Player Discussion Evander Kane

[Heavy Dee]

Feel like there is a real disconnect between Kane and the org. Stauffer carrying water for mgmt saying he is going on LTIR while all others saying he is good t go for camp.

 

[McShogun99]

Saw him jogging in the river valley a couple weeks ago.

Huge difference between jogging and hanging out at the pool and competing in an NHL game.

 

[bellagiobob]

However this ends, I just hope that at some point Kane is able to be a big factor in the playoffs.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

There has always been 3 prospective scenarios for Kane. Not sure I completely understand LTIR but think it's always been the likely scenario for Kane (and the team):

1. Healthy and able to play the 2024-25 season. Questionable with an injury that tends to require surgery over rest and recover. And a warrior player whose condition worsened through Cup playoffs to point he couldn't dress in the most important hockey games of his career.

2. Kane goes on pre-season LTIR locking in Oiler LTIR bucks with his salary cap $5,125,000 minus overages for Broberg, Holloway salaries. The Oiler propagandist was also sewing seeds that Kane may also have shoulder issues so there's public cover regarding Kane to LTIR. This scenario would make sense to try to deal for an expiring LTIR contract, if available, to further grow the fixed LTIR pot of dollars. (Unfortunately Utah's Shea Weber has multiple years remaining or his $7,857,143 cap hit would be a great target). Not sure if this is correct!

3. Kane clears training camp medical, starts season and sports hernia condition does not improve under game conditions. Oilers go on in season LTIR accumulating cap space while Kane is out. To be cap compliant following Broberg/Holloway signings, Oil need to waive bodies with Josh Brown's poison pill 3 year $1 million per year deal one contract (conveniently front weighted with $1,025,000 first season). Other body(ies) as required from fringe roster players.

Under Jackson's new management more attune with modern practices and innovation leveraged by recent Cup champions, Kane's reality has always opened the door to LTIR within this critical window season. Josh Brown's 3 year deal suddenly makes more sense to me when considering the LTIR wildcard available to potentially play with Kane.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Bonus points to Evander Kane waiting all summer to get the surgery, lol.

Absolutely.

What are the odds on this being the proverbial straw that breaks the camels back with how teams use LTIR to "circumvent" the cap.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I am not even annoyed at the idea of Kane not wanting even look at waiting his nmc.

It is nice to be a Canadian team that players want to stay in, especially one that has left a few markets including a Canadian one. Players wanting to stay is a good problem over no one wanting to come

I agree. After everyone from Nylander to Heatley, even up to more recent players like Markstrom deciding that Edmonton isn't a "good fit", and being stuck with the Milan Lucic's and Sheldon Souray's of the world (good players that didn't work out for one reason or another), it's nice to have guys come here and want to stay here and play here.

 

[K1984]

There has always been 3 prospective scenarios for Kane. Not sure I completely understand LTIR but think it's always been the likely scenario for Kane (and the team):

1. Healthy and able to play the 2024-25 season. Questionable with an injury that tends to require surgery over rest and recover. And a warrior player whose condition worsened through Cup playoffs to point he couldn't dress in the most important hockey games of his career.

2. Kane goes on pre-season LTIR locking in Oiler LTIR bucks with his salary cap $5,125,000 minus overages for Broberg, Holloway salaries. The Oiler propagandist was also sewing seeds that Kane may also have shoulder issues so there's public cover regarding Kane to LTIR. This scenario would make sense to try to deal for an expiring LTIR contract, if available, to further grow the fixed LTIR pot of dollars. (Unfortunately Utah's Shea Weber has multiple years remaining or his $7,857,143 cap hit would be a great target). Not sure if this is correct!

3. Kane clears training camp medical, starts season and sports hernia condition does not improve under game conditions. Oilers go on in season LTIR accumulating cap space while Kane is out. To be cap compliant following Broberg/Holloway signings, Oil need to waive bodies with Josh Brown's poison pill 3 year $1 million per year deal one contract (conveniently front weighted with $1,025,000 first season). Other body(ies) as required from fringe roster players.

Under Jackson's new management more attune with modern practices and innovation leveraged by recent Cup champions, Kane's reality has always opened the door to LTIR within this critical window season. Josh Brown's 3 year deal suddenly makes more sense to me when considering the LTIR wildcard available to potentially play with Kane.

As far as the ability to accrue space goes, does he have to have cleared the medical for that to be a possibility, or simply to be on the opening day roster (that is also cap compliant) to give this ability? I thought that simply having him on a cap compliant roster was enough, but didn't consider the physical.

