Management Eugene Melnyk - Lawsuits, rants and more... Part 5 (YOUS)

[Gil Gunderson]

He’s suggested the ownership is at fault for another “alienated” player relationship. That’s a popular beat to drum around here.

Imagine if he came out and shamed the Ottawa fan base for their measly donations to the foundation. Or perhaps questioned the effectiveness of Weir/Phillips in their roll. He’d be Publicly Persecuted and as such he has conveniently ignored that side of the story.

Name me another sports organization that has had this much of a bad relationship with former players, or one that has had to cancel a charity.

Melnyk being the common denominator is not a hot take.

 

[Sweatred]

2. Invited by said person to discuss things and have a discussion on the issue

3. Nah, why would I want to do that. I’ll continue my schtick of being the a contrarian
.

I don’t believe Mendes offered anyone a open debate. Either way, posting here doesn’t require that type of validation. You don’t share your name, employer, face etc with every post.

Not every opinion against the norm is a contrarian view. Sometimes they are right even though 99% of people think them to be false.

Here is another example where your beliefs aligned with the popular views but two years later you would probably recognize they were misguided.

“Extremely good signing, pretty much spot on what I was hoping/expecting. Much better than a 2/3 year deal at 2.5-3 million.
This is extremely similar to the unbelievable Turris signing. Will be a bargain deal as soon as this year. 4.75 will be the going rate for #3C in a year or two.”

Give him a chance, debate what you want, but there is more to this story.

 

[supsens]

1. Call someone unprofessional and say he’s destroying journalism ethics

2. Invited by said person to discuss things and have a discussion on the issue

3. Nah, why would I want to do that. I’ll continue my schtick of being the a contrarian

4. Now apparently Mendes is harming the charity Can’t make this stuff up.

For someone that is acting like he understands journalism, you’re showing quite the lack of understanding.

No no no he did not say he would be discussing any facts he said he wants to share how media works

 

[BondraTime]

I don’t believe Mendes offered anyone a open debate. Either way, posting here doesn’t require that type of validation. You don’t share your name, employer, face etc with every post.

Not every opinion against the norm is a contrarian view. Sometimes they are right even though 99% of people fee them to be false.

Here is another ex some where your beliefs aligned with the popular views but two years later you would probably recognize they were misguided.

“Extremely good signing, pretty much spot on what I was hoping/expecting. Much better than a 2/3 year deal at 2.5-3 million.
This is extremely similar to the unbelievable Turris signing. Will be a bargain deal as soon as this year. 4.75 will be the going rate for #3C in a year or two.”

Give him a chance, debate what you want, but there is more to this story.

Again, not sure why you keep searching for year old takes from me. If you keep looking, you’ll find a lotttttttt more, being a message board and all. This has nothing to do with on ice stuff, so again, not seeing the relevance?

And yes, both he and you are contrarians.

 

[Sweatred]

Again, not sure why you keep searching for year old takes from me. If you keep looking, you’ll find a lotttttttt more.

And yes, both he and you are contrarians.

Im pointing out that your passionate views deserve some caution. You’re insulting someone when you could be considering alternatives to your instincts. Have your views, argue and debate what you want, but maybe tonne down the name calling. You like to call people contrarians because they oppose generally accepted views … but a lot of those views prove to be misguided with the benefit of time. Time proves that those many of those “opposing views” weren’t contrarian but actually correct.

 

[Sweatred]

No no no he did not say he would be discussing any facts he said he wants to share how media works

Ya - that’s what I thought. Not sure where posters are getting he’s offering some type of open house discussion or debate.

 

[BondraTime]

No no no he did not say he would be discussing any facts he said he wants to share how media works

More the better, may give you an idea of how journalism actually works

 

[supsens]

Name me another sports organization that has had this much of a bad relationship with former players, or one that has had to cancel a charity.

Melnyk being the common denominator is not a hot take.

Name another city that demands the owner of a sports team loses money
Or another city where the fans screem and Demand a new stadium and new downtown from a hockey team.

 

[BatherSeason]

Ya - that’s what I thought. Not sure where posters are getting he’s offering some type of open house discussion or debate.

Do you think he is just gonna scold you and not offer you an opportunity to explain your arguments? If you truly believe you are right, when not try to convince someone who covers the team?

 

[Sweatred]

Do you think he is just gonna scold you and not offer you an opportunity to explain your side?

No I think he’s going to share his view of how the media works (which is what he said he is going to do).

Mendes is welcome to report on Ottawa’s fan participation in the foundation or comment on the performance of Weir/Phillips in their rolls when ever he wants …

It took me 10 minutes to compare the 50/50 revenue (payouts) of the CdN teams. With his contacts and journalism skills I’m sure he could present a much better picture than me.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Name another city that demands the owner of a sports team loses money
Or another city where the fans screem and Demand a new stadium and new downtown from a hockey team.

First of all, I’m not exactly sure what this has to do with closing a charity and having a toxic relationship with former players. You seem to be trying to attack every other criticism of Melnyk when there's only one thing being asked.

Second of all, I’m sure a lot of teams would lose support if the team has proven to the fanbase that it won’t spend. Look no further than Chicago and what a terrible owner Bill Wirtz was. They had bottom of the league attendance even when they made the playoffs.

