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Speculation: Erik Karlsson on the move at the deadline?

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Ok, I'm in.

To CGY - Karlsson, 2025 1st

To PIT - Kuzmenko, 2025 2rd (Col)

Calgary take on full unabated salary 10M for two years

Pittsburgh takes on a reclamation project of sorts.

Greater risk to Calgary due to term.

Pittsburgh free up immediate cap space of 4.5M, 10M for next season if they don't resign Kuzmenko for cheap. Otherwise Kuzmenko is off the books at season's end.

Why would PIT do this?

Cost for them to get from out under cap wise is their first, partially offset by a second. Kuzmenko, despite his poor season, has talent coming out of the ying-yang. Maybe a new environment can unlock it and could probably be re-signed for less than his current cap hit.

Why would CGY do this?

Right hand skilled d-man even if poor defensively. They have the cap room to take on the full cap hit over the term of the contract. Gain a 1st round pick for their on-going re-build.

Too much? Not enough?
 
Nanuuk said:
Ok, I'm in.

To CGY - Karlsson, 2025 1st

To PIT - Kuzmenko, 2025 2rd (Col)

Calgary take on full unabated salary 10M for two years

Pittsburgh takes on a reclamation project of sorts.

Greater risk to Calgary due to term.

Pittsburgh free up immediate cap space of 4.5M, 10M for next season if the don't resign Kuzmenko for cheap.

Why would PIT do this?

Cost for them to get from out under cap wise is their first, partially offset by a second. Kuzmenko, despite his poor season, has talent coming out of the ying-yang. Maybe a new environment can unlock it and could probably be re-signed for less than his current cap hit.

Why would CGY do this?

Right hand skilled d-man even if poor defensively. They have the cap room to take on the full cap hit over the term of the contract. Gain a 1st round pick for their on-going re-build.

Too much? Not enough?
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Terrible suggestion. I don't even feel it necessary to go into more detail than that. Just a terrible idea.
 
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Nanuuk said:
Ok, I'm in.

To CGY - Karlsson, 2025 1st

To PIT - Kuzmenko, 2025 2rd (Col)

Calgary take on full unabated salary 10M for two years

Pittsburgh takes on a reclamation project of sorts.

Greater risk to Calgary due to term.

Pittsburgh free up immediate cap space of 4.5M, 10M for next season if the don't resign Kuzmenko for cheap.

Why would PIT do this?

Cost for them to get from out under cap wise is their first, partially offset by a second. Kuzmenko, despite his poor season, has talent coming out of the ying-yang. Maybe a new environment can unlock it and could probably be re-signed for less than his current cap hit.

Why would CGY do this?

Right hand skilled d-man even if poor defensively. They have the cap room to take on the full cap hit over the term of the contract. Gain a 1st round pick for their on-going re-build.

Too much? Not enough?
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no pitt isn't giving up assets to move him. They aren't trying to compete they are rebuilding and restocking assets

Sticksandsun said:
If Penguins would take back Rodrigues [2 yrs x $3 M] and D like Balinskis, I'd hope Zito maybe throws a 1st for him.
Add one of Florida's 4th/5th ranked prospects in as well.

2026 1st
Prospect of need? C? W? D?
Middle 6 W - Rodrigues, 2.5 yr x 3 M
#6/7 LD - Balinskis, 1.5 yr x 850k

For

Karlsson [3.15 million retained]
2025 3rd round pick [better of PIT or OTT pick]

Florida takes on 6.85 mil in cap
Pittsburgh takes on 7 mil in cap.

Forsling - Karlsson
Mikkola - Ekblad
Kulikov - Schmidt

Karlsson should be able to replicate some of Montours missing PP numbers or Ekblad can as well.
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This is pretty reasonable. I think this is something what they would be looking for. The pens would want center or defensive prospects. Their top prospects are goalies and wingers.
 
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Nanuuk said:
Ok, I'm in.

To CGY - Karlsson, 2025 1st

To PIT - Kuzmenko, 2025 2rd (Col)

Calgary take on full unabated salary 10M for two years

Pittsburgh takes on a reclamation project of sorts.

Greater risk to Calgary due to term.

