Speculation: Erik Karlsson on the move at the deadline?

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...Bobrovsky makes $10 mill...just won a Cup...I could go on, but that one player from Last Year's Cup Winner makes the point enough... :thumbu:
Bob is already on a contender. Karlsson is going around from bottom feeders to bottom feeders mainly because of his contract

No one can afford him at $10 million, numerous teams could afford him at $5 million with the Penguins retaining.

It's more of a question about fit and who Karlsson would waive for than his contract. The Penguins will have to retain money to make it stomachable if they're going to trade him.



Oh no, I'm having a discussion about Erik Karlsson in a thread about Erik Karlsson!

Like dude what are you even doing here :laugh:
I can't think of a contender that can or want to fit Karlsson even at 5M
 
He would improve Dallas' power play immensely & Esa Lindell would be a perfect partner to help mask his defensive deficiencies at 5v5.

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No he wouldn't Karlsson is horrible PP player and responsible of worst pp in the league last season. Dude can't even make a backhand pass. Penguins best PP QB is Grielzyk
 
Bob is already on a contender. Karlsson is going around from bottom feeders to bottom feeders mainly because of his contract


I can't think of a contender that can or want to fit Karlsson even at 5M

...amigo, just stop...when Bob signed that huge ticket in Florida, they had made the Playoffs once in 7 years...and everyone lost their minds and said Florida would never win with a goalie making that much...and they won...
 
...amigo, just stop...when Bob signed that huge ticket in Florida, they had made the Playoffs once in 7 years...and everyone lost their minds and said Florida would never win with a goalie making that much...and they won...
Bob made the playoffs with Columbus and Florida every year since 2017. Karlsson has not made the playoffs ever since he signed that deal in 2019
 
Bob is already on a contender. Karlsson is going around from bottom feeders to bottom feeders mainly because of his contract


I can't think of a contender that can or want to fit Karlsson even at 5M
This is the problem. No contender wants EK at 5 million and he can't be retained past that number. Rock and a hard place for Pitt here.
 
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The Sharks got a very soft return for him after a Norris winning season, that was with retention and facilitating Pittsburgh dumping multiple negative-value contracts. (Yes, the pick ended up being fantastic - but at the time it was projected to be in the 20s and San Jose had to give up a pick projected to be in the 60s to get it.)

I doubt there would be a market for him at the deadline, unless there are serious cap considerations. At that point, Pittsburgh maybe gets a few B and C pieces, with the primary asset being whatever cap they clear.

They might get lucky in the summer with the cap potentially going up near 100 million. If a team strikes out on some RHD, and Pittsburgh is willing to retain 25-50 percent, it might make sense to take him.

You have to keep in mind that he is 35 in may and has an extensive injury history. If he only had 1 year left after this one, he is a lot easier to move. Teams are going to be very reticent about taking on a contract that will have that second year remaining, is completely buyout proof and also has a NMC. Add in the fact that they have to give up assets to Pittsburgh, and Karlsson has to agree to waive. It could make a trade very complicated.

Karlsson also probably figured out by now that the grass always isn't greener. He went to San Jose and they ended up in a rebuild. He want to Pittsburgh and they ended up in a rebuild. So long as Crosby is around, there is always a chance for Pittsburgh to sneak into the playoffs. They were supposed to be rebuilding right now and they were still in it up until last week (and they could still bounce back). Accepting a trade to another team that isn't a legit top 3-5 team in the league doesn't guarantee him anything in terms of playoffs, and he has to go through the hassle of moving again when he is probably 2 years away from retirement.

Montreal makes the most sense to me. They aren't a contender, but they are a 2 hour drive or 30 minute flight away from Ottawa, which is Karlsson's adopted hometown still. So it is logical to assume Karlsson might waive to go there. They have a few bad contracts with term like Josh Anderson that Pittsburgh could take to offset the cap hit of Karlsson. They also have a history buying low on bad contracts of skilled players (Monahan, Laine). Josh Anderson for Karlsson with some retention would be what I would expect. Then Pittsburgh can buyout Anderson in the offseason (Karlsson is buyout proof). Effectively, they would get out of a large chunk of the Karlsson contract.

With Alfredsson being on Ottawa's coaching staff, and Ottawa recently striking out on Klingberg, it obviously makes me wonder if they would try to get Karlsson back. With the team rallying, I think it would be a risky move. Karlsson only existed in Ottawa as the face of the franchise. Coming back to a team with a new core and completely different norms than when it was his team might be disruptive for everybody. A trade to the Senators would be difficult, because unless they do Norris for Karlsson (with retention), Pittsburgh likely has to retain close to half while also taking Perron and/or Amadio.

I don't think Pittsburgh gets much back for him, but at the end of the day, cap space is an asset and owners dont like spending significant money on players during rebuilds. If it comes down to dumping 50-75 percent of Karlsson's money but getting very little back in the way of picks or prospects, I could see them still doing it. They aren't going to get value by keeping him around if they are intent on tearing down the team.
 
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Montreal makes the most sense to me. They aren't a contender, but they are a 2 hour drive or 30 minute flight away from Ottawa, which is Karlsson's adopted hometown still. So it is logical to assume Karlsson might waive to go there. They have a few bad contracts with term like Josh Anderson that Pittsburgh could take to offset the cap hit of Karlsson. They also have a history buying low on bad contracts of skilled players (Monahan, Laine). Josh Anderson for Karlsson with some retention would be what I would expect. Then Pittsburgh can buyout Anderson in the offseason (Karlsson is buyout proof). Effectively, they would get out of a large chunk of the Karlsson contract.

...no thanks from this Habs fan...we already have offensive D who need to learn how to defend...thanks for thinking of us, though... :thumbu:
 
The Sharks got a very soft return for him after a Norris winning season, that was with retention and facilitating Pittsburgh dumping multiple negative-value contracts. (Yes, the pick ended up being fantastic - but at the time it was projected to be in the 20s and San Jose had to give up a pick projected to be in the 60s to get it.)

I doubt there would be a market for him at the deadline, unless there are serious cap considerations. At that point, Pittsburgh maybe gets a few B and C pieces, with the primary asset being whatever cap they clear.

They might get lucky in the summer with the cap potentially going up near 100 million. If a team strikes out on some RHD, and Pittsburgh is willing to retain 25-50 percent, it might make sense to take him.

You have to keep in mind that he is 35 in may and has an extensive injury history. If he only had 1 year left after this one, he is a lot easier to move. Teams are going to be very reticent about taking on a contract that will have that second year remaining, is completely buyout proof and also has a NMC. Add in the fact that they have to give up assets to Pittsburgh, and Karlsson has to agree to waive. It could make a trade very complicated.

Karlsson also probably figured out by now that the grass always isn't greener. He went to San Jose and they ended up in a rebuild. He want to Pittsburgh and they ended up in a rebuild. So long as Crosby is around, there is always a chance for Pittsburgh to sneak into the playoffs. They were supposed to be rebuilding right now and they were still in it up until last week (and they could still bounce back). Accepting a trade to another team that isn't a legit top 3-5 team in the league doesn't guarantee him anything in terms of playoffs, and he has to go through the hassle of moving again when he is probably 2 years away from retirement.

Montreal makes the most sense to me. They aren't a contender, but they are a 2 hour drive or 30 minute flight away from Ottawa, which is Karlsson's adopted hometown still. So it is logical to assume Karlsson might waive to go there. They have a few bad contracts with term like Josh Anderson that Pittsburgh could take to offset the cap hit of Karlsson. They also have a history buying low on bad contracts of skilled players (Monahan, Laine). Josh Anderson for Karlsson with some retention would be what I would expect. Then Pittsburgh can buyout Anderson in the offseason (Karlsson is buyout proof). Effectively, they would get out of a large chunk of the Karlsson contract.

With Alfredsson being on Ottawa's coaching staff, and Ottawa recently striking out on Klingberg, it obviously makes me wonder if they would try to get Karlsson back. With the team rallying, I think it would be a risky move. Karlsson only existed in Ottawa as the face of the franchise. Coming back to a team with a new core and completely different norms than when it was his team might be disruptive for everybody. A trade to the Senators would be difficult, because unless they do Norris for Karlsson (with retention), Pittsburgh likely has to retain close to half while also taking Perron and/or Amadio.

I don't think Pittsburgh gets much back for him, but at the end of the day, cap space is an asset and owners dont like spending significant money on players during rebuilds. If it comes down to dumping 50-75 percent of Karlsson's money but getting very little back in the way of picks or prospects, I could see them still doing it. They aren't going to get value by keeping him around if they are intent on tearing down the team.
Montreal makes zero sense

We already have Hutson who is significantly better
 
The Sharks got a very soft return for him after a Norris winning season, that was with retention and facilitating Pittsburgh dumping multiple negative-value contracts. (Yes, the pick ended up being fantastic - but at the time it was projected to be in the 20s and San Jose had to give up a pick projected to be in the 60s to get it.)

I doubt there would be a market for him at the deadline, unless there are serious cap considerations. At that point, Pittsburgh maybe gets a few B and C pieces, with the primary asset being whatever cap they clear.
San Jose didn't retain that much on the contract.

The Pens almost certainly would have to retain a lot on the deal to get him moved, but I think if they did, he'd definitely be a movable asset that could return decent value.

I do agree that any EK trade is unlikely to happen mid season. Seems too complicated with the retention to make that work. Probably an off season move if it happens.
 
It’s hilarious seeing people say he wouldn’t want to leave Pittsburgh if another deal was in place.

Like the Penguins future is something to want to stay around for. Some guys here just don’t think very well on their own.
 
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...no thanks from this Habs fan...we already have offensive D who need to learn how to defend...thanks for thinking of us, though... :thumbu:

Trust me, no Sens fan wants to see him on Montreal or Toronto. Pittsburgh was bad enough.

I just think that he might waive to go there because of the proximity to Ottawa, and Montreal has bad contracts to make it work.
 
San Jose didn't retain that much on the contract.

The Pens almost certainly would have to retain a lot on the deal to get him moved, but I think if they did, he'd definitely be a movable asset that could return decent value.

I do agree that any EK trade is unlikely to happen mid season. Seems too complicated with the retention to make that work. Probably an off season move if it happens.

They did not retain a lot but Pittsburgh dumped a significant amount of cap that was likely unmoveable in a separate deal. For example, the Canadiens had to retain half of Petry to flip him to Detroit.

Some of those pieces like Granlund have bounced back, and the cap situation league wide is different than it was a few years ago - but at the time those contracts were not moveable. That's why San Jose got away with retaining only 1.5M.
 
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I could see Karlsson at $6 million to Dallas for Dumba and a 2025 1st being a doable deal, but I'm pretty skeptical the Penguins would get better than that. Retaining $4 million and getting a late 1st and a cap dump back for Karlsson seems to be about the best case scenario for an Karlsson trade at this point IMO.
If that's the ask, I do it from Stars side.
 
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I don't think Pittsburgh gets much back for him, but at the end of the day, cap space is an asset and owners dont like spending significant money on players during rebuilds. If it comes down to dumping 50-75 percent of Karlsson's money but getting very little back in the way of picks or prospects, I could see them still doing it. They aren't going to get value by keeping him around if they are intent on tearing down the team.

Karlsson is owed less money than his cap hit for the last 2 years of his deal, so if anything it makes more sense doe the Penguins to keep him based on money. They have to hit the cap floor somehow and paying Karlsson a $10 million AAV but only $7.5 million salary is a net benefit for that.

There’s no purpose for the Penguins to trade Karlsson just to trade him. If they can’t get any value by trading him now, they’d just keep him and try trading him again when he’s a rental. I don’t think they’re get an insane return for him, but something like Karlsson at $6 million to Dallas for Dumba and a late 1st seems totally reasonable.
 
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Has Letang fallen off that badly? I admittedly haven't been paying attention to the Pens lately beyond occasionally glancing at the scoreboards and snickering.
He is exceedingly good at slashing and hacking after the whistles if that's what you're after
 
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...and...??...your original point is still ridiculously flawed and you've provided no backing of it...time to just walk away, amigo... :thumbu:
No backing? There are far more star players that do not win the cup than star players that do. And if winning was their main priority they would have taken a discount. And if they never win the cup, they only got themselves to blame.
Here are examples:
McDavid
Draisaitl
Karlsson
Pettersson
Matthews
Marner
etc

Bobrovsky at 10M goalie is more of an outlier
 
the islanders should grab him.

Other post mentioning Barzal maybe not thrilled with crowd sizes and then other post mentioning that Dobson is injured.

Ek is spectacle and helps fill seats, absolutely doesn’t fit the islanders stereotype which maybe would be good for them for a few seasons.
 

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