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Evilo said:
I mean, I did laugh.
Who wouldn't want Tomori instead of Saliba or Pope instead of Maignan?
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But that’s about it isn’t it?

Maignan

James - Saliba - Stones - Chilwell

So it’s 3-2 for England. I mean even the backup fullbacks for England are better than the french starters. France way better depth at CB though.
 
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If we take another look at the rest i would take Camavinga/Tchouameni beside Bellingham and Rice in midfield and Mbappe upfront with Saka and Kane on a mixed team. So 7 from England and 4 from France. Not even a debate.
 
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And some jealous german who wishes his NT would even be comparable to those teams laughs. All good. Maybe Musiala and Gnabry could make it to the bench.
 
cgf said:
I said it was silly to pretend like England should be expected to win anything with their defense. Which it is.
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What you said was it's silly to expect anything when Maguire is a guaranteed starter. I responded saying that Maguire being guaranteed is a function of the shitty manager, the shittiness of whom was the point to which you were responding. I responded to literally verbatim what you said and the point you made.

I agree that England are not more talented, on paper, than France. That was evidently not what I was responding to. You refuted a post that was, essentially "it's Southgate's fault" with "how can one expect victory from a team where Maguire starts." That's not a refutation. That's "Southgate's fault."

Spring in Fialta said:
Lots of boasting for a national team that hasn't won jack shit and has consistently underperformed.
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Forgive them father, for they do the same with their mediocre club side
 
Wee Baby Seamus said:
What you said was it's silly to expect anything when Maguire is a guaranteed starter. I responded saying that Maguire being guaranteed is a function of the shitty manager, the shittiness of whom was the point to which you were responding. I responded to literally verbatim what you said and the point you made.

I agree that England are not more talented, on paper, than France. That was evidently not what I was responding to. You refuted a post that was, essentially "it's Southgate's fault" with "how can one expect victory from a team where Maguire starts." That's not a refutation. That's "Southgate's fault."


Forgive them father, for they do the same with their mediocre club side
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Fair enough, I guess I should've been clearer that Maguire being an auto starter isn't the only reason the idea of England being the most talented NT, is laughable. But I figured that was obvious and rushed to make my joke.

My comment was meant to be two pronged. Starting with England being expected to win is just setting them up for failure regardless of the coach...capped off with a 'Maguire is a poor man's Süle' joke.
 
Brunkmeister said:
And some jealous german who wishes his NT would even be comparable to those teams laughs. All good. Maybe Musiala and Gnabry could make it to the bench.
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Does telling yourself that others are jealous of the EPL make you feel better about how much money you waste on that shit show?

We're talking about England lol, this isn't the French NT. I'm jealous of them for their CBs, 6s, and Mbappe...and it's annoying that their youth teams are just as loaded.

But why would I care about England until they beat a top team in the knockouts? Is it because of the "rivalry" that the English think exists?
 
cgf said:
Fair enough, I guess I should've been clearer that Maguire being an auto starter isn't the only reason the idea of England being the most talented NT, is laughable. But I figured that was obvious and rushed to make my joke.

My comment was meant to be two pronged. Starting with England being expected to win is just setting them up for failure regardless of the coach...capped off with a 'Maguire is a poor man's Süle' joke.
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It just drives me bananas when people attempt to refute points with things that actually underscore the point!

I think it is true that, with a better manager, England would be in a spot where they should be expected to at least come close to winning things. I think this England side, on paper, is likely superior to the Belgium Golden Gen which is viewed as a disappointment and viewed as having been held back from poor management.

It bears additional mention that England gave France a helluva match in last year's WC, even with Southgate.

He is indisputably holding back a squad that should be contending for tournaments. I think it's hard to deny that, even if they are definitely not France tier.

More than anything beyond national team chauvinism, though, I think English academies deserve some serious credit for their shift over the past ten years. Long gone are the days of "we have 40 Jack Wilsheres at La Masia."
 
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It just drives me bananas when people attempt to refute points with things that actually underscore the point!

I think it is true that, with a better manager, England would be in a spot where they should be expected to at least come close to winning things. I think this England side, on paper, is likely superior to the Belgium Golden Gen which is viewed as a disappointment and viewed as having been held back from poor management.

It bears additional mention that England gave France a helluva match in last year's WC, even with Southgate.

He is indisputably holding back a squad that should be contending for tournaments. I think it's hard to deny that, even if they are definitely not France tier.

More than anything beyond national team chauvinism, though, I think English academies deserve some serious credit for their shift over the past ten years. Long gone are the days of "we have 40 Jack Wilsheres at La Masia."
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When they beat a top team in the knockout stages, they'll earn respect. If that never happens, then has anything really changed? I heard all about how loaded the Gerard, Lampard, Scholes generation was, and they never beat a contender either :dunno:

Granted I may just under-rate their potential defense since I don't watch the EPL, but it's hard to change the narrative when the narrative hasn't actually changed yet. Ya know? That failure may all be on Southgate, but it may also just be because they don't have great options.

