Player Discussion Evan Bouchard

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Robbing Peter to pay Paul is not the way to do it.


Nurse has not earned the benefit of the doubt this year. Nurse/Ceci consistently is on the wrong side of the puck. He's getting paid to elevate his partner and he's clearly not doing that.

Again, Bouchard has one bad game after having a really strong playoffs and people want to ship him out.
How is Nurse even a comparable or a factor in Bouchard discussion.. Nurse's play doesn't effect Bouchard's next contract or his current play
There is a big difference in him being worth 8M+ and getting shipped out. These are just the 2 extreme...the truth is in the middle somewhere.
 

Trafalgar Sadge Law

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You've been two decades in waiting for Evan Bouchard?

There are other defenceman in this league that can break out the puck, shoot and pass just as efficiently or better than Bouchard and play defence on top of that.

Imagine another defenceman playing on the number one power play in the league while playing with determination and tenacity in other crucial areas of the game if you can.

There are many players that could be helping this club to a greater extent than Bouchard.

And for your constant barrage of criticism on Nurse just imagine Bouchard trying to hold down his responsibilities. Yikes.


Bouchard has lots of flaws so don't say +/- is misleading or a useless statistic then use it as a positive for Bouchard. And who on Bouchard's pairing is more accountable for that rating? Maybe Keith, Ekholm and Nurse.

And give it a rest with your Robidas Island scenario for Jack Campbell because it's never going to happen.
Guess what? Those "other defensemen in these league" who are just as efficient as Bouchard offensively and play good defense are guys like Cale Makar, Adam Fox, Miro Heiskanen, and Rasmus Dahlin and none of them will ever play for the Oilers.

You're the one that brought up +/- to slander Bouchard, not me. Also lmfao at suggesting that Duncan Keith of all players is responsible for Bouchard's +/-.
 

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It's not about Nurse needing a partner but more about Oilers needing a top 4 RD.

Oilers have none at the moment. Ekholm-Nurse would be a legit top pairing but then we would have nothing left elsewhere.
I think the point I was trying to make is that if Nurse was as good as Ekholm then he would be making his D partner better. Nurse doesnt do that.
Nurse needs a player of Ekholms caliber so that he is a better dman.
 

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Guess what? Those "other defensemen in these league" who are just as efficient as Bouchard offensively and play good defense are guys like Cale Makar, Adam Fox, Miro Heiskanen, and Rasmus Dahlin and none of them will ever play for the Oilers.

You're the one that brought up +/- to slander Bouchard, not me. Also lmfao at suggesting that Duncan Keith of all players is responsible for Bouchard's +/-.
You're correct about Bouchard, somewhat. A good career comparable is Keith Yandle. That's essentially who Bouchard is and that is what should be expected from him.

In 1109 regular season games played Yandle has 619 points. In another 58 playoff games he has a very respectable 36 points.

And he never had Connor McDavid or Leon Draisaitl passing him the puck on a platter. If he did Yandle would have scored 65 points a season like clockwork. But he's not worth 7-8 million in today's assessment of the player considering the Cap implications in my mind.

I'm not a huge fan of the offensive dynamo defenceman in general. The strictly attacking defenceman is overrated and overpaid in my opinion. Nice if you have them but not much more critical to team success than that of a star attacking winger. Less impactful than a star center.

I like big defenseman who control the backend out, and move the play like Victor Hedman. Hedman as the ultimate physically dominating defensive and offensive prototype.

I'd still trade Bouchard for Ivan Provorov. And if Philadelphia was wise they'd strongly consider that trade.

I'd be interested to hear how more reasonable fans, of not only the Oilers but other clubs, rate Bouchard. Not as highly as you do I'm certain.

Actually this offseason is the perfect time to trade Bouchard. ELC contract finished with his new club free to negotiate the terms. More importantly, with his playoff statistics driven from the pp fresh in everyone's memory.
 
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You're correct about Bouchard, somewhat. A good career comparable is Keith Yandle. That's essentially who Bouchard is and that is what should be expected from him.

In 1109 regular season games played Yandle has 619 points. In another 58 playoff games he has a very respectable 36 points.

