CanadienShark
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Ugh dude give it up. You're tripling down on a stupid take.
Value of: Erik Karlsson at the draft.
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CanadienShark
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Still just you.That's ok since both of those franchises can't win a Cup. But the Blues did
But seriously, everyone here is speaking of him as if he's the messiah and he's never led a team to the Cup or even the Finals. For all the years he's played, he's made the Conference Finals twice and both times he's gotten or been injured?
That's a guy a team should take on an 11.5M x 4 contract and surrender prime assets or players for?
There are many players making that amount who don't get their teams that far in the playoffs, but their regular seasons are insane stat-wise*. You don't invest that kind of money unless you're aiming for the Cup. The Sharks didn't sign him to that amount so they could trade him for prime assets, they signed him to stay in SJ and now they want teams to take on the contract and hand over prime assets because the contract is a boat anchor and the Sharks can't do a proper rebuild partly because of it?
Who's trolling here?
* I'd be curious whose making 11m+ a year and taken their team to the Cup under that contract. Hell, Ovi's only making 9.5m,
tiburon12
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A few other relevant questions:
1) Will his value change if he wins the Norris and is 1st-team AS? What if gets a reasonable number of 1st place votes in the Lindsey?
2) Which teams out there need a #1 RD and are in win-now mode?
3) Do the Sharks take any "good" offer or do they flex that they don't really need to move him and start the bidding (if there is any)?
1) Will his value change if he wins the Norris and is 1st-team AS? What if gets a reasonable number of 1st place votes in the Lindsey?
2) Which teams out there need a #1 RD and are in win-now mode?
3) Do the Sharks take any "good" offer or do they flex that they don't really need to move him and start the bidding (if there is any)?
Le Rosbeef
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I maintain that NY Islanders would be a perfect fit, especially as San Jose is in a spot to take back salary (Josh Bailey?) to accommodate. Elite goalie, two top line centres locked in. What am I missing?
I know alot of people will not like this, but crazy thought:
To Tampa: EK + good draft pick/prospect
To Sharks: Sergachev
Just based on the assumption that Sergachevs prime will be during Tampas rock bottom years.
To Tampa: EK + good draft pick/prospect
To Sharks: Sergachev
Just based on the assumption that Sergachevs prime will be during Tampas rock bottom years.
lanceuppercut75
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Tampa gets older and adds several million in cap that they cannot afford in order to upgrade their top 3 D for a few years, but making it even harder to keep their team together or afford a 4th Dman of any consequence. No sir, I don't like it.
lanceuppercut75
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Florida (but they don't need a right handed scoring #1D when they have Mountour for scoring and Montour and Ekblad for top 4 RHD)
Toronto (but they don't need a scoring powerplay #1D, they need somebody who can penalty kill and keep the puck out of the net. They have Morgan Rielly for scoring)
Dallas (they need a top 4 scoring RHD, preferably top pairing, but Benn and Seguin have NMCs and they won't have the cap space probably, even if Suter or Lindell are going the other way)
Seattle (they would prefer a defense-first / PKer #1D since they have Dunn, but I suppose Oleksiak Karlsson and then Dunn Larsson could work well as a top 4)
Vancouver (see: Toronto, replace Morgan Rielly with Quinn Hughes, also probably won't be able to make the cap work unless it's a huge trade with many pieces)
lanceuppercut75
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They have Dobson are RHD who they won't trade, and then Pulock. Not sure the Islanders want to get older and more expensive with Erik Karlsson when they're reasonably happy with Pulock. They have some cap issues so I'm not even sure it would work. And if it works, it just makes less room for them to improve the rest of their roster, when Pulock was already doing a reasonably good job.
I don't really think Erik Karlsson fills a need. Islanders most ideal roster improvement in theory would probably be adding a 1st line forward or upgrading Romanov to an absolutely stud top pairing LHD. If they were trying to add a superstar player, those would make more sense to me than a RHD, which is arguably their strongest position or one of their strongest.
lanceuppercut75
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At this stage in the game, they're trying to get the best roster to give them the best shot at winning the cup. For almost any other type of team, a 1st rounder is extremely appealing, but for a win-now contender, they probably wouldn't want to mess up their cap structure and make it harder to add depth pieces to upgrade their top 3 D, which don't really need upgrading. Keeping the cap structure intact is probably a priority for them over acquiring a 1st round pick. Winning meaning everything and picks mean nothing once you're one of the top contenders.
True, but a 1st can also be used to acquire a depth-player from another team, even with cap retention.
Le Rosbeef
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Dobson is clearly looking good and I get that they wouldn't want to trade him. If they are going to win, they need him.
But I look at that Power Play (ranked 29th in the NHL this year) and wonder whether 'reasonably happy' should be enough if Karlsson is on the table?
So, is Pulock the deal breaker? He had 6 PP points this year. I'll freely admit I don't see enough of him to form any meaningful judgement of his offensive capability, but it strikes me that EK would be a gargantuan upgrade there, as well as driving offense at even strength. Another 1st line winger would be a great asset, but Karlsson has been otherworldly at chance creation this season.
Besides, if you need to make $ wise, you can. Chuck in Bailey, Sharks retain so that EK is on the books at between 8-8.5m per and then find the compensation.
Gecklund
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Let's see him keep this up for another season before anyone decides to sell the farm.
Roman Josi had a career year last season before falling back to his normal self this year.
Roman Josi had a career year last season before falling back to his normal self this year.
Roman had a good year but his totals were hampered by the fact the rest of the team weren’t as good as they were the year before (Duchene dropped from 86 to 56, FF from 84 to 42 etc). EK played with undoubtedly the worst collection of forwards in the NHL.
If I could have you as a pet I would. Adorable.As dorky as say, posting on a hockey forum?. We're all fans, you got to go through the steps and admit it too
As adorable as those who want a team to take the contract -and- give out max picks/prospects/roster players.
It's not going to happen.
If EK does get moved, fans will be heavily upset with the return and retention. Because if he's moved, there will be heavy retention. There has to be.
jackjohnson
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Sure in terms of offense but when it comes to actual defending I could name 100 Dmen right now that is better than him
Grinner
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No one on this board seems to want to hear that. They equate his massive number of points to being an elite tier Dman and the stars simply don’t correlate. He’s definitely a top -offensive- Dman but that’s really all he is.
Matty Sundin
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He’s in a weird spot. Karlsson was seriously one of the worst contract in the league one year ago.
Despite his comeback, his age, contract, injury history still makes it a gamble. Some teams might not be willing to give up what the sharks want and sharks probably want more and not to retain too much on his salary. I would not wanna be the gm in these talks.
Despite his comeback, his age, contract, injury history still makes it a gamble. Some teams might not be willing to give up what the sharks want and sharks probably want more and not to retain too much on his salary. I would not wanna be the gm in these talks.
Painful Quandary
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When it comes to Karlsson and playing defense, a story by Dave Tippett about defensemen is rather revealing.
"Further into the article Tippett's hockey thoughts start coming out. He talks about an unnamed defenseman from his days in Juniors. This paragraph really sticks out when you look at it closely, and in the context of how the current Stars roster is constructed:
"We had a player that was supposed to be a great, shut-down defenseman. He was supposedly the be-all, end-all of defensemen. But when you did a 10-game analysis of him, you found out he was defending all the time because he can’t move the puck.
"Then we had another guy, who supposedly couldn’t defend a lick. Well, he was defending only 20 percent of the time because he’s making good plays out of our end. He may not be the strongest defender, but he’s only doing it 20 percent of the time. So the equation works out better the other way. I ended up trading the other defenseman."
Tippett is describing the impact of offensive zone possession time on the results that occur when a given player is on the ice. Player A can be a good defender, but if he is constantly defending instead of carrying the attack away from his net he is endangering the results of the team as a whole. Another implication of his statements is the value of defensemen with the ability to move the puck effectively."
www.defendingbigd.com
Somehow people only view playing defense as hits and blocked shots. If that was true, Dan Girardi would still be in the league. Karlsson plays defense by moving the puck out of the d-zone and creating offense. He not a physical player, which is why he is paired with those types of defensemen, like Marc Methot.
"Further into the article Tippett's hockey thoughts start coming out. He talks about an unnamed defenseman from his days in Juniors. This paragraph really sticks out when you look at it closely, and in the context of how the current Stars roster is constructed:
"We had a player that was supposed to be a great, shut-down defenseman. He was supposedly the be-all, end-all of defensemen. But when you did a 10-game analysis of him, you found out he was defending all the time because he can’t move the puck.
"Then we had another guy, who supposedly couldn’t defend a lick. Well, he was defending only 20 percent of the time because he’s making good plays out of our end. He may not be the strongest defender, but he’s only doing it 20 percent of the time. So the equation works out better the other way. I ended up trading the other defenseman."
Tippett is describing the impact of offensive zone possession time on the results that occur when a given player is on the ice. Player A can be a good defender, but if he is constantly defending instead of carrying the attack away from his net he is endangering the results of the team as a whole. Another implication of his statements is the value of defensemen with the ability to move the puck effectively."
Dave Tippett And Thinking About Defense Differently
Dave Tippett was fired by new General Manager Joe Nieuwendyk after missing the playoffs the year after the Stars lost to Detroit in the Western Conference Finals during the circus-like front office…
www.defendingbigd.com
Somehow people only view playing defense as hits and blocked shots. If that was true, Dan Girardi would still be in the league. Karlsson plays defense by moving the puck out of the d-zone and creating offense. He not a physical player, which is why he is paired with those types of defensemen, like Marc Methot.