I know that there is a path to having him on the opening day roster in order to accrue his LTIR $, but it is complicated and likely involves risky waiver moves. Another way to help is to simply not sign Borberg and Holloway until the first day of the season removing their hits entirely, but for those two it is probably critical that they get a strong camp in. They would probably have to agree to play pre-season without a contract, which opens a whole other can of worms that one or another might simply just not agree to.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

As far as the ability to accrue space goes, does he have to have cleared the medical for that to be a possibility, or simply to be on the opening day roster (that is also cap compliant) to give this ability? I thought that simply having him on a cap compliant roster was enough, but didn't consider the physical.

I know that there is a path to having him on the opening day roster in order to accrue his LTIR $, but it is complicated and likely involves risky waiver moves. Another way to help is to simply not sign Borberg and Holloway until the first day of the season removing their hits entirely, but for those two it is probably critical that they get a strong camp in. They would probably have to agree to play pre-season without a contract, which opens a whole other can of worms that one or another might simply just not agree to.

I'm a poor person to be delving into LTIR with the nuances involved. Out of my depth with what I posted and likely wrong on some details. But three scenarios with Kane.

I do think Kane would have to clear the training camp medical to be deemed eligible to play. He's shown ability to play hurt with the sports hernia and two months recovery time provides a window for recovery without surgery. I can imagine any player likely wants to avoid surgery if at all possible. I also doubt Kane himself would be willing to be a compliant, passive dupe in this.

I've long thought he would most likely go LTIR once the roster was baked in and regular season starting. After he tests recovery without surgery. Josh Brown's 3 year contract is an easy contract to waive with no one picking up this guy with a 3 year commitment. So finding other(s) like Ryan who could likely threaten retirement if picked up on waivers if anyone even showed interest in an old, bottom roster role player. I don't think there is much waiver claim concern.

Broberg and Holloway will be signed and in camp. Neither can afford to holdout either development wise or financially.

In season accruing LTIR space seems most likely to me.

 

[jukon]

I wonder how much of the LTIR talk is about us trying to trade a defenseman and other teams thinking were have no choice but to unload a player.

No, we have other options.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Huge difference between jogging and hanging out at the pool and competing in an NHL game.

Meh. Not really. Not in this case.

The LTIR talk started when Jackson went over the cap. Dude is being made a scapegoat imo or the org is done with him.

There is alot more recovery time till cap compliance day. He's out being active yet somehow he won't be ready to start the season? I don't buy it one bit.
Yakupov was out months w/ a high ankle sprain, which they say an onjury that takes the longest to heal. Leon played on one into the summer and still made the start the next season.
But Kane needs months to recover despite ppl seeing him out lookin normal?
Somethin is up

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Feel like there is a real disconnect between Kane and the org. Stauffer carrying water for mgmt saying he is going on LTIR while all others saying he is good t go for camp.

Who else has said he’s going to be good for camp besides the two mutts?

Has Kane himself said he’s going to be ready to go for camp?


I don’t think they’re going to come right out and say “he needs surgery but we’re going to put it off until right before the season starts” the league probably wouldn’t like that very much. So they go with the keeping up appearances storyline “second opinions and seeing specialists” and everyone just says they expect him to be ready for the start of the year.

 

[McDNicks17]

I feel like Jackson has known about this for quite some time.

Have to think there would have been a lot more urgency on his part to get cap compliant if he didn't.

 

[McShogun99]

Meh. Not really. Not in this case.

The LTIR talk started when Jackson went over the cap. Dude is being made a scapegoat imo or the org is done with him.

There is alot more recovery time till cap compliance day. He's out being active yet somehow he won't be ready to start the season? I don't buy it one bit.
Yakupov was out months w/ a high ankle sprain, which they say an onjury that takes the longest to heal. Leon played on one into the summer and still made the start the next season.
But Kane needs months to recover despite ppl seeing him out lookin normal?
Somethin is up

Just because a player is to injured to play a sport at the highest level it doesn’t mean they have to be bed ridden the entire time. You can still be injured and be active. He’s just too injured to play at an NHL level. Even being 10 percent less at the pro level is a huge detriment. I’d bet Stone, Kucherov and numerous other players that went on LTIR were still going swimming, golfing etc.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Meh. Not really. Not in this case.

The LTIR talk started when Jackson went over the cap. Dude is being made a scapegoat imo or the org is done with him.

