Toronto has reportedly offered him 8 while his camp has requested 10. He’ll probably settle somewhere around 9 but given hes 27 and coming off an 87pt season I don’t think 10 is totally unrealistic.Nylander is probably gonna want 11 at 8 years.
Toronto has reportedly offered him 8 while his camp has requested 10. He’ll probably settle somewhere around 9 but given hes 27 and coming off an 87pt season I don’t think 10 is totally unrealistic.Nylander is probably gonna want 11 at 8 years.
For Karlsson? Are you crazy, KAlrson hAS term and Matthews is just a rental!If it’s a 1 for 1 player deal it’s gonna take Matthews.
I mean he's basically said he deserves at least 10 or more, no? I'm just saying teams won't necessarily be lining up to drop 85-90 million on him so any team trading for him this deadline probably view him as a rental. That's all. Not a worst case scenario. Just a fact.Oh, is that what we are gonna do? Make up a worse case scenario and then pretend its a fact? Lol
Sorry that I dont feel Karlsson is as valuable as you do.
Wow. You've seen videos. Hell, I'm convinced.I understand there are lots of ways to play while on the ice. I'm not asking him to throw open ice hip checks or be a monster in clearing the crease. But you'll never convince me that he's actively engaged in neutralizing the opposition, as opposed to just waiting for his next chance to play offense.
There are literally videos of him watching opposing forwards skate past him, as though it would be too big an inconvenience for him to intervene.
If it’s a 1 for 1 player deal it’s gonna take Matthews. Karlsson is a game changer, Nylander is a luxury piece when on a good contract and he’s going to want a significant raise that he’s not worth.
If he plays out the year and the cap goes up 4 million or so next year he's gonna bump up his ask. That or some team out there will give him that on the open market when there's a bidding war.Toronto has reportedly offered him 8 while his camp has requested 10. He’ll probably settle somewhere around 9 but given hes 27 and coming off an 87pt season I don’t think 10 is totally unrealistic.
By that logic we should give him 10 without protection and trade him at the deadline.If he plays out the year and the cap goes up 4 million or so next year he's gonna bump up his ask. That or some team out there will give him that on the open market when there's a bidding war.
So its a fact, that asking for 10 means he gets 11 million. Just a fact. Thats how contracts are negotiated, you ask for something, counter offer comes in at a little less and you settle for more than either party wantedI mean he's basically said he deserves at least 10 or more, no? I'm just saying teams won't necessarily be lining up to drop 85-90 million on him so any team trading for him this deadline probably view him as a rental. That's all. Not a worst case scenario. Just a fact.
That’s what I mean. Karlsson is an unrealistic player for the leafs to obtain. I think the sharks are going to ask for a package of young picks and prospects.For Karlsson? Are you crazy, KAlrson hAS term and Matthews is just a rental!
Could probably put in a good offer of Makar + picks and prospects for him.That’s what I mean. Karlsson is an unrealistic player for the leafs to obtain. I think the sharks are going to ask for a package of young picks and prospects.
Do you not think he'll ask for more next year with a higher cap ceiling not to mention on the open market? He'll stay with the team he's on for 10 but you honestly don't think that number goes up next year, especially if he maintains a ppg pace?So its a fact, that asking for 10 means he gets 11 million. Just a fact. Thats how contracts are negotiated, you ask for something, counter offer comes in at a little less and you settle for more than either party wanted
Next youll be telling me about how hes gonna sign then turn around and request a trade, but only if the leafs retain 50% and only to one specific team who refuses to give up anything of value, haha! STUPID LEAFS GET FACTED
Ok if it’s Taylor Makar.Could probably put in a good offer of Makar + picks and prospects for him.
But you said nobody is willing to pay him that, so how could he possibly get more?Do you not think he'll ask for more next year with a higher cap ceiling not to mention on the open market? He'll stay with the team he's on for 10 but you honestly don't think that number goes up next year, especially if he maintains a ppg pace?
Probably should. good luck getting players to ever sign with you guys again though without a full NMC after that.By that logic we should give him 10 without protection and trade him at the deadline.
Because I said teams won't be lining up to pay him 85-90 million? He'll get a bid or two from a team needing star power, but the difference with EK is with Erik it's half the length, retention from the sharks and undoubtedly a cap dump so the reality is it's 3 years with erik at around 9.But you said nobody is willing to pay him that, so how could he possibly get more?
He's literally one of the best at taking the puck away and moving out of the defensive zone. Those are pretty big damn staples to defensive play that people like you conveniently ignore.I understand there are lots of ways to play while on the ice. I'm not asking him to throw open ice hip checks or be a monster in clearing the crease. But you'll never convince me that he's actively engaged in neutralizing the opposition, as opposed to just waiting for his next chance to play offense.
There are literally videos of him watching opposing forwards skate past him, as though it would be too big an inconvenience for him to intervene.
If it’s a 1 for 1 player deal it’s gonna take Matthews. Karlsson is a game changer, Nylander is a luxury piece when on a good contract and he’s going to want a significant raise that he’s not worth.
I don't think Toronto is a good fit for Karlsson, but comparing Klingberg to Karlsson is like comparing a Honda Civic to a McLaren#1. The Leafs signed Klingberg 4 Days Ago. If they had any interest in Erik Karlsson, that interest dies when they sign a player who brings very, very similar things. There is no room on Toronto's D for all of Rielly, Karlsson, and Klingberg.
#2. Rewind 5 days ago, and yes, there's a justification for doing this deal from Toronto's standpoint, but it would still require substantial retention from San Jose, and their ability to value Nylander may be limited given that he may or may not be willing to sign long term there.
Your definition of defense seems pretty limited. He is elite at puck retrieval, zone exits, pass breakups, outlet passing, etc. Those are all undeniable D skills. When you add in his puck possession numbers which many coaches see as an extension of defense because it denies the other team the puck, you do have a unicorn.I will never understand the infatuation with this guy. Be who you are and stop pretending to be a defenseman. Treat him like a 5th forward and evaluate him as such, but nobody should ever have paid him anywhere near $11.5M AAV because he's some sort of unicorn defenseman.
He. Never. Plays. Defense.
Half the items you listed are transition and not defense. Everybody does those things, some just do them better.Your definition of defense seems pretty limited. He is elite at puck retrieval, zone entries, pass breakups, outlet passing, etc. Those are all undeniable D skills. When you add in his puck possession numbers which many coaches see as an extension of defense because it denies the other team the puck, you do have a unicorn.
No you weren’t, dudeI was wondering when this proposal was going to get it's own thread.
I don't think Toronto is a good fit for Karlsson, but comparing Klingberg to Karlsson is like comparing a Honda Civic to a McLaren
As a Sharks fan I have to say no thanks.Can something like this be worked out?
Anaheim helping out for a draft pick?
No it wouldn'tThis would be a done deal 1 for 1 if the Sharks knew they could get Nylander to sign. I doubt he would sign though.
No it wouldn'tThis would be a done deal 1 for 1 if the Sharks knew they could get Nylander to sign. I doubt he would sign though.