Player Discussion Evander Kane - Part 4

[Jame]

We need to be looking at teams that are near locked in to a playoff spot, and have legit cup potential... that's the team that's going to pay a 1st & Prospect for Kane.... not bubble teams, or playoff teams with very limited cup potential this year.

We spend too much time on a team like Carolina that really has no good reason to rent, when we should be looking at teams like Washington.

 

[Jame]

FOUR assets for Kane?

As he was talking about the asking price for big scorers like van Riemsdyk to Montreal's TSN Radio 690 on Tuesday, TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger revised what he reported last Friday regarding Buffalo's asking price for winger Evander Kane.

"If Buffalo gets a first (round pick), a prospect, a roster player and a conditional pick - which I was corrected on, frankly after I wrote that on Friday, they want a roster player in addition to the other three assets - for Evander Kane, a pending unrestricted free agent. If they get all that, or there's a belief they get all that, imagine what the Leafs might get for JVR, Bozak, Komarov or all three..." he said. "...but the 'own rental' philosophy is probably more likely given the Toronto Maple Leafs' position in the standings."

Botts learning as he goes... lol

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

FOUR assets for Kane?

As he was talking about the asking price for big scorers like van Riemsdyk to Montreal's TSN Radio 690 on Tuesday, TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger revised what he reported last Friday regarding Buffalo's asking price for winger Evander Kane.

"If Buffalo gets a first (round pick), a prospect, a roster player and a conditional pick - which I was corrected on, frankly after I wrote that on Friday, they want a roster player in addition to the other three assets - for Evander Kane, a pending unrestricted free agent. If they get all that, or there's a belief they get all that, imagine what the Leafs might get for JVR, Bozak, Komarov or all three..." he said. "...but the 'own rental' philosophy is probably more likely given the Toronto Maple Leafs' position in the standings."

Dreger talking crap, no team will give all that up for Evander Kane. We are not talking about Malkin here, but good old Evander Kane...

Edit: it stands even if one of the picks is conditional. Roster player, prospect and a 1st is A LOT for a rental with some issues even if he's a good hockey player.

 

[ihadtochangethename]

it almost seems like they dont want to give him up as much as they are asking. They are banking on another teams severe desperation. Wont be Pitt.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

it almost seems like they dont want to give him up as much as they are asking. They are banking on another teams severe desperation. Wont be Pitt.

There will be some desperate teams with so many teams gunning either for playoff spot or for the cup. Especially if someone gets hit by 1-2 long term injuries at wing.

 

[Jame]

Dreger talking crap, no team will give all that up for Evander Kane. We are not talking about Malkin here, but good old Evander Kane...

Dreger is saying he is getting this information directly....

Just recalibrate your reading of the components a little bit...

for Example:

Washington
1st - Likely very late
Prospect - Connor Hobbs (RD, 1st year AHL, dominated WHL last year)
Roster Player - Brett Connolly (Winger, signed next season at 1.5)
Conditional future 2nd - If Kane re-signs

 

[Zip15]

Dreger is saying he is getting this information directly....

Just recalibrate your reading of the components a little bit...

for Example:

Washington
1st - Likely very late
Prospect - Connor Hobbs (RD, 1st year AHL, dominated WHL last year)
Roster Player - Brett Connolly (Winger, signed next season at 1.5)
Conditional future 2nd - If Kane re-signs

I agree. I could see something similar with SJ.

1st rounder
Prospect - Jeremy Roy (RHD, puck mover, in AHL)
Roster Player - Boedker (two more years at $4m - overpayment, but warm body, fast, left shot, and may need to help them with salary if we're getting other assets)
Conditional Pick - Something like a conditional 3rd rounder.

 

[hizzoner]

If Botts gets either of those deals I will do handstands--well I will try and touch my toes...If we get a late first and anything else I would be happy.

 

[ZZamboni]

That return would be pretty sweet.

 

[Jame]

I agree. I could see something similar with SJ.

1st rounder
Prospect - Jeremy Roy (RHD, puck mover, in AHL)
Roster Player - Boedker (two more years at $4m - overpayment, but warm body, fast, left shot, and may need to help them with salary if we're getting other assets)
Conditional Pick - Something like a conditional 3rd rounder.

Exactly.... just because there are "4 pieces" doesn't mean the deal is going to be a crazy return. Jason Pominville, with term, returned 1st, 2nd, Larsson, Hackett.....

There are two rosters players in SJ I REALLY like. Danny O'reagan and Tim Heed.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

I agree. I could see something similar with SJ.

1st rounder
Prospect - Jeremy Roy (RHD, puck mover, in AHL)
Roster Player - Boedker (two more years at $4m - overpayment, but warm body, fast, left shot, and may need to help them with salary if we're getting other assets)
Conditional Pick - Something like a conditional 3rd rounder.

Too much for Kane IMO. Like way too much...people were doubting whether Kane could even return a 1st only 2 months ago and now he's getting 1st, good prospect, an OK roster player and a conditional. Quite unlikely.

 

[brian_griffin]

I like both those ideas.

Btw, I don’t think overpayment. A solid playoff team with a late 1st round pick. If they get upset and the pick is earlier, then the conditional 3rd or whatever goes away.
Gotta believe Kane extends/signs with with any team whose been Conf finalist the past couple seasons.

 

[brian_griffin]

I think some posters here underestimate the value of Kane never having played in the playoffs in 9 seasons. 26yo. 0.75ppg. Speed...
size...
effort...
He could be this year’s playoffs Kessel factor, only with the hot dog for a brain instead of the belly.

 

[Jame]

I think some posters here underestimate the value of Kane never having played in the playoffs in 9 seasons. 26yo. 0.75ppg. Speed...
size...
effort...
He could be this year’s playoffs Kessel factor, only with the hot dog for a brain instead of the belly.

winning post of the week

 

[brian_griffin]

winning post of the week

Glad you relish it...

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

I think some posters here underestimate the value of Kane never having played in the playoffs in 9 seasons. 26yo. 0.75ppg. Speed...
size...
effort...
He could be this year’s playoffs Kessel factor, only with the hot dog for a brain instead of the belly.

If we were good and in a cup run I wouldn't give up our 1st, Will Borgen, Zemgus Girgensons and a conditional 3rd for Kane. But that's just me.

 

[ihadtochangethename]

Dreger hates Evander, never ever has anything complementary to say, not even about his play.

 

[Jame]

If we were good and in a cup run I wouldn't give up our 1st, Will Borgen, Zemgus Girgensons and a conditional 3rd for Kane. But that's just me.

You were arguing a few months ago that we should sign him/pay him.... now you're arguing that you wouldn't give up tertiary assets on a contender for him to improve cup chances?

No consistency...

 

[1972]

I’m kinda looking at the Pominville deal as a baseline.

1st Rounder
Prospect (former 2nd round pick)
Conditional Pick
Depth Roster Player


I think the prospect will end up being a player drafted in the second round from 2015-2017. I personally hope Botterill targets the Bruins organization.

Vaakanainen
Frederick
Lindgren
Zboril
Senyshyn
Forsbacka-Karlsson
Lauzon
Donato
Bjork

They might go for it with a wide open eastern conference...

 

[brian_griffin]

If we were good and in a cup run I wouldn't give up our 1st, Will Borgen, Zemgus Girgensons and a conditional 3rd for Kane. But that's just me.

replace Zemgus with a cap dump like Moulson... more palatable to your hypothetical?

You just need a “bad value” depth player to make it more palatable IMO. Doesn’t need to be Moulson-esque bad, just worse value than Girgs.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

replace Zemgus with a cap dump like Moulson... more palatable to your hypothetical?

Well yes ... but I don't classify Moulson as "roster" player He is what you described him as - "cap dump". If we are getting on cap dump, I'd expect 1st+good prospect+conditional 2nd on cup win or re-signing or something like that. I n the SJ example Boedker is not a cap dump though, he's serviceable, albeit a little overpaid.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

We have cap space. Make a trade with a team taking on a cap dump and get us the 1st, top prospect and defenceman.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

FOUR assets for Kane?

As he was talking about the asking price for big scorers like van Riemsdyk to Montreal's TSN Radio 690 on Tuesday, TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger revised what he reported last Friday regarding Buffalo's asking price for winger Evander Kane.

"If Buffalo gets a first (round pick), a prospect, a roster player and a conditional pick - which I was corrected on, frankly after I wrote that on Friday, they want a roster player in addition to the other three assets - for Evander Kane, a pending unrestricted free agent. If they get all that, or there's a belief they get all that, imagine what the Leafs might get for JVR, Bozak, Komarov or all three..." he said. "...but the 'own rental' philosophy is probably more likely given the Toronto Maple Leafs' position in the standings."

Kane has more value than Bozak or JVR

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I'd rather get two high end assets than four pieces of meh. I mean a D-man prospect ready to step into a top-four role. If that was the only return I'd be happy, but if it's a slightly lesser D-man prospect and a mid 1st that would still be better than what Buffalo will get from four pieces.

 

[Jame]

Well yes ... but I don't classify Moulson as "roster" player He is what you described him as - "cap dump". If we are getting on cap dump, I'd expect 1st+good prospect+conditional 2nd on cup win or re-signing or something like that. I n the SJ example Boedker is not a cap dump though, he's serviceable, albeit a little overpaid.

What would you call a 4 million dollar bottom 6 player, who plays 12 minutes a night.... who is on pace for ~20 points this season, after scoring a mere 26 points last year...

That player is a cap dump... now, he may not be the type of cap dump that you'd have to pay to get off your books (ala Moulson), but let's not pretend he holds much value in the deal.

Boedker is a useful roster player... but not a significant component of value in the deal. You said it yourself, he's a serviceable, but overpaid player... but somehow you've equated that to Buffalo getting wayyyy too much back in trade