 

[supsens]

Do you think he is just gonna scold you and not offer you an opportunity to explain your side?

He is trying to get views he is not stupid enough to let random people steal his podium on his stage.
I explained why actual facts are needed he gave out zero facts and plugged his big show.
Its not hard to see what he is doing.

 

[BatherSeason]

No I think he’s going to share his view of how the media works (which is what he said he is going to do).

Mendes is welcome to report on Ottawa’s fan participation in the foundation or comment on the performance of Weir/Phillips in their rolls when ever he wants …

It took me 10 minutes to compare the 50/50 revenue (payouts) of the CdN teams. With his contacts and journalism skills I’m sure he could present a much better picture than me.

Amazing. You are basically calling him a liar, so he wants you to have an opportunity to explain why you feel Melnyk is being vilified, an opinion that you obviously feel very strongly about and you run and hide.

 

[BatherSeason]

I explained why actual facts are needed he gave out zero facts and plugged his big show

What big show? He isn't plugging anything.

 

[Sweatred]

Amazing. You are basically calling him a liar, so he wants you to have an opportunity to explain why you feel Melnyk is being vilified, an opinion that you obviously feel very strongly about and you run and hide.

I don’t think Mendes is a liar and I am absolutely not calling him a liar.

He hasn’t asked me to do anything. I think you are getting posts confused.

I think he has shied away from the Weir/Phillips revenue issue of this story.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Friendly reminder.
The Ottawa Senators closed their in house charity 5 months after they launched it.
5 MONTHS.

They were completely unprepared to bring this charity to life by properly funding it. Not only that they launched it during a pandemic, and shut it several months before the start of a new season where they can hold events.

Everything else here is contrarians blaming everyone but the the organization for its own incompetence.

 

[Sweatred]

Friendly reminder.
The Ottawa Senators closed their in house charity 5 months after they launched it.
5 MONTHS.

They were completely unprepared to bring this charity to life by properly funding it. Not only that they launched it during a pandemic, and shut it several months before the start of a new season where they can hold events.

Everything else here is contrarians blaming everyone but the the organization for its own incompetence.

Well they ran the same 50/50 draws that every other org used to raise millions of dollars I the same 5 months …those worked well for most teams including basketball etc .

 

[supsens]

What big show? He isn't plugging anything.

I'm pretty sure he is doing a zoom webinar podcast thing. Thats a show.
He is definitely not having a meeting with crazy anonymous fans

 

[BloodRedArmy]

Well they ran the same 50/50 draws that every other org used to raise millions of dollars I the same 5 months …those worked well for most teams including basketball etc .

UGH.
The SENS FOUNDATION was massively successful for many many many years. The 50/50 draws regularly drew in over 10 - and up to 20K.

THEN EM decided to do his thing and sever ties with them and start his own under very vague and arguably shady circumstances. He then started his own charity, which many people want nothing to do with, because he's a f***ing scumbag.

Like, it's so cut and dry I don't know how people can see it any other way?

 

[Dino Tkachuk]

Arena and north side stands rebuild being considered using public money. Watson really doesn’t like Melnyk.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-lansdowne-report-reaction-1.6081771

 

[Sweatred]

UGH.
The SENS FOUNDATION was massively successful for many many many years. The 50/50 draws regularly drew in over 10 - and up to 20K.

THEN EM decided to do his thing and sever ties with them and start his own under very vague and arguably shady circumstances. He then started his own charity, which many people want nothing to do with, because he's a f***ing scumbag.

Like, it's so cut and dry I don't know how people can see it any other way?

Come on … it’s ad add you see on TV or your phone and spend $5… you don’t need 10 years of confidence to risk that $5. Everyone knows where their $5 is going.

 

[Wondercarrot]

It’s unfortunate (as well as pathetic and sad) the org decided not to fun it’s own in house charity until it could gain the confidence of donors.
Relying on 10 or 15 50/50 ticket draws is humiliatingly embarrassing.

The Senators are?/should be working to regain the trust of the community in general and specifically with regards to charitable giving after their last charity relationship fell apart.
Yet they didn’t have a plan for 5 months?

They literally didn’t want to contribute anything to get it off the ground? Yikes. How does that build confidence?
Instead it’s another embarrassment for the team with egg on its face and another foundational player had left the org.

All while trying to sign Tkachuk to a longterm deal. Good work Sens!

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Well they ran the same 50/50 draws that every other org used to raise millions of dollars I the same 5 months …those worked well for most teams including basketball etc .

Let's blame everyone but the guy that has the power to make every decision in the organization. Sounds good.

Melnyk has never taken responsibility for anything, there's really no need to defend him.

 

[Sweatred]

Arena and north side stands rebuild being considered using public money. Watson really doesn’t like Melnyk.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-lansdowne-report-reaction-1.6081771

OSEG is losing $11 million a year pre Covid - no way they could afford to build a new stadium with their revenue.

 

[Sweatred]

Let's blame everyone but the guy that has the power to make every decision in the organization. Sounds good.

Melnyk has never taken responsibility for anything, there's really no need to defend him.

He hired Weir and Phillips who by all accounts are excellent choices - who else should we blame ? The owner put good people in charge … I assume they did a competent job .. The Ottawa fans didn’t buy.

OSEG is bleeding money too… who do you want to blame there ? All sports teams in Ottawa are struggling for support.