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Not saying they aren't producing talented young players that could solve their issues moving forward, but having talent on the way isn't the same as having current solutions. I'm hyped as shit for Martel, but he's not solving the 6 for us next summer. Morgalla looks like he'll be perfect for the RB/CB role, but he needs another cycle or two.

Granted Tomori isn't that raw, and Colwill is more Thiaw/Schlotterbeck than Bella Kotchap or Morgalla in terms of polish, but it's not like they've got France's embarrassment of riches at the 6 & CB...as there's a difference between good options and great ones.

They could easily win the euros, but France is the only team that should have the weight of expectations. The rest of us all have shortcomings in our player pool.
 
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cgf said:
Does telling yourself that others are jealous of the EPL make you feel better about how much money you waste on that shit show?

We're talking about England lol, this isn't the French NT. I'm jealous of them for their CBs, 6s, and Mbappe...and it's annoying that their youth teams are just as loaded.

But why would I care about England until they beat a top team in the knockouts? Is it because of the "rivalry" that the English think exists?
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History: England 2-0 Germany | UEFA EURO 2020

England vs Germany 2019/20. All UEFA EURO match information including stats, goals, results, history, and more.
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Oh wait you said a top team. I will search further then.
 
gary69 said:
As of now, UEFA website lists Israel fixtures as follows:

15 Nov Israel - Switzerland

18 Nov Israel - Romania

21 Nov Andorra - Israel

No date yet Kosovo - Israel. Not sure if the countries can agree to play this match on Nov12 (Sunday) or Nov 13 (Monday). Maybe the move each the other matches above to a day later?
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Kosovo - Israel match has now been rescheduled to Sunday 12th November.

No info yet on venues for Israel's home matches.
 
Warren Zaire Emery, 17 years old, will be the youngest french player ever in the next NT call up according to various sources.

He's been one of the best midfielders in the game since the season started and is the second name on the starting lineup after Mbappe for PSG.
Good luck to Tchouameni and Camavinga to get a spot in France's midfield in the next 15 years.
 
Evilo said:
Warren Zaire Emery, 17 years old, will be the youngest french player ever in the next NT call up according to various sources.

He's been one of the best midfielders in the game since the season started and is the second name on the starting lineup after Mbappe for PSG.
Good luck to Tchouameni and Camavinga to get a spot in France's midfield in the next 15 years.
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Why not all three?
 
Glad WZE has been thriving with the jump to senior football, kid's always popped when we've faced him at the youth levels.

Will be interesting to see if his best use for your NT ends up as the freest of a midfield triangle, or as part of a double-pivot...because you do have some exciting 10s coming up too.
 
Savant said:
Why not all three?
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I'm thinking the current tac for many teams is to have some kind of 4-3-3 with an offensive midfielder and a FB that becomes a 4th midfielder. In that scheme, only two of Cama, Tchouameni and WZE will start.
 
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Glad WZE has been thriving with the jump to senior football, kid's always popped when we've faced him at the youth levels.

Will be interesting to see if his best use for your NT ends up as the freest of a midfield triangle, or as part of a double-pivot...because you do have some exciting 10s coming up too.
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I believe for now Griez will play the AM with two of Cama, Tchou and WZE behind him.
 
Evilo said:
I believe for now Griez will play the AM with two of Cama, Tchou and WZE behind him.
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For now. But Griez is almost my age, sooner or later there will be a decision to be made about pushing WZE into that freer role with Tchou & Cama around him, or bringing Doue/Cherki in to Griez's spot.

Evilo said:
I'm thinking the current tac for many teams is to have some kind of 4-3-3 with an offensive midfielder and a FB that becomes a 4th midfielder. In that scheme, only two of Cama, Tchouameni and WZE will start.
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You could play Cama as that more defensive FB who tucks into the midfield. That way you'd still have both him & Tchou shielding the defense, but could give WZE a freer role without Griez having to play even more pragmatically.

Or you greedy jerks could've just let us have Tchou, so we wouldn't be screwed if Martel doesn't grow into the German Biscuits...
 
cgf said:
For now. But Griez is almost my age, sooner or later there will be a decision to be made about pushing WZE into that freer role with Tchou & Cama around him, or bringing Doue/Cherki in to Griez's spot.


You could play Cama as that more defensive FB who tucks into the midfield. That way you'd still have both him & Tchou shielding the defense, but could give WZE a freer role without Griez having to play even more pragmatically.

Or you greedy jerks could've just let us have Tchou, so we wouldn't be screwed if Martel doesn't grow into the German Biscuits...
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Not with Theo...

Eye of Ra said:
or change system, play with 5 in the middle, to fit all of them in
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Won't happen
 
Evilo said:
Warren Zaire Emery, 17 years old, will be the youngest french player ever in the next NT call up according to various sources.

He's been one of the best midfielders in the game since the season started and is the second name on the starting lineup after Mbappe for PSG.
Good luck to Tchouameni and Camavinga to get a spot in France's midfield in the next 15 years.
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Confirmed. He is being calling up for the final 2 Euro qualifying matches.

His first game at home vs lowly Gibraltar. Maybe he gets his first goal??
 
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