Pittsburgh free up immediate cap space of 4.5M, 10M for next season if they don't resign Kuzmenko for cheap. Otherwise Kuzmenko is off the books at season's end.

Why would PIT do this?

Cost for them to get from out under cap wise is their first, partially offset by a second. Kuzmenko, despite his poor season, has talent coming out of the ying-yang. Maybe a new environment can unlock it and could probably be re-signed for less than his current cap hit.

Why would CGY do this?

Right hand skilled d-man even if poor defensively. They have the cap room to take on the full cap hit over the term of the contract. Gain a 1st round pick for their on-going re-build.

Too much? Not enough?
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I don't know why this proposal is being trashed.

Kuzmenko is an expiring contract. If a team offered to GIVE Pittsburgh a 1st for a 2nd to take on Karlsson without retention, Dubas would drive that 2nd round pick to the airport.

I find it very unlikely that a team would take on Karlsson's last 2 years without any retention or money going back to Calgary AND give up assets. (Kuzmenko is an expiring contract)
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
I don't know why this proposal is being trashed.

Kuzmenko is an expiring contract. If a team offered to GIVE Pittsburgh a 1st for a 2nd to take on Karlsson without retention, Dubas would drive that 2nd round pick to the airport.
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Because it does literally nothing for the Penguins and has them giving up a likely top-10 pick to get out of Karlsson's deal. It's monstrously stupid for the Penguins.

Trading down from 8 to 60 to get out of Karlsson's deal is genuinely one of the dumbest things this team can do.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Because it does literally nothing for the Penguins and has them giving up a likely top-10 pick to get out of Karlsson's deal. It's monstrously stupid for the Penguins.

Trading down from 8 to 60 to get out of Karlsson's deal is genuinely one of the dumbest things this team can do.
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You're right, I misread the pick as going to the other side in the trade.
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
You're right, I misread the pick as going to the other side in the trade.
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Yeah if it was Karlsson and a 2nd for a cap dump and a 1st with no retention, I think the Penguins would jump at that instantly. The issue with that proposal was that it had the Penguins giving up a likely top-10 1st to get out of his deal. It's a complete non-starter.

Karlsson at full salary is negative value, but not "give up a top-10 pick to move" negative value.
 
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Darren McCord said:
no pitt isn't giving up assets to move him. They aren't trying to compete they are rebuilding and restocking assets



This is pretty reasonable. I think this is something what they would be looking for. The pens would want center or defensive prospects. Their top prospects are goalies and wingers.
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Pittsburgh would have to retain a lot on EK. Might need 50% and then another club retaining too to get a valued return.
 
Nanuuk said:
Ok, I'm in.

To CGY - Karlsson, 2025 1st

To PIT - Kuzmenko, 2025 2rd (Col)

Calgary take on full unabated salary 10M for two years

Pittsburgh takes on a reclamation project of sorts.

Greater risk to Calgary due to term.

Pittsburgh free up immediate cap space of 4.5M, 10M for next season if they don't resign Kuzmenko for cheap. Otherwise Kuzmenko is off the books at season's end.

Why would PIT do this?

Cost for them to get from out under cap wise is their first, partially offset by a second. Kuzmenko, despite his poor season, has talent coming out of the ying-yang. Maybe a new environment can unlock it and could probably be re-signed for less than his current cap hit.

Why would CGY do this?

Right hand skilled d-man even if poor defensively. They have the cap room to take on the full cap hit over the term of the contract. Gain a 1st round pick for their on-going re-build.

Too much? Not enough?
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Why the hell do the Pens care about his cap hit? They don't. They're rebuilding now. The only reason to trade him is to get assets back, not give them up. Makes no sense at all. It's like suggesting San Jose trades Will Smith for JT Miller or something.
 
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Viqsi said:
Has Letang fallen off that badly? I admittedly haven't been paying attention to the Pens lately beyond occasionally glancing at the scoreboards and snickering.
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are you snickering at the fact that a team full of bozos has 3 rings during this run while the blue jackets have more coaches fired for improperly looking at players' cell phones than they have won playoff rounds?
 
oconnor9sean said:
He would improve Dallas' power play immensely & Esa Lindell would be a perfect partner to help mask his defensive deficiencies at 5v5.

Harley-Heiskanen
Lindell-Karlsson
Lyubushkin-Lundkvist
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Funny thing about that though. For all his undeniable ability, Karlsson isn't very good on the PP. He's better off QBing PP#2 with a bunch of deflection artists around the net waiting for feeds than on a flowing 5 man unit. It's bizarre but true.
 
Pens only have one retention slot and Pettersson is a hot commodity. I'd wager that Petts goes with retention at the deadline, and EK in the summer once the retention slots free up.
 
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Sticksandsun said:
If Penguins would take back Rodrigues [2 yrs x $3 M] and D like Balinskis, I'd hope Zito maybe throws a 1st for him.
Add one of Florida's 4th/5th ranked prospects in as well.

2026 1st
Prospect of need? C? W? D?
Middle 6 W - Rodrigues, 2.5 yr x 3 M
#6/7 LD - Balinskis, 1.5 yr x 850k

For

Karlsson [3.15 million retained]
2025 3rd round pick [better of PIT or OTT pick]

Florida takes on 6.85 mil in cap
Pittsburgh takes on 7 mil in cap.

Forsling - Karlsson
Mikkola - Ekblad
Kulikov - Schmidt

Karlsson should be able to replicate some of Montours missing PP numbers or Ekblad can as well.
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That seems reasonable.
 
Nanuuk said:
Ok, I'm in.

To CGY - Karlsson, 2025 1st

To PIT - Kuzmenko, 2025 2rd (Col)

Calgary take on full unabated salary 10M for two years

Pittsburgh takes on a reclamation project of sorts.

Greater risk to Calgary due to term.

Pittsburgh free up immediate cap space of 4.5M, 10M for next season if they don't resign Kuzmenko for cheap. Otherwise Kuzmenko is off the books at season's end.

Why would PIT do this?

Cost for them to get from out under cap wise is their first, partially offset by a second. Kuzmenko, despite his poor season, has talent coming out of the ying-yang. Maybe a new environment can unlock it and could probably be re-signed for less than his current cap hit.

Why would CGY do this?

Right hand skilled d-man even if poor defensively. They have the cap room to take on the full cap hit over the term of the contract. Gain a 1st round pick for their on-going re-build.

Too much? Not enough?
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the f***
 
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Nanuuk said:
Ok, I'm in.

To CGY - Karlsson, 2025 1st

To PIT - Kuzmenko, 2025 2rd (Col)

Calgary take on full unabated salary 10M for two years

Pittsburgh takes on a reclamation project of sorts.

Greater risk to Calgary due to term.

Pittsburgh free up immediate cap space of 4.5M, 10M for next season if they don't resign Kuzmenko for cheap. Otherwise Kuzmenko is off the books at season's end.

Why would PIT do this?

Cost for them to get from out under cap wise is their first, partially offset by a second. Kuzmenko, despite his poor season, has talent coming out of the ying-yang. Maybe a new environment can unlock it and could probably be re-signed for less than his current cap hit.

Why would CGY do this?

Right hand skilled d-man even if poor defensively. They have the cap room to take on the full cap hit over the term of the contract. Gain a 1st round pick for their on-going re-build.

Too much? Not enough?
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If you wanted to do Kuzy for EK straight up, I'd probably do it. Switch our 1st to a 2nd or 3rd, I'd probably do it.

But under no circumstances are the Pens trading their 25 or 26 1st. We're talking potentially top 5 picks here.

EK may not have top tier value but to suggest having to add a top 5 pick to get a cap dump and a late 2nd pack is highly insulting. Discuss destroying insulting.
 
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Karlsson has a full NMC, I assume he's on the move hypothetically cause it's not working in Pitt, but that's gonna seriously limit the market especially if Pitt isn't retaining.
 
I'm absolutely obsessed with Pens fans who think the Karlsson trade was great for them. I feel confident that every single team in the NHL would take Sam Dickinson, Mikael Granlund, and Jan Rutta over Erik Karlsson.
 
I want Kuzy on the Pens to play with Geno. Karlsson is the opposite of a Huska player though. And the last thing the Flames need is another RS defenseman.
 
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