There is alot more recovery time till cap compliance day. He's out being active yet somehow he won't be ready to start the season? I don't buy it one bit.
Yakupov was out months w/ a high ankle sprain, which they say an onjury that takes the longest to heal. Leon played on one into the summer and still made the start the next season.
But Kane needs months to recover despite ppl seeing him out lookin normal?
Somethin is up

How so? Either he isn't healthy, in which case he needs time to get healthy, or he is healthy and he agreed to go on LTIR. Neither scenario spells out that the org is done with him.

 

[oobga]

I know many dislike the Bowman move, but maybe he is finally a guy that will skirt the rules to the max for us. If he can get Kane on board for a full season recovery that caps off with full contact practice for 1-2 months before game 1 of the playoffs (mirror of what Stone and Kuch did), we put ourselves in a pretty nice spot to complete the roster.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I feel like Jackson has known about this for quite some time.

Have to think there would have been a lot more urgency on his part to get cap compliant if he didn't.

Exactly. Seems like this was always the plan but they can’t exactly announce that fact.

I’m guessing that Kane is probably on board but even if he doesn’t want surgery at all, I’m sure Jackson is pretty confident he’ll be able to ltir him regardless. I mean if Jackson goes to the team doctor and asks “given his injury is he more likely to re-injure himself if he doesn’t get surgery” if the team doctors answer is yes, is that enough to ltir him if he won’t have surgery?

 

[badi]

A healthy Evander Kane could turn a playoff run into a Stanley Cup
The guy has not been himself for 2 years
There is not many better power forward when he is ON

 

[Oilhawks]

I know many dislike the Bowman move, but maybe he is finally a guy that will skirt the rules to the max for us. If he can get Kane on board for a full season recovery that caps off with full contact practice for 1-2 months before game 1 of the playoffs (mirror of what Stone and Kuch did), we put ourselves in a pretty nice spot to complete the roster.

Yup

Bowman, of course, is no stranger to LTIR shenanigans meta of the league since he arguably kicked it all off with (another) Kane. Time is a flat circle

 

[Soundwave]

I don't really know how much of this is Bowman anyway, seems like it was pretty much set in stone with the Oiler moves in July. The minute they signed Henrique it became pretty obvious.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Can the team take him off ltir at any time or once they put him on they can’t take him off until they’re ready to activate him?

if at some point in the first couple months they feel comfortable trading Ceci. Could they then take Kane off LTIR so they could once again accrue cap space?

 

[Soundwave]

Can the team take him off ltir at any time or once they put him on they can’t take him off until they’re ready to activate him?

if at some point in the first couple months they feel comfortable trading Ceci. Could they then take Kane off LTIR so they could once again accrue cap space?

I think we can accrue cap space by submitting Kane on a 20 man roster on day 1 and then putting him on LTIR immediately afterwards. If you send down Josh Brown, Corey Perry, and I think one other player on a 20 man roster that's enough to have Holloway, Broberg, and Kane.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I think we can accrue cap space by submitting Kane on a 20 man roster on day 1 and then putting him on LTIR immediately afterwards. If you send down Josh Brown, Corey Perry, and I think one other player on a 20 man roster that's enough to have Holloway, Broberg, and Kane.

That would be great if they could do that but I’m not sure if that’s the case. I think any time you are in LTIR you can’t accrue cap.

I could be completely wrong about this, but I think trying to make everything fit day one then putting on ltir has to do with maximizing ltir pool and or something to do with the bonus pool.

 

[Zerotonine]

tweeted that Kane was ready to play in addition to the broberg/Holloway and Drai contracts

Yeah thanks i found the tweet, they also say drai wants 14 plus a year lol. But could sign for less to stay in edmonton

 

[Zerotonine]

That idiot David Staples is posting pics of Kane at a swimming pool with his kids questioning how he can go on LTIR. what a POS.

Wonder if he posted pics of stone golfing when he was om LTIR Before vegas cup run

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

Problem is with surgery this is closer to a 6 month recovery window vs. a month or 2.

I'd guess this is the main reason why he didn't opt for surgery this year. If he was told in December that he wouldn't be able to play until June and would likely miss the playoffs, I can see why him and the team would hesitate on taking that option.


Now the Oil and Kane get to choose their timeline. One that aligns with a late March / early April comeback and lets him take on a 2 week conditioning stint in Bakersfield right at the end of the season without issue.

Fair. I don't know much about the injury and surgery/recovery process. I just want Kane playing and ready for playoff hockey prior. Given he's such a streaky player, I feel him seeing regular season games is most beneficial to him being an effective player when it matters most.