And he never had Connor McDavid or Leon Draisaitl passing him the puck on a platter. If he did Yandle would have scored 65 points a season like clockwork. But he's not worth 7-8 million in today's assessment of the player considering the Cap implications in my mind.

I'm not a huge fan of the offensive dynamo defenceman in general. The strictly attacking defenceman is overrated and overpaid in my opinion. Nice if you have them but not much more critical to team success than that of a star attacking winger. Less impactful than a star center.

I like big defenseman who control the backend out, and move the play like Victor Hedman. Hedman as the ultimate physically dominating defensive and offensive prototype.

I'd still trade Bouchard for Ivan Provorov. And if Philadelphia was wise they'd strongly consider that trade.

I'd be interested to hear how more reasonable fans, of not only the Oilers but other clubs, rate Bouchard. Not as highly as you do I'm certain.

Actually this offseason is the perfect time to trade Bouchard. ELC contract finished with his new club free to negotiate the terms. More importantly, with his playoff statistics driven from the pp fresh in everyone's memory.
LOL. I'm a Flyers fan and can totally say your comparison to Yandle is totally stupid, and trading Bouchard for Provorov is even dumber if you think it makes this team better

You literally have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to either player
 
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LOL. I'm a Flyers fan and can totally say your comparison to Yandle is totally stupid, and trading Bouchard for Provorov is even dumber if you think it makes this team better

You literally have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to either player
Do you realize Keith Yandle played only one season in Philadelphia and it was his 16th and final season in the NHL? He retired, he didn't even play this season. The 2021-22 season was his last year. Did you know that, Bobby? info for bobby
 
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I think the point I was trying to make is that if Nurse was as good as Ekholm then he would be making his D partner better. Nurse doesnt do that.
Nurse needs a player of Ekholms caliber so that he is a better dman.
The ability to make your partner better isn't the end all. Desharnais would make Nemo or Broberg look better than Bouchard. It doesn't mean Desharnais is better than Bouchard.

Agree with the 2nd part. Nurse needs a D partner that can handle top 3 minutes and is steady defensively. Ekholm is just that.

Ceci can handle 2nd pairing minutes on his own. Bouchard can't yet and requires someone like Ekholm.
 

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Do you realize Keith Yandle played only one season in Philadelphia and it was his 16th and final season in the NHL? He retired, he didn't even play this season. The 2021-22 season was his last year. Did you know that, Bobby? info for bobby
Ya, the guy Arizona traded and ate half his salary. The guy that has the iron man streak cuz he avoided contact or blocking a shot at all costs

While their skill for offense is comparable, Bouchard actually goes into corners and battles for pucks and uses his body. Yandle was notorious for only being good at the pp and avoiding playing a physical game
 

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I think the point I was trying to make is that if Nurse was as good as Ekholm then he would be making his D partner better. Nurse doesnt do that.
Nurse needs a player of Ekholms caliber so that he is a better dman.

To be fair, when Nurse was in a similar situation to Ekholm’s current one, his d partner led the all blueliners in points.


And its not like Barrie is some elite talent. He was railroaded out of Toronto for good reason, and Nurse managed to make him passable at evens vs. any competition. Very similar to what Ekholm’s done for Bouchard.
 

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Kid's been on a meteoric rise. This is the player we hoped he would become on draft day. He was a gamer last year in the playoffs as well. Unreal young defenseman.
 
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guymez

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To be fair, when Nurse was in a similar situation to Ekholm’s current one, his d partner led the all blueliners in points.


And its not like Barrie is some elite talent. He was railroaded out of Toronto for good reason, and Nurse managed to make him passable at evens vs. any competition. Very similar to what Ekholm’s done for Bouchard.
Not really similar at all.
Barries game didnt change much at all after his D partner changed so its not like Nurse was the reason for that.
Also...Barrie was a finished product (a vet player) when he was paired with Nurse.
Nurse didnt have to babysit.

Ekholm was being paired with rookie dmen in Nashville because his game is so solid and reliable .

Nurses game is not solid and reliable...its all over the map. Could be good one game...not so good the next. The opposite of Ekholm when it comes to reliability.
 

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Anyone trying to trade Bouchard should get banned.
So trading him for Provorov is a bad idea?
Like sticking your Willy in a vice bad idea.

