Proposal: Evander Kane to Edmonton

[Sniped90]

You might get Watson & MDZ for Kassian.... if you want Zub, though, you're putting Bouchard on the table.

didnt even say zub and watson for kassian i really meant a deal involving all 3 players. but i mean if you want bouch for zub you might as well add tkachuk and stutzle on your end if you want to be ridiculous

 

[Sniped90]

No thanks. We're not retaining 50% on Kane and taking back two useless cap dumps to a divisional opponent, especially when we are in playoff contention.

lol you think you are in playoff contention? that would mean you are in a wildcard spot at the very least sure youre one pt out of it but once vegas gets going again and honestly dallas has a better opportunity to make it over sjs

 

[Sniped90]

I know this is a Kane to Edm thread, but I like the way you threw this deal in there. Kassian for Zub and Watson. You either know nothing of Zub, or thought you could sneak this in because Sens fans aren't in a SJ and Edm thread, but that is brutal for the Sens. Zub has been ther best RHD for 2 seasons, signed for $2.5 AAV - if you want to attach Kassian to the deal, be prepared to include a prospect you don't want to lose.

i didnt mean to get both for just kassian ffs more less a deal around the 3 players

 

[Jerkbait]

Nobody will take Kane he's buyout material and gone from NHL. He is not worth the drama and possible legal issues.

Wrong. Kane will play in the NHL again this season.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Wrong. Kane will play in the NHL again this season.

Not sure Kane himself would take that bet . Who knows but I wouldn't want him on my team and if rumors true Sharks players wanted him gone.

 

[BinCookin]

Kane threads are impossible.

Guy is an amazing hockey player, highly paid for 4 more years (Good luck finding retention beyond 50%).

Guy is also a horrible person (?), damaged goods, no one wants him on the team...

What's his value? WTH knows.

Even speculating on what happens with Kane seems like a fool's errand. No one can see where this is going. I feel a contract buyout a la DeAngelo is about to happen. Then a new team will sign him to a 1 year deal.

I don't see anyone having interest in 4 years on Kane even at half price (for fear of team cancer).

And I say this as a big fantasy hockey fan where E. Kane was money in the bank for me for many years.
I see contract buyout or contract termination as most likely.

 

[Jerkbait]

Not sure Kane himself would take that bet . Who knows but I wouldn't want him on my team and if rumors true Sharks players wanted him gone.

This isn't hard. Capable player who had a great year, can play physical and score goals . Thats the good. We all know the other side. There will be teams that will make a pitch for sure and we already know a least one eastern conference team maybe 2 had made inquiries. There is little doubt kane will play this season somewhere other than the shark tank

 

[Pinkfloyd]

lol you think you are in playoff contention? that would mean you are in a wildcard spot at the very least sure youre one pt out of it but once vegas gets going again and honestly dallas has a better opportunity to make it over sjs

Um...Vegas is already ahead of them and they have the same amount of points as Nashville who is in the 2nd wild card spot with a game in hand. The Sharks have also played a whopping two divisional games all year and won them both against Calgary. You can believe they're pretenders but by any reasonable metric, they are absolutely in playoff contention.

 

[OG Eberle]

Zub is Ottawa's top pairing RHD and a legit 2/3DMan making pennis.

I realize Edmonton would never do that deal, but it's the lowest price they would get Zub for. No interest in trading him for a winger or wing prospect... no interest in trading him for picks... no interest in trading him for anything but a cost-controlled top 4 RHD or top 6 C.

I love typos like this.

Best part is it means the same either way

 

[Killer Orcas]

This isn't hard. Capable player who had a great year, can play physical and score goals . Thats the good. We all know the other side. There will be teams that will make a pitch for sure and we already know a least one eastern conference team maybe 2 had made inquiries. There is little doubt kane will play this season somewhere other than the shark tank

Well it's probably harder than you think or it would already be done. I get what your saying and normally I'd agree but in today's world I think teams will take a second look if said player is worth the headache and bad publicity. To me no he's not worth adding but like you said some teams have inquired about him already.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

didnt even say zub and watson for kassian i really meant a deal involving all 3 players. but i mean if you want bouch for zub you might as well add tkachuk and stutzle on your end if you want to be ridiculous

There is nothing less than Bouchard that would be worth trading Zub for. I have no doubt you wouldn't trade Bouchard for Zub, and I have nou doubt that Ottawa wouldn't be interested in other pieces from Edmonton for him. Yamomoto, 1st, Broberg, Bourgault, etc don't move the needle. Kassian is a throw-in in a trade for Zub.

Zub is one of the top 5 DMen Ottawa has had in, I dunno, maybe 10 years? You would be hard-pressed to find a Sens fan who wouldn't love to go back in time and sign him to a 8 x 6m deal.

Here's the long & short:

If Zub was to be dealt, Edmonton wouldn't be able to put together an offer that was both competitive & reasonable/sensical for them to offer.

I love typos like this.

Best part is it means the same either way

Who am I to judge him for what currency he wants to be paid in?

 

[CanadienShark]

If hertl is wanting to leave why not acquire him as well? Then put nuge on the 3rd to have 2 2nd lines? Also kanes negative value should give us a break on acquiring hertl. Not only that id rather trade kassian to another team that isnt even in the same conference. Maybe to ott and get Watson and zub.
Drai-mcdavid-jp
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Foegale-nuge-watson
Shore/benson-mcleod-ryan
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Smith/skinner

No. We will not give a discount on Hertl nor will we pay you to take Kane.

 

[Boondock]

i didnt mean to get both for just kassian ffs more less a deal around the 3 players

Well when Zub is worth 6x any of the other 2 players mentioned that is an important distinction. A $2.5 for this year and next 26 yr old top 4 stay at home RHD is worth a lot. Players like Kassian are not even in the discussion.

 

[TFHockey]

No. We will not give a discount on Hertl nor will we pay you to take Kane.

If you don't pay someone to take Kane you have two other options:

Retention to make the contract somewhat palatable to another club

or

A buyout.

Don't kid yourself, Kane is the worst contract in the league by quite a large margin. His skill isn't in question. Everything else is.

 

[Pavelski2112]

If you don't pay someone to take Kane you have two other options:

Retention to make the contract somewhat palatable to another club

or

A buyout.

Don't kid yourself, Kane is the worst contract in the league by quite a large margin. His skill isn't in question. Everything else is.

Option three: Do exactly what they're doing now and bury him in the minors to save a mil.

The Sharks really don't have to do anything else right now if they don't want to.

 

[CanadienShark]

If you don't pay someone to take Kane you have two other options:

Retention to make the contract somewhat palatable to another club

or

A buyout.

Don't kid yourself, Kane is the worst contract in the league by quite a large margin. His skill isn't in question. Everything else is.

Either of those options are better than giving up Hertl at a discount or paying a high price on top of retention. I'm all for just letting him sit and rot. Don't think you'll get 2/3 of a 1st line for nothing.

 

[Nolan11]

only half the caphit of a player can be retained during the course of a full season. He still has 3 more years after this one, the reason why it only happened twice since the cap was introduced and both time at the NHL TDL (more than half of caphit eaten up by the team)... so not possible (IE: D. Savard trade & M. Janmark trade)

As for OP... talent-wise it might work but I'm not entirely sure that the Oilers administration want to take the risk on E. Kane

You are not the only person I saw mention this, but I honestly cannot find where you are referencing it. I looked through the two articles you linked, but no mention of that limitation on the 2nd retention. I did find the following, which also doesnt mention it:
Retained Salary | Puckpedia

Can you please provide a link to the clause in the CBA?

 

[Jerkbait]

Well it's probably harder than you think or it would already be done. I get what your saying and normally I'd agree but in today's world I think teams will take a second look if said player is worth the headache and bad publicity. To me no he's not worth adding but like you said some teams have inquired about him already.

Nobody said it was going to be easy but its quite likely. It's going to take some creativity and some interesting media relations. My guess its a east coast team not in New York and in a playoff spot now

 

[TFHockey]

Either of those options are better than giving up Hertl at a discount or paying a high price on top of retention. I'm all for just letting him sit and rot. Don't think you'll get 2/3 of a 1st line for nothing.

My proposal did not include any reference to Hertl.

 

[Sniped90]

Um...Vegas is already ahead of them and they have the same amount of points as Nashville who is in the 2nd wild card spot with a game in hand. The Sharks have also played a whopping two divisional games all year and won them both against Calgary. You can believe they're pretenders but by any reasonable metric, they are absolutely in playoff contention.

my whole point is that if sjs wants to get into a playoff position rn they have to battle vegas nash and dallas for a spot and dallas had 3-4 games in hand when i wrote that. so my whole thing is that if you think sharks are making the playoffs this year they have a long ways to go especially the 3 teams that theyre battling for a spot.

 

[Sniped90]

Either of those options are better than giving up Hertl at a discount or paying a high price on top of retention. I'm all for just letting him sit and rot. Don't think you'll get 2/3 of a 1st line for nothing.

never said we would get hertl for nothing, im just saying for example if hertl cost a team 4-5 assets to acquire then if they took kane at 50% then they would only need to pay 3-4 assets kinda thing. but either way sounds like hertl doesnt want kane on the team anyways otherwise hes walking so i mean it wouldnt work out anyways. also as much as id like to have hertl his next contract is probably going to be to much for the oilers anyways so it would be pure rental if anything. and as much as most people will disagree with me kane is someone oilers need on rw, yamo isnt a 2nd line rw majority of the time and jp has pretty well solidified 1st as long as he can snap out of the funk hes in scoring wise. and lets be real rumors of kessel coming to edm are cringe. his plus minus is horrible and is just getting older and slower. need to start off with getting rid of kosk and getting someone liek maf or quick or bishop.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Don't kid yourself, Kane is the worst contract in the league by quite a large margin. His skill isn't in question. Everything else is.

Is he even the worst contract on our team tho???

 

[TFHockey]

Is he even the worst contract on our team tho???

I... can't answer that. I'll leave that to Shark fans. I see him as the worst because of everything that goes outside of scoring in the NHL. Still, if Delangelo can get a contract like "that" and thrive in another market so can Kane.

He'd be a huge headache gone and in this scenario Kassian would be a much better addition to your team. Turris is done at the end of the year so no biggie.

Sharks spend some money and cap space to get rid of Kane but keep all of their picks and other assets. The Oilers take on a great goal scorer and, let's face it, a ton of risk.

 

[Jets4Life]

Do it.

If only since I am a displaced Jets fan, currently living in Edmonton. I would love to follow this train-wreck from the city I reside.

 

[Jets4Life]

He basically has negative value now more like turris and a 7th for kane at 50 percent retention

Precisely.

This reminds me of when the Jets had to unload Steve Mason's contract, as he didn't work out in Winnipeg. The Jets had to give up Joel Armia in addition to Mason, in exchange for Montreal's 7th round draft pick.

The Sharks will likely have to give up a first round draft pick AND Evander Kane, in order to trade him.