - Hronek
Forbert/Desharnais - Myers

Depth also would have Juulsen Brisebois Lekkerimaki, Sasson. Unreal and then two 1sts. A better team than tonight's lineup as far as spreading cap and depth.

Also, the best 3rd line in the NHL. Zacha played with Debrusk in the past as well.

That’s ugly. No thanks. Canucks aren’t looking to trade $1 for three quarters.

 

[Coach Parker]

That’s ugly. No thanks. Canucks aren’t looking to trade $1 for three quarters.

No, last night was ugly. This is a playoff team capable of skating with Vegas.

 

[Peter Griffin]

No, last night was ugly. This is a playoff team capable of skating with Vegas.

Pavel Zacha is a 40 point 3rd liner without Pastrnak. Trent Frederic is a bottom 6 impending UFA, he’s worth around a 3rd round pick. Brandon Carlo is an extremely one dimensional defenseman, doesn’t help the Canucks’ lack of puck movement from the backend one iota. It’s an awful offer.

 

[Coach Parker]

Pavel Zacha is a 40 point 3rd liner without Pastrnak. Trent Frederic is a bottom 6 impending UFA, he’s worth around a 3rd round pick. Brandon Carlo is an extremely one dimensional defenseman, doesn’t help the Canucks’ lack of puck movement from the backend one iota. It’s an awful offer.

Disagree on two of your statements, especially Carlo. I get that you don't watch him play or how he enables guys like Krug but that's why we discuss here.

My lineup above is better than the Canucks lineup currently. Agree to disagree and move on. I have the position of watching both teams regularly while your opinion only follows the Canucks. Unfair advantage for me.

Cheers

 

[Peter Griffin]

Disagree on two of your statements, especially Carlo. I get that you don't watch him play or how he enables guys like Krug but that's why we discuss here.

I could care less what he allowed Krug to do. The Canucks have probably the best defenseman in the league right now, they don’t need to go out and trade Pettersson to acquire a defender to play with him.

My lineup above is better than the Canucks lineup currently. Agree to disagree and move on. I have the position of watching both teams regularly while your opinion only follows the Canucks. Unfair advantage for me.

Cheers

It’s not but I won’t continue to entertain your delusions.

 

[Coach Parker]

I could care less what he allowed Krug to do. The Canucks have probably the best defenseman in the league right now, they don’t need to go out and trade Pettersson to acquire a defender to play with him.


It’s not but I won’t continue to entertain your delusions.

Delusions? No need to get rude here.

You just don't have facts or insightful or educated opinions so it really isn't worth discussing. I don't even have to go into stats of Zacha (goals for example) vs. Miller and Pettersson to find your '3rd line' narrative false (unless you are conceding that those two are also third liners.

See? Not really worth it. It's not fair to you when you don't follow both teams.

Cheers

 

[Peter Griffin]

Delusions? No need to get rude here.

You just don't have facts or insightful or educated opinions so it really isn't worth discussing. I don't even have to go into stats of Zacha (goals for example) vs. Miller and Pettersson to find your '3rd line' narrative false (unless you are conceding that those two are also third liners.

What is Zacha’s production away from Pastrnak?

See? Not really worth it. It's not fair to you when you don't follow both teams.

Cheers

You can continue to say this but all it shows is that you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.

If you want to offer up pieces like Zacha and Carlo, maybe you should be asking about Miller.