Player Discussion Evander Kane - Part 4

[Sabreality]

If Kane was sincerely interested in staying in Buffalo he'd let Botterill know. Unless his girlfriend is a Buffalo girl I don't think there's anything here to interest him much when he will have the opportunity to play on the West Coast. I'd be shocked if Vancouver doesn't make him an offer.

well she is, but I doubt she'd be upset with moving if he puts a ring on it.

 

[Chainshot]

Bob thinks Kane makes sense for Calgary per the Leaf-Blues intermission. However he said that their GM likely won’t pay rental prices.

 

[joshjull]

 

[1972]

If we don’t get a first or a top prospect I’m gonna be pissed...

 

[joshjull]

If we don’t get a first I’m gonna be pissed...

Its just a dance right now. Sellers get it out there the high end of what they're asking for. Possible suitors say they're not interested in paying that much. Then things heat up at the deadline after the first trade goes down.

 

[Chainshot]

Four pieces -- 1st, prospect of some stripe, weak-assed roster player to play out the string in Buffalo, conditional pick if the acquiring team signs him.

 

[joshjull]

Four pieces -- 1st, prospect of some stripe, weak-assed roster player to play out the string in Buffalo, conditional pick if the acquiring team signs him.

 

[Chainshot]

I don't get how people think this is a lot or some huge ask. Conditional re-signing picks aren't usually much if going on recent deals is any indication. Hey, an extra 3rd or 4th might help corner the market on re-drafts and possible over-agers that is key to my concept of how they take over the world... but I don't get the kerfuffle of some responses.

If it turns out to be more than that, hey, great.

 

[Yatzhee]

I don't get how people think this is a lot or some huge ask. Conditional re-signing picks aren't usually much if going on recent deals is any indication. Hey, an extra 3rd or 4th might help corner the market on re-drafts and possible over-agers that is key to my concept of how they take over the world... but I don't get the kerfuffle of some responses.

If it turns out to be more than that, hey, great.

Agreed.
I really would prefer Calgary.
I don't think Pittsburgh has the ammo.
I'm sure there are a few others.

But for Kane, even as a UFA, I fully expect that prospect to be A-/B+.

 

[truthbluth]

I don't why, but I'm getting the feeling that Kane is going to return something like what Vanek got at the dealine. A 2nd and a meh prospect. f*** Tim Murray and his destructive hubris.

 

[Chainshot]

My only hope is that Botts isn't doing Rutherford any favors in a deal. This is an opportunity to shift pieces toward a future and accomplish further roster shaping. That can't be something influenced by the friend zone.

 

[hizzoner]

It is the proverbial game of chicken. Sabres are going nowhere and need whatever Kane will bring. Nobody who is a likely lottery contender is likely to have the pieces /and or the will to trade for a rental. All trite stuff so far. To toss in another metaphor we do not want to end up standing in this nhl trade game musical chairs. Any trade has to look like a good deal to the other team and a lot of posters think Botts can stiff them. I do not think he can and in the long run he wants a deal both teams can live with. No almost ready top 6 F or top 4 D is coming back in the trade never mind extra pieces---not in this cap age. If we get a late first this year and a second next year that would be good. If we had to help that team with retained salary and a possible cap dump for one year so that team can clear more cap space to get more help for a playoff run then we can look for more. No more TM antics buying high and then reversing course not being able to sell for even peanuts at last year's deadline.

 

[pigpen65]

Better be an insane return for both Kane and Lehner. Only thing that justifies keeping the rubbish around this year is some crazy return. Unfortunately I don't see that happening. Botts made a huge mistake.

 

[paulmm3]

Kane should get at least a first. Whoever trades for him is only trading for 35 games plus playoffs until he's a free agent so I don't think we can expect the return to be too out of this world.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

No one gets two high end assets for a rental...

Yeah, I'm hoping Botts can throw in something extra to make a deal like that happen...not that I'm counting on it.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

Botts trade for a solid top 4 defensive prospect and a 1st even if we have to throw in the 2nd to get there.
Time to fix this mess and start with the defense first. I am tired of losing.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[OkimLom]

I don't why, but I'm getting the feeling that Kane is going to return something like what Vanek got at the dealine. A 2nd and a meh prospect. **** Tim Murray and his destructive hubris.

So you're blaming Murray on YOUR own feeling and what you think Kane will get?

 

[truthbluth]

So you're blaming Murray on YOUR own feeling and what you think Kane will get?

That's one way to interpret it, if you feel like being obtuse and confrontational. OR, you could logically conclude that I blame Murray for the terrible trade for Kane in the first place. You could do that.

 

[OkimLom]

That's one way to interpret it, if you feel like being obtuse and confrontational. OR, you could logically conclude that I blame Murray for the terrible trade for Kane in the first place. You could do that.

Murray did a few things wrong, but this trade wasn't one of them. The purpose for acquiring Kane, is EXACTLY what we are seeing right now, a sought after asset, that the Sabres could use to acquire for good assets in the near future. You have to talent to build your talent.

 

[Ace]

Put him back with Eichel.

Enough with the "separate them" crowd. He stopped producing, like everyone does, away from Eichel.

Season is over. Pump up his stats.

 

[SundherDome]

That's one way to interpret it, if you feel like being obtuse and confrontational. OR, you could logically conclude that I blame Murray for the terrible trade for Kane in the first place. You could do that.

It wasn't a terrible trade, at all.

 

[joshjull]

 

[truthbluth]

Murray did a few things wrong, but this trade wasn't one of them. The purpose for acquiring Kane, is EXACTLY what we are seeing right now, a sought after asset, that the Sabres could use to acquire for good assets in the near future. You have to talent to build your talent.

Well, the way I see it is, Murray fell in love with players that he scouted as a scout. The Evander Kane trade was not a good use of assets, and up until the past 80 games or so, Kane was a pretty big disappointment. I don't think that anybody values Kane the way some on here do. Team chemistry is a really important component of a deep playoff run, and, while guys like Paul Guastad, Andrew Ladd, Martin Hanzal are inferior players, they are all also viewed pretty as reliable team guys with good character. Evander Kane, whether it's valid or not, does not have that reputation. More goes into it than just, "I have a feeling," but it's generally around the point that I don't think the Sabres will get good value out of Kane because he isn't the type of player that is typically sought after at the deadline. There a good chance the Sabres are going to be pretty disappointed with the return.

Also, I'm not sure I get your logic. You go get Kane so that you can speed up the rebuild. The general strategy of which is Murray's greatest failing. I know some posters are fond of pointing at not getting Babcock as the moment the rebuild failed, but at some point it's worth suggesting that the players aren't that great either. All on their own, the players just aren't that good. It's pretty hard to argue that the Sabres are in a better position now than they would have been if they had simply not made the Kane trade.

 

[Jame]

Hold firm Botts...