The good, Bouchard scored a goal on the pp.

The bad, William Carrier (#28) skated right through Bouchard's blueline check like he wasn't there. Carrier skated in unobstructed, and set up Nicolas Roy for the Golden Knights only goal. That goal shouldn't have happened.

You don't pay top dollar in the NHL for plays like that.
 

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The good, Bouchard scored a goal on the pp.

The bad, William Carrier (#28) skated right through Bouchard's blueline check like he wasn't there. Carrier skated in unobstructed, and set up Nicolas Roy for the Golden Knights only goal. That goal shouldn't have happened.

You don't pay top dollar in the NHL for plays like that.
You're a special kind of wrong on here, and that's fine. I'm not sure why you've decided to be so miserable, but you don't have to try and make us that way, we have better things to do.
 

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Breaking news. NHL defenseman doesn't play a 100% perfect game. Stay tuned for more ground breaking details...
 

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The ability to make your partner better isn't the end all. Desharnais would make Nemo or Broberg look better than Bouchard. It doesn't mean Desharnais is better than Bouchard.

Agree with the 2nd part. Nurse needs a D partner that can handle top 3 minutes and is steady defensively. Ekholm is just that.

Ceci can handle 2nd pairing minutes on his own. Bouchard can't yet and requires someone like Ekholm.
Its an important distinguishing factor in determining the value of a dman IMO especially when we are talking about elevated minutes.
Its all about predictability and having done a little coaching myself there is nothing more valuable than a player who is consistent and reliable.
Nurse is an unpredictable player who is making $9.25M.
To be able to say that about a 28 year old Dman who is in his prime is not a compliment.
 

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You're a special kind of wrong on here, and that's fine. I'm not sure why you've decided to be so miserable, but you don't have to try and make us that way, we have better things to do.
I object to the notion of paying Bouchard too much money. He's not worth 7-8 million on a contract. If that's the ask he has to be moved this offseason.
Breaking news. NHL defenseman doesn't play a 100% perfect game. Stay tuned for more ground breaking details...
It's the same bad plays over and over with Bouchard. Every defenceman needs to complete assignments or you don't win the tight games.

I'm not saying Bouchard is a bad player. I'm not saying Bouchard has no place on the team. I am saying you can't, under any circumstance pay this player 7-8 million on a contract.
 

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I object to the notion of paying Bouchard too much money. He's not worth 7-8 million on a contract. If that's the ask he has to be moved this offseason.

It's the same bad plays over and over with Bouchard. Every defenceman needs to complete assignments or you don't win the tight games.

I'm not saying Bouchard is a bad player. I'm not saying Bouchard has no place on the team. I am saying you can't, under any circumstance pay this player 7-8 million on a contract.

You literally have Bouchard hatred happening.

Carrier didn't blow thru him. He was taken out just inside the blueline but got a good pass thru.

What you're failing to mention, aside from acting like the goal was the only good thing he did... is you are conveniently and deliberately leaving out the almost a dozen times that game Bouchard took out a player before the blueline. He literally erased several plays by VGK to gain zone entry.

You know...facts and all
 

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You literally have Bouchard hatred happening.

Carrier didn't blow thru him. He was taken out just inside the blueline but got a good pass thru.

What you're failing to mention, aside from acting like the goal was the only good thing he did... is you are conveniently and deliberately leaving out the almost a dozen times that game Bouchard took out a player before the blueline. He literally erased several plays by VGK to gain zone entry.

You know...facts and all
wrong wrong wrong and wrong... bobby you're such a mischievous rascal
 

Trafalgar Sadge Law

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I object to the notion of paying Bouchard too much money. He's not worth 7-8 million on a contract. If that's the ask he has to be moved this offseason.

It's the same bad plays over and over with Bouchard. Every defenceman needs to complete assignments or you don't win the tight games.

I'm not saying Bouchard is a bad player. I'm not saying Bouchard has no place on the team. I am saying you can't, under any circumstance pay this player 7-8 million on a contract.
Just so we're clear. You're flaming the gameplay of a 22 year old defenseman who has 15 points in 10 playoff